Wookieepedia:Comprehensive article nominations/Santa Claus/Legends

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Santa Claus/Legends

• Nominated by: AmazinglyCool (talk) 03:23, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
• Nomination comments:
• Date Archived: 22:54, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
• Final word count: 629 words (94 introduction, 288 body, 247 behind the scenes)
• Word count at nomination time: 501 words (0 introduction, 45 body, 456 behind the scenes)
• WookieeProject (optional): Merry Christmas :P

(1 ECs/3 Users/4 Total)

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Support

1. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 09:21, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
2. D MCCG (chat) 06:19, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
3. NBDani (they/them)^{Yeager's Repairs} 15:47, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
4. Ho ho ho! Manoof (he/him/his) 11:56, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Object

Christmas Code-8 review

• Describing the character's canon appearances and any mentions after
  • Must have been too tired to finish this one haha. I meant to say that describing the characters canon appearances and any post 2014 appearances belong on the canon page, not here.
    • If I recall, isn't it uniform to state the character's first appearances in the other continuity. AmazinglyCool (talk) 14:40, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
      • Only in the canon article's Bts, not in the Legends version Commander Code-8 ^{Hello There!} 23:14, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
        • I see, addressed. 23:59, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
• A couple of media items in the Bts need their release dates mentioned
  • Still need it for Lego Star Wars II
    • Adressed. AmazinglyCool (talk) 14:40, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
      • Per the Layout Guide only the year is needed, and that can be sourced to the game itself: "films, novels, video games, reference books, card sets, and roleplaying or tabletop game products should only provide a publication year, while comic-book issues, television episodes, and magazine issues should provide a full date. The exception to this rule is when two sources are being discussed in tandem."
        • Adressed. AmazinglyCool (talk) 23:59, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
• Bts has room for another image
• According to the StarWars.com article about Christmas cards the artwork for Christmas in the Stars was by Ralph McQuarrie and was made for a Christmas card first Commander Code-8 ^{Hello There!} 06:53, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
  • It should be mentioned that the cards were distributed to LucasFilm's business partners and when McQuarrie illustrated the cards Commander Code-8 ^{Hello There!} 09:13, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
    • Adressed. AmazinglyCool (talk) 14:40, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Addressed. AmazinglyCool (talk) 03:23, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
• Infobox is missing parameters and needs reloading reloading Commander Code-8 ^{Hello There!} 09:13, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Adressed. AmazinglyCool (talk) 14:40, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Macaroni

• The non-canon history in the bts should be written from an OOU perspective, see Ben Quadinaros#Behind the scenes as an example. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 18:21, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Adressed. AmazinglyCool (talk) 23:59, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
• If we only know of one instance of him carrying presents, that isn't enough to say he "occasionally" did it.
• I also don't really think an easter egg can be described as a canonical appearance. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 01:05, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Addressed. AmazinglyCool (talk) 01:46, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
• Please give the images sizes.
• You'll need to find a different source than Wikipedia to cite. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 02:24, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Adressed. AmazinglyCool (talk) 02:55, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Almost there - the Easter egg header implies that the whole article is an Easter egg, which I think is correct, but saying that his appearance in KOTOR #50 was canonical in the appearances section is a little misleading. I think you should just lump all of the appearance items together without a non-canon subsection, and we'll know that none of the appearances are canon by the Easter egg header template. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 02:19, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Adressed. AmazinglyCool (talk) 18:31, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
    • I was referring to the appearances section, not the bts. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 20:52, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
      • I see, thank you for clarifying. AmazinglyCool (talk) 15:00, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
        • You're still using {{Nc}} in that section. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 06:52, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
          • The {{Nc}} template isnt in the appearances section, unless you are referring to the use of the {{1stc}} template. AmazinglyCool (talk) 22:02, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
            • Ah, you're correct. That is indeed to what I was referring. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 06:05, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
              • Addressed. AmazinglyCool (talk) 21:16, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
                • Bts still claims that that appearance was canonical though. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 22:22, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
                  • Addressed. AmazinglyCool (talk) 23:36, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
• Sorry for prolonging this, but I think that since we're going to be treating all of his appearances as Easter eggs/non-canon, all the info should be in the body, unless there are times that he appears non-canonically and times that he's just an Easter egg, if that makes sense. Basically, I think everything should be in the body - thoughts? JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 07:39, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
  • I agree, and have added everything to the body. This however, has caused the article to go into the GAN word limit. As such, I am waiting to renominate the article as a GAN until I hear if your thoughts have changed or if someone else contests this change. AmazinglyCool (talk) 22:53, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
    • fwiw I think this is safe to send to GAN, whenever suits you —spookywilloww^talk 20:43, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Manoof

