Wookieepedia:Comprehensive article nominations/Unidentified Eighth Family stronghold

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Unidentified Eighth Family stronghold

• Nominated by: Goodmind (talk) 09:07, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
• Nomination comments:
• WookieeProject (optional): WP:CHISS

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Lew

• The type field in the infobox should be filled out
• Category:Strongholds seems appliable here
  • Wouldn't that be speculation that it's a building? --Goodmind (talk) 16:58, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
    • Since it refers to as an Eighth Family stronghold wouldn't that be fair to say? You also refer it as the stronghold
      • Elaborate? --Goodmind (talk) 06:57, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
        • Why would it not be a building? Lewisr (talk) 14:50, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
          • Could be referring to their planet. It's not specified in text --Goodmind (talk) 08:41, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
• Are they speaking in basic? If not then the quote box should include that it was translated to basic, see here.
  • Fixed--Goodmind (talk) 16:58, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
• Could we get a date for the Outbound Flight battle? Lewisr (talk) 16:32, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
• I think the first 2 sentences could be combined to read a little better
  • What do you mean? --Goodmind (talk) 22:37, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
    • Sorry, missed this, but explained via talk page Lewisr (talk) 20:40, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
      • Here's what was on the talk page --Goodmind (talk) 09:57, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
      • The hearings don't seem to be primary function of a stronghold, so I don't think it'll really flow as one sentence, unless you mean something else --Goodmind
        • Wouldn't something like 'The Mitth family operated an Eighth Family stronghold where trial-borns of the family were required to have a hearing to renounce their family rank.' work? Lewisr
          • Doesn't that imply the hearings are the only thing that happens here? --Goodmind
            • I wouldn't say so, it's the only thing we know that happened there Lewisr
              • Do you not agree? Lewisr (talk) 17:47, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
                • Yeah, I think it'll actually read more awkward as one sentence. It already seems like tautology to say Mitth family operated an Eighth Family stronghold. Are links allowed inside the bolded title? --Goodmind (talk) 15:22, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
                  • I don't think it would read awkwardly at all, and no links are not allowed in the bolded title per the manual of style Lewisr (talk) 15:25, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
                    • Does it read awkward? --Goodmind (talk) 15:38, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
                      • Not at all I would say, something liek that is what I was looking for Lewisr (talk) 15:50, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
• You should move the context for what the Outbound Flight is up to the first mention of the ship and pipelink the battle pageLewisr (talk) 00:40, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Moved --Goodmind (talk) 20:26, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
• Now would Category:Strongholds be applicable? Lewisr (talk) 20:01, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
  • How? I thought we already discussed the category. I don't want to speculate if this refers to a building or something else --Goodmind (talk) 02:25, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
    • I was under the impression it was being treated as a singular thing but fair enough Lewisr (talk) 03:49, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Macaroni

• The quote seems to say that there was an Eighth Family stronghold, so it doesn't make sense to say that "Eighth Family stronghold" is the official name of the location. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 04:57, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Does it work now? I wouldn't want to move the page since there aren't any others in the book --Goodmind (talk) 11:27, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
    • I get that it's the only one we know of but it's still weird to imply that there is a building whose name is "Eighth Family stronghold", which is what I think we're currently doing. I would personally prefer that it be at "Unidentified Eighth Family stronghold" and for the body to say something like "The Eighth Family operated a stronghold etc". JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 06:19, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
      • That would make it a conjectural name when the book provides a non-conjectural one--Goodmind (talk) 00:09, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
        • I don't think it does though – it just uses "Eighth Family" to describe a stronghold – note the indefinite article they use. I think it's just some stronghold that they describe. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 04:35, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
          • Eighth Family stronghold would still be non-conjectural part not stronghold even if I moved this to Unidentified Eighth Family stronghold --Goodmind (talk) 05:51, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
            • Sorry for the delay – I still don't really agree, I'm going to ask other ECs their opinion. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 22:56, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
            • Multiple other ECs agree that it should be at an unidentified title. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 23:03, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
              • What about the conjectural part? --Goodmind (talk) 04:14, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
                • Sorry again that I've not been great responding here – I actually do think it should be "A stronghold..." because "Eighth Family stronghold" is just a descriptor. Again, the key here is the indefinite article "a" used in the book. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 04:19, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
                  • Can you point me to any similar cases with conjectural names? It just makes sense to me for the name in the book to be the bolded non-conjectural part. --Goodmind (talk) 02:26, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Anil

• Have you checked the novel's abridged audiobook adaptation to see if the stronghold is mentioned in it? Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 22:09, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
  • It's at the end of the book, so definitely not mentioned --Goodmind (talk) 00:37, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
    • I don't understand, how can you tell if that passage is omitted or not in the audiobook based on its position in the novel? Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 01:02, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
      • The abridged audio just cuts the whole chapter out and ends with Lorana and Thrass --Goodmind (talk) 01:30, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
• Besides that quote, does the rest of the novel mention the stronghold in question? The way I read the quote is that if the Eighth Family decides on having a hearing, it's going to be at an Eighth Family stronghold, which doesn't seem to be referring to one particular location. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 03:23, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
  • No, that's the only quote. --Goodmind (talk) 11:38, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
    • So there's no mention of one specific stronghold? Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 16:03, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
      • Well, it's the stronghold Formbi mentions, it just doesn't have a name or anything about it except that hearings could happen here --Goodmind (talk) 04:03, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
        • If it doesn't refer to a specific stronghold, then it kind of raises notability questions as it would really just be referring to a generic thing and nothing specific. Any relevant info would just be better suited to go onto the Mitth family page or the trial-born one Lewisr (talk) 17:43, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
          • How is that different from other unidentified locations? --Goodmind (talk) 11:38, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
            • The difference is that those refer to a specific place. If this isn't referring to a specific location, then it's just like saying at a government building or similar Lewisr (talk) 23:33, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
            • I have created a TC thread to see what other editors think about it. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 01:58, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Comments

• I haven't seen Lewisr's objection, I thought we already discussed the category. I don't want to speculate if it's a building or something else --Goodmind (talk) 02:29, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Vote to remove nomination (EC only)

Unaddressed objection from Lewisr for over ten days. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 23:33, 27 September 2023 (UTC)