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Unidentified Kilji vassal (pilot)

  • Nominated by: Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 10:50, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: Well… the Kilji Illumine Comprehensive article nominations continue! — 16th
  • WookieeProject (optional): Novels, Chiss

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Support

  1. ECvote Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 16:36, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
  2. ECvote Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 10:37, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
  3. ECvote Imperators II(Talk) 12:23, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Object

Brahassal
  • The species is infobox exclusive. Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 10:41, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
    • Not really. "Kilji vassal" = Kilji + vassal. Formal title is "Kilji vassal," but they (Nakirre/Jixtus/Source) say "vassal" normally. Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 11:15, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
      • Well from articles you've nominated like Vassal Two (Anvil), Vassal Three, and both Vassal Fours, you treat Kilji vassal as only a title rather than species + title. What makes this any different? Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 11:40, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
        • That happens on non-conjectural articles. I've given you further insight through Discord. Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 14:16, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
          • Objection fixed through Discord. Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 16:26, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
Macaroni
  • The subject of the article isn't mentioned after the first sentence. Please reword so that the connection between the article and its subject is clearer. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 05:43, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
    • The subject is mentioned twice. Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 14:44, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
      • Please specify what you're referring to. I only see one mention, with the rest of the sentences discussing the vassals as a group. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 21:13, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
        • The "vassals" are what I meant. I see no problem with leaving it like this, the pilot is a vassal, after all. Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 08:51, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
          • I do have a problem with it. You should at least be able to connect the quote to the individual vassal when discussing the peace-sealing, but even further it shouldn't be that hard to connect the rest of the article to the subject. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 18:04, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
            • Addressed. And sorry for the trouble, I did not really see why it was be necessary. Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 11:58, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
  • Please move this article so that "pilot" isn't capitalized in the title.
    • Done. Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 19:05, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
  • I actually think that this is the same individual as Unidentified Kilji vassal (Helm). The helm is associated with steering a vessel, which is the job of a pilot, and the book doesn't introduce a new subject when it mentions the pilot, it just says the pilot as though the reader has already been introduced to him. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 18:54, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
    • That's not possible. If that was the case, Zahn would have specified. The helm one was at the helm, mybe he was just sitting there but didn't work there. I'll get more stuff to contest this in a minute. Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 18:57, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
    • Here is the appearance of both vassals (screenshot). Zahn always refers to the pilots as pilots, and helm as helm officers. Kilji vassals walk across the Whetstone every second, the first one could have been there attending to someone, and when Nakirre was killed, he sat on the helm. If you still believe that they are the same individual, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. There's nothing I can do to change that, really. Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 19:14, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
      • Yeah, I had already checked the book, which was why I made that argument. I suppose your counter kind of makes sense, but the way it's written makes the two seem like the same individual. I'll strike this nonetheless. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 21:23, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
        • Sometimes Zahn writes confusing stuff. I thought a Grysk from Lesser Evil was Kilji Colonel Tildnis :P Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 09:59, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
Imp
  • Based on the translation tags used in the quote, please note in the article that this individual spoke a non-Basic language. This will probably tip the article over 165, so please think about sectioning, as well. Imperators II(Talk) 10:11, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
    • Hmm. We don't actually know if he didn't speak Basic. Pathfinders (Qilori) were present in Lesser Space, maybe he could be speaking Basic with Qilori. We don't really know, I'm going to remove the translation tags. I'd assume he spoke Minnisiat, but we don't know. Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 11:28, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
      • Please take care to remove the tags from the other pages on which the quote is used, as well. Imperators II(Talk) 11:52, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
        • Of course. Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 12:11, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
  • While you're addressing the above issue, I'm noticing the quote on the peace-sealing article is slightly different than the one presented here - namely, the Whetstone is not italicized and it isn't indicated at the end of the first line that text has been omitted. Imperators II(Talk) 12:05, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
    • Fixed. Sorry about that. Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 12:11, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Comprehensive article by EduCorps 12:26, 15 August 2022 (UTC)