• Context for maul, bb8, vader and 3PO in the BTS (eg that they're Sith or droids or something) Manoof (he/him/his) 06:12, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
• just be careful when using pronouns that it's clear whom the pronoun refers to, the sentence with 3po needs rewording so it is not ambiguous whether it is 3PO, Santa or Santa's son that is being talked about (it's clear sometimes but ambiguous others) Manoof (he/him/his) 06:12, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
  • There's male pronouns in the BTS, is Santa referred to with male pronouns in any sources? (to be clear, I'm ok with the son being referred to with he/his since he is noted as being the son of Santa) Manoof (he/him/his) 12:36, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
    • Christmas In The Stars as well as the LEGO Star Wars II article use he/him/his pronouns. AmazinglyCool (talk) 22:10, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
      • Awesome, you'll need to add the pronouns in the infobox and corresponding Category:Individuals with he/him pronouns Manoof (he/him/his) 11:09, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
        • Added. AmazinglyCool (talk) 20:53, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
• Skin colour isn't consistent between the infobox and body and is it clear that he is male from the sources? Manoof (he/him/his) 06:12, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Adressed. AmazinglyCool (talk) 02:09, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• I think two images is one too many, the placement of the yoda one needs to go but you can pick which one to keep under non-canon history Manoof (he/him/his) 13:11, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• Ref 14 and 15 should be combined, in that you should pick an example character from the same set used to support the statement that multiple characters used the costume theme (similar to refs 12 and 13) Manoof (he/him/his) 13:11, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• The Lego sets need to be added to the sources, noting that it is the costume only using Template:C, and check other sets that may have had santa costumes for Legends/Canon sets. Bricklink has a list of minifigures relating to santa here Manoof (he/him/his) 13:11, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• Ref 3 is referencing his costume, is that correct as it is not listed in appearances or sources? Manoof (he/him/his) 13:11, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• Does ref 17 support christmas being dec 25? Manoof (he/him/his) 13:17, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• Please check my edit and let me know if you have any questions. To clarify where I linked youngling, the previous mention of children is in an OOU context so I have not linked the IU article to the term. Manoof (he/him/his) 13:17, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Addressed. Edit looks fine, just wanted to let you know that I only added the LEGO sets that were before 2015, as I felt the other ones (there's only 2 or 3) should be placed on the canon page. AmazinglyCool (talk) 18:31, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
    • Perfect, that's the right call with that and I should've specified that sorry, good work! Manoof (he/him/his) 09:26, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
• I'm not sure why but you've removed the mention of the boots/belt and the non-canon history header? They can go back. If the boots/belt isn't supported in the canon appearance you can probably note it in the non-canon history section. Manoof (he/him/his) 09:26, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
  • He was only depicted wearing those items in X-Wing. I removed the header as part of Macaroni's objection. I re-added the items to the BTS section. AmazinglyCool (talk) 16:20, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
    • I'm not sure that's what macaroni meant, I've asked him to clarify Manoof (he/him/his) 21:07, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
      • The header can go back based on the clarification :) Manoof (he/him/his) 03:09, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
        • It should be back now. AmazinglyCool (talk) 13:23, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

ThrawnChiss

• If you are not treating X-wing as a "canonical" appearance, then the info should be in the "non-canon" portion of the bts, and his skin colour shouldn't be refed to the game.ThrawnChiss7 ^{Assembly Cupola} 02:38, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
• The part obout bb-8 dressing up as santa and the 2018 funko pop probably shouldn't go on the legends page. -ThrawnChiss7 ^{Assembly Cupola} 02:38, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Addressed. AmazinglyCool (talk) 20:53, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
• The last link in sources appeares to be formatted incorrectly. -ThrawnChiss7 ^{Assembly Cupola} 02:38, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
  • That's a typo from my copy-edit, fixed. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 07:28, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Comments

• I can't tell Santa's eye colour from that picture, how do you figure that it's dark brown? RogueWhistler (talk) 15:24, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
• I know we make the distinction, but it still feels a bit odd to say "In the current Star Wars canon, Santa Claus appeared in... a non-canon young readers book," maybe something about it being after the Legends announcement could communicate what's meant a bit more clearly? RogueWhistler (talk) 15:24, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
• Santa's on the cover of Christmas in the Stars, so I think it should be an appearance, not just a mention. RogueWhistler (talk) 15:24, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Adressed. The eye colour was an incorrect assumption from me. AmazinglyCool (talk) 22:48, 16 December 2022 (UTC)