- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a comprehensive article nomination that was successful. Please do not modify it.
Soft percussion drum
- Nominated by: NaruHina Talk
18:37, April 10, 2011 (UTC) - Nomination comments: I hate the snare drum. I hate it with a passion.
(2 ECs/1 Users/3 Total)
Support
- —Axinal Convocation Chamber 01:21, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
~Savage
15:29, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
OLIOSTER (talk) 17:48, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
Object
Is it clear from the context of the story that a specific instrument called the "soft percussion drum" is intended here? I'm worried this might be just drums that happen to be soft and percussive and don't need their own article. ~Savage 22:42, April 15, 2011 (UTC)- I wondered the same thing, but as the article is not tagged with the conjecture template, I assumed it was named in the story. I'll let Naru clarify to be certain.—Axinal Convocation Chamber 22:45, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
- Rereading your comment, Bob, I understand what you're saying now: a "soft percussion drum" can be mentioned, but not necessarily named such.—Axinal Convocation Chamber 22:47, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
- "A band played in the main hall?giant orange-skinned Turans with base nose flutes, electric harps, and soft percussion drums were playing an insistent, exhilarating tune that somehow stirred Dengar deeply." In context, with the specific naming of both electric harp and base nose flutes, I think this name can be taken as canonical. NaruHina Talk 17:56, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
- I agree with Naru here; it seems somewhat ambiguous as to whether this is its REAL name, but I think it's worthy of an article either way; and since it's called a "soft percussion drum" in the story, it makes sense to call it that rather than "Unidentified soft percussion drum."—Axinal Convocation Chamber 01:21, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
That's fine. I still think this one is nebulous, but we can give the instrument the benefit of the doubt. ~Savage 17:34, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
- I agree with Naru here; it seems somewhat ambiguous as to whether this is its REAL name, but I think it's worthy of an article either way; and since it's called a "soft percussion drum" in the story, it makes sense to call it that rather than "Unidentified soft percussion drum."—Axinal Convocation Chamber 01:21, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
- "A band played in the main hall?giant orange-skinned Turans with base nose flutes, electric harps, and soft percussion drums were playing an insistent, exhilarating tune that somehow stirred Dengar deeply." In context, with the specific naming of both electric harp and base nose flutes, I think this name can be taken as canonical. NaruHina Talk
- Rereading your comment, Bob, I understand what you're saying now: a "soft percussion drum" can be mentioned, but not necessarily named such.—Axinal Convocation Chamber 22:47, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
- I wondered the same thing, but as the article is not tagged with the conjecture template, I assumed it was named in the story. I'll let Naru clarify to be certain.—Axinal Convocation Chamber 22:45, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
These two things go for all three articles: The three instrument articles you have nominated are good, but they read identically to one another, save the change of the instrument name. Would it be possible to rewrite the other two so that the wording of at least the second sentence is changed up a bit to add some variety? You could rephrase so that the band comes first, for instance.- To reference another short story, I'd prefer not to. The articles each relay all the information available as succinctly as I can think of. I see no reason to change them because it will not enhance any reader's experience on the Wook to do so, nor will simply leaving them as they are detract from it. If anyhting, leaving them identical will save them time if they want to look at all three because they will know at a glance that don't have to go through the subsequent articles if they've read one. We all know that "lazy" has become a buzz-word around here lately, so I'd like to preempt that accusation by saying this has nothing to do with a lack of initiative preventing me from complying. It has everything to do with utilitarianism. NaruHina Talk 01:56, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I think it does enhance the reader's experience to not encounter the same prose in more than one place (our leads on longer articles, for instance, are not supposed to copy sections of the body verbatim), but I suppose there's no policy about this. I'm happy to support this article but will just leave the other two alone. (Not trying to be petty, mind you; I just don't feel comfortable supporting all three articles unless they are made more distinct from one another. I hope that makes sense. :)) ~Savage 15:29, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I think it does enhance the reader's experience to not encounter the same prose in more than one place (our leads on longer articles, for instance, are not supposed to copy sections of the body verbatim), but I suppose there's no policy about this. I'm happy to support this article but will just leave the other two alone. (Not trying to be petty, mind you; I just don't feel comfortable supporting all three articles unless they are made more distinct from one another. I hope that makes sense. :)) ~Savage
- To reference another short story, I'd prefer not to. The articles each relay all the information available as succinctly as I can think of. I see no reason to change them because it will not enhance any reader's experience on the Wook to do so, nor will simply leaving them as they are detract from it. If anyhting, leaving them identical will save them time if they want to look at all three because they will know at a glance that don't have to go through the subsequent articles if they've read one. We all know that "lazy" has become a buzz-word around here lately, so I'd like to preempt that accusation by saying this has nothing to do with a lack of initiative preventing me from complying. It has everything to do with utilitarianism. NaruHina Talk
Secondly, and I realize this goes back and forth and back and forth on this site, but I think "Payback: The Tale of Dengar" should be in quotation marks rather than italicized. Virtually every style guide you can find in the real-world says that short story titles go in quotation marks, and book titles go in italics. I realize that on the site, a lot of people think everything should be italicized for simplicity's sake, but in this case, because both the short story and book are mentioned in short proximity, I think it's important to recognize the distinction between the shorter work and the longer one per the strictures of real-world academia.Finally, could you add a publication date to the BTSs to let us know when the story was first published? Otherwise, solid articles, these three. ~Savage 17:34, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
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