- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a featured article nomination that was successful. Please do not modify it.
Chara
- Nominated by: —MJ— Holocomm 03:23, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: Existing GA by Jonjedigrandmaster. For WP:NOVELS/WP:LE.
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IFYLOFD (Floyd's crib) 23:46, March 24, 2013 (UTC)- Sir Cavalier of One
(Squadron channel) 10:06, May 1, 2013 (UTC) 
CC7567 (talk) 23:55, May 19, 2013 (UTC)- Cade Calrayn 00:12, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:39, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
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Infobox needs reloading. At least the "mass" field is missing.- Done.
No article for the duel between Ben and Paan?- I don't feel it deserves one. Duel articles IMO should be limited to mortal combat between clear enemies. Ben and Paan aren't enemies, and neither would truly injure the other for something as relatively minor as access to the Baran Do. It's merely a test and thus more akin to a glorified training duel.
- Then, at the very least, as it is described as "a tradition between rival Force schools", is the actual tradition article-worthy?
- I would lean toward no simply because I don't think we have enough information to make an article worthwhile. However, while taking another look at the book to check on this, I discovered a factual error, which has now been corrected. :) —MJ— Jedi Council Chambers 00:40, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
- Then, at the very least, as it is described as "a tradition between rival Force schools", is the actual tradition article-worthy?
- I don't feel it deserves one. Duel articles IMO should be limited to mortal combat between clear enemies. Ben and Paan aren't enemies, and neither would truly injure the other for something as relatively minor as access to the Baran Do. It's merely a test and thus more akin to a glorified training duel.
Chronologically speaking, shouldn't: The Skywalkers inferred that Ziil, whom they had been told had previously "accepted death," be inserted into the article before its current mention? They came looking for Ziil, and no mention of his fate was mentioned until this moment.- Now mentioned in the correct chronological place.
Who is Burra? He/she is just dropped into the end of the narrative.- Contextified. Burra isn't at all relevant to Saal's story until there at the end, so I can't really mention him earlier.
I feel like one of the Skywalker's - preferably Luke as the Grand Master and elder of the two - should be refered to by his surname throughout, with the other going by their given name.- Sir Cavalier of One(Squadron channel) 22:04, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
- I personally disagree. Neither is the subject of the article and both are used with roughly equal frequency, and so saying "Skywalker" is ambiguous and potentially confusing to the reader even if used consistently. Additionally, "Skywalkers" in the plural is used repeatedly for both, and so a reader might have difficulty separating the singular from the plural on a quick scan of the article if the surname is used in the singular as well.
After reading Burra's article, I see no reference to Ziil's lies to the surface on the Skywalker's deaths and the cutting off of their oxygen canister supply, nor to the explosives in the cavern, etc. If these things are relevant enough to Burra's article, surely they are relevant to Saal's as well?- Sir Cavalier of One(Squadron channel) 22:12, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
- Mentioned the explosives, though with less detail as they're less relevant to Saal than to Burra (as Burra is the one to reveal the alternative exit). After consideration, I'm not going to mention the lies about the Skywalkers' deaths because it's simply not relevant to Saal at all. It's relevant to Burra only because Burra directly protests against killing the Skywalkers, but once Ziil says he's going to kill the Skywalkers, Saal doesn't participate in the story again until after the Zill/Luke fight, so it would be mere fluff here. —MJ— Comlink 00:42, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
Okay - big one; if Charsae Saal took the name Chara as his new identity, then should the article be moved to Chara to reflect this?- Sir Cavalier of One(Squadron channel) 10:22, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
- This is tricky; yes, he changed his name to Chara, but it's somewhat unclear as to whether he changed it back after the Hidden Ones returned to the surface. Back on the surface, Luke says this, which could mean one of two things: either A) Saal changed his name back, or B) Luke's just continuing with his practice of referring to Hidden Ones by their living names when he knows them. I would lean toward it being a combination of the two, as it seems unlikely that he would retain his death name when returning to life; rather, it would make sense to return to the name people on the surface knew you by. So while it's unclear whether it was changed back, common sense says that he would. What do you think? —MJ— Jedi Council Chambers 00:40, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
- I would lean towards renaming the article. We know he changed his name, but not whether he changed it back. In light of that information, I would tend to think we go with the certainty over the possible. - Sir Cavalier of One(Squadron channel) 14:52, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
- I hope this is done. The first time I tried to move it, Wikia's servers gave me a "technical difficulties" notice, and I then discovered that it had moved the article without moving the talk page, placing the new title on my watchlist, or even creating an entry in the move log or a redirect at the old title. I think I got all of that fixed, but let me know if I missed something. —MJ— Council Chambers 20:40, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
- I would lean towards renaming the article. We know he changed his name, but not whether he changed it back. In light of that information, I would tend to think we go with the certainty over the possible. - Sir Cavalier of One
- This is tricky; yes, he changed his name to Chara, but it's somewhat unclear as to whether he changed it back after the Hidden Ones returned to the surface. Back on the surface, Luke says this, which could mean one of two things: either A) Saal changed his name back, or B) Luke's just continuing with his practice of referring to Hidden Ones by their living names when he knows them. I would lean toward it being a combination of the two, as it seems unlikely that he would retain his death name when returning to life; rather, it would make sense to return to the name people on the surface knew you by. So while it's unclear whether it was changed back, common sense says that he would. What do you think? —MJ— Jedi Council Chambers 00:40, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
Attack of the Clone
There seems to be some inconsistency with the capitalization of "sages" or "sage" throughout the article. Could you clarify this? Even if the source is inconsistent, the article should still reflect the most-used or prevalent capitalization.CC7567 (talk) 19:01, May 14, 2013 (UTC)- The book consistently capitalizes "Sages" when used in the phrase "Baran Do Sages" and puts it in lowercase when used by itself. The article should now reflect this, unless I've missed something. The book never uses the phrase "Baran Do Sage" in the singular, but I've chosen to treat it the same as "Baran Do Sages" in that it seems to be the formal title (hence why it would be capitalized and "sage(s)" by itself isn't). —MJ— Comlink 00:30, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
- Addendum: the choice to capitalize the singular "Baran Do Sage" is supported by the Jedi Academy Training Manual, which uses the singular form frequently in its two-page spread on the organization. —MJ— Council Chambers 01:17, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
As with Burra, I would request that an image (or perhaps more, if you feel inclined) be added to the article, if there's a relevant one that can be added.CC7567 (talk) 04:56, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
Comments
Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 19:39, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
I'm glad I chose to read the book again before nominating these articles. The amount of basic errors, misinformation, and missing information in these articles is astounding. This one took me over two hours of work to clean it up to the point where I was comfortable nominating it. —MJ— Holocomm 03:23, March 24, 2013 (UTC)