Wookieepedia:Comprehensive article nominations/Unidentified Rodian 1 (Docking Bay 94)

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Unidentified Rodian 1 (Docking Bay 94)

Nominated by: Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 16:15, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
Nomination comments:Thought it was about time I did a nom from the movies.

(2 ECs/1 Users/3 Total)

Support

Assuming others are satisfied with their objections. Hanzo Hasashi 15:32, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
Menkooroo 07:29, September 23, 2011 (UTC)
Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 01:40, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Object

Imperators II
- ~~The date can't be sourced to the movie. The same with your other movie noms.~~ Imperators II^(Talk) 12:33, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
  - I don't see why not, the Battle of Yavin happens right after all this, so this would be the "0" point. Unless you would rather have me actually explain it something like "Since the Battle of Yavin happens in the same year as this event, then this is 0BBY". What do ya think? Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 15:43, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
    - 0 BBY can be sourced to ANH, as the Battle of Yavin happens in the film. Menkooroo 15:47, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
      - My bad, I think you're right. The date in the Aleena article can't be sourced to the movie, though. Imperators II^(Talk) 15:51, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
        Alright, check it out. Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 22:58, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
      - I disagree. Nowhere in Episode IV did it say they established a new dating system based upon the Battle of Yavin. YET (but that would be aknowledging EU continuity). I think a chronology source like the NEGC should be used instead. NaruHina ^Talk 23:16, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
        I see your point and I don't think it would be too difficult to find another source. But, I believe that there is nothing wrong with sourcing it to the movie since all the canon sources are supposed to flow together, dispite what came out when. Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 23:19, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
        Well, I see it as like saying KOTOR took place in 3,956 BBY. In the game, that year is never given, so we source it to the KOTORCG. In fact, the Battle of Yavin time system wasn't established until 25 ABY, so the movie really doesn't have anything to do with it at all other than being its epoch. If you really want to use the movie as the source, you have to at least explicitly specify in the citation that the reason you're using it is because the movie constitutes the system's year zero because the Battle of Yavin took place in it. NaruHina ^Talk 01:43, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
        I still don't see what the problem would be with sourcing it to the movie as is, but changed. Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 01:48, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
        Think of it like a progression of logic with evidence: "A New Hope takes place in 0 BBY." "Why?" "Because the Battle of Yavin occured in it." "And that proves it why?" "Because the BBY/ABY system is based around that battle as its epoch." "And how do you know that is the epoch of that system? Nothing about year is ever mentioned in the movie and the system didn't come into use for 25 years." "Because The New Essential Chronology establishes that it was the epoch on Page XV." "So source it to that." NaruHina ^Talk 02:46, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
        
        For a shorter one, consider my exchange wth Axinal over Crab-stuffed creampuff (I was in your position then): "The Mon Calamari homeworld is Dac." "How do you know that? Dac wasn't specifically referenced in Galaxy of Fear." "Because Geonosis and the Outer Rim Worlds identified it as such." "Then source it to that." NaruHina ^Talk 02:46, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
        See how that works then. Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 03:08, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
        If I can put in my opinion, I don't think needing to source movie years at all is necessary, but 0 BBY is the main one that I think just is better off being sourced to the film, as it happens in the same year of the Battle of Yavin. I'm going to remove the 0 BBY sourcing to NEC to all the ANH noms. Hanzo Hasashi 14:03, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
        Sounds good. Thanks. Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 14:54, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Rodian
- ~~I'd like to see some more context given. What and where is Docking Bay 94? Neither Mos Eisley nor Tatooine are mentioned. It's probably also worth mentioning why Jabba is looking for Han.~~
- ~~A brief account of what happens in that scene might be a good idea too --- ie, they go to the Falcon to look for Han, Han arrives after them and strikes a deal with Jabba, Jabba and his thugs leave.~~
  - See how this works for both objections. If it looks good, I'll fix up my other Rodian buddies. Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 14:40, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
- Was he definitely present in the original scene, when it was filmed with Declan Mulholland? Or was he a new actor added for the Special Edition? The mention of the deleted scene will have to be sourced to something, too, as cut content isn't self-sourcing. The intro to the special edition VHS would work. I'm honestly not sure what the best way to source that is, but this is how I've done it before. Menkooroo 02:58, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
  - I believe he was. Take a look at this picture for proof. File:DeclanMulholland as Jabba.jpg Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 03:15, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
    - Cool. I think you missed the second part of the objection, though.
      - Oh. Whoops! :P
- I feel like the stuff about where he's standing reads more like an OOU statement. It might fit better in "Behind the scenes;" alternatively, it could be moved earlier in the article and be stated before the article says that they leave Docking Bay 94, so that the chronology doesn't suddenly backtrack at the end. Menkooroo 07:07, September 22, 2011 (UTC)
  - I switched it around a bit. Check it out now. Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 14:06, September 22, 2011 (UTC)
    - Good stuff. I added a bit about an uncredited actor. See what you think. I also changed the sourcing to indicate that he wasn't around until 1997. Good work! Menkooroo 07:29, September 23, 2011 (UTC)
Exiled Jedi
- ~~I not sure that his tunic is red, looks more like a dirty light orange to me.~~
  - Well, that's something that could be argued about. :P But, I put down what I think is an acceptable compromise.
- ~~Don't forget to mention his boots.~~--Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 16:59, October 4, 2011 (UTC)
  - Looked more like sneakers to me, so I put down shoes. Thanks for the reivew EduCorps! ;) --Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 01:00, October 5, 2011 (UTC)
    - Meh, actually it does look like boots.--Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 01:08, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Comments

BTM includes the whole script of the film, which thus also includes the passage of "Jabba the Hut and a half-dozen grisly alien pirates," and therefore that is also a source mentioning all the Rodians. Hanzo Hasashi 03:19, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
- Sounds like it should be (Indirect mention only). Menkooroo 16:08, September 18, 2011 (UTC)