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Oovo IV

Nominated by: Fan26 (Talk) 15:06, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
Nomination comments:

(3 ECs/2 Users/5 Total)

Support

Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 13:23, October 24, 2018 (UTC)
Imperators II^(Talk) 14:18, October 24, 2018 (UTC)
Tommy Macaroni 14:51, October 24, 2018 (UTC)
QuiGonJinn ^(Talk) 17:27, October 24, 2018 (UTC)
AV-6R7^{Crew Pit} 22:21, October 25, 2018 (UTC)
Good job! Imperators II^(Talk) 02:26, November 8, 2018 (UTC)

Object

Imp IV

~~Please get rid of the full dates in BTS.~~ Imperators II^(Talk) 15:11, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
- Done
  - What I meant get rid of the clauses mentioning the release dates, and their references. Just say "the 2015 book blahblah," which can usually all be sourced to the product itself. Imperators II^(Talk) 15:54, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
    - Fixed.
      - You don't need the Amazon and IGN refs anymore since all the info currently in the BTS can be referenced to the respective sources, so please remove them. Imperators II^(Talk) 20:56, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
        Removed.
~~Missing backup links.~~ Imperators II^(Talk) 15:11, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
- Backed up for amazon, something wrong with the IGN one. Would appreciate a pointer on how to get it to link to the archive url first, then the original. Fan26 (Talk) 15:42, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
  - Regarding IGN, you're passing the same live link to the |archiveurl= parameter, instead of an actual backup link. Imperators II^(Talk) 15:46, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
    - Could've sworn I linked to the wayback machine. Thanks. Fan26 (Talk) 15:48, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
- All three web refs now have backup links; however the page is still in the missing permanent archival links category and I cannot find it with the rest of the categories-how do I remove it? Fan26 (Talk) 15:51, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
  - You missed the External links section. Imperators II^(Talk) 15:54, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
    - Archived and added. I did something wrong though; the backup link field is sharing its space with the url to the original article and a partial date, which only shows up there in an incomplete form. Fan26 (Talk) 18:37, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
      - Like this. The documentation pages for the citation templates often have instructions for how to add backup links. Imperators II^(Talk) 19:06, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
        I see. The domain name rule applies to the archive.org link too. My bad.
~~Please present all relevant canon info in the BTS before the Legends info.~~ Imperators II^(Talk) 15:54, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
- Fixed.
~~I'd like to see some dating for the Jango Fett events, if not the Thrawn ones.~~ Imperators II^(Talk) 15:55, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
- AFAIK, there was no date provided for Fett, so I gave it more of a contextual timestamp based on when the ship first appeared. As for Thrawn, yeah, hardly any of the book has any concrete dates so what's already there is the best I think I can get. Fan26 (Talk) 18:17, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
  - That's too much. Surely there has got to be a canon source that dates the events of AOTC to 22 BBY or something. Imperators II^(Talk) 19:39, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
    - Fixed.Fan26 (Talk) 20:38, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
      - The new date ref needs to be fully linked and properly punctuated, without any typos. Imperators II^(Talk) 20:56, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
        Done.
~~You shouldn't be saying "became canon" about subjects like this that were originally part of Legends. They were still "canon" at any point until 2014. Please rephrase.~~ Imperators II^(Talk) 20:56, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
- Does that look better?
~~That long list of the Absolutely Everything is really irrelevant to the subject, please remove it. And you're missing some punctuation in that sentence.~~ Imperators II^(Talk) 20:56, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
- Do you mean the three authors?
  - Yup. Imperators II^(Talk) 21:41, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
    - Removed. Fan26 (Talk) 21:45, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
~~"During or prior" is rather speculative wording, please replace with "by."~~ Imperators II^(Talk) 20:56, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
- Fixed. Fan26 (Talk) 21:39, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
~~Can we simplify the context for Star Pilot to something like "a 2015 children's book by Laura Buller" or something to that effect?~~ Imperators II^(Talk) 20:56, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
- Done. Fan26 (Talk) 21:40, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
~~You should change ref 2 to point to the more recent version of the sourcebook.~~ Imperators II^(Talk) 22:11, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
- Done. Left 2015 version in BtS considering it first ID'd the moon.
Is the "Oovo IV detention center" actually referred to as such in the novel? If not and if the name in the quote is the facility's only canonical designation, the article should be moved and this article edited accordingly. Imperators II^(Talk) 22:11, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
- The quote is the only mention of the prison in the book. I can't find anything in the Naming policy that would seem to indicate this would be marked as conjectural.
  - Uh, not sure what happened here, so let me reiterate. If the facility is only called "Oovo Four detention center" in the book, then its article should be moved accordingly plus its name should be corrected in this article's infobox and body. Imperators II^(Talk) 11:15, October 21, 2018 (UTC)
    - My apologies-I misunderstood what you meant. You were talking about "four" as opposed to"IV". I'll move the detention center article.
      - Moved it. Do I need to find the redirect page and mark it for deletion? Fan26 (Talk) 14:19, October 22, 2018 (UTC)
      - Never mind. Figured it out. Fan26 (Talk) 14:57, October 22, 2018 (UTC)
Is the subject also mentioned in the Thrawn audiobook? If so, add it to Appearances and upload an audiofile for the quote. Feel free to contact Tommy-Macaroni or Ayrehead02 for any assistance with that if needed. Imperators II^(Talk) 22:11, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
- Given that it is, according to both us and audible, the unabridged version, I would think so. I'll ask one of them if they could get an audio file-neither .ogg or required software are my area of expertise
  - Tommy says he might be able to get to it. Fan26 (Talk) 17:40, October 21, 2018 (UTC)
    - I have just added the audio file. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 17:46, October 23, 2018 (UTC)
      - Thanks.
~~On that matter, any chance the subject is mentioned in any of the comic adaptation issues?~~ Imperators II^(Talk) 22:11, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
- Checked, nope.
Please rewrite the Thrawn bit so that the info is presented chronologically. Begin with the fact that Pryce arrested Madras on Oovo IV (any specifics/reason on the arrest? any additional context/status/rank/etc. for Madras?), then Madras sending the messages, and finally the receptionist mentioning Oovo. Imperators II^(Talk) 22:11, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
- Did so. I think I might've gone into too much detail-let me know if there's stuff I could remove or run-on sentences that need to be divided.
  - Oh, definitely. Who arrested Madras seems irrelevant, and so do the circumstances of Pryce's involvement in her arrest and Pryce's latter promotion details. Context on Madras should be heavily condensed, as well. Regarding the fact that Pryce declined to reply immediately — do we know what happens to Madras after that? If not, it's probably irrelevant to Oovo IV, as well. Imperators II^(Talk) 23:13, October 23, 2018 (UTC)
    - Got it. Fan26 (Talk) 13:06, October 24, 2018 (UTC)
      - I have rewritten it. Fan26 (Talk) 13:11, October 24, 2018 (UTC)
~~Context for Coruscant.~~ Imperators II^(Talk) 22:11, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
- Done.
Reviewing notes: In the future, please pay attention to how we're formatting the titles of the films. In addition, please familiarize yourself with our Sourcing policy regarding how references should be formatted in articles, specifically repeated instances of the same reference. Imperators II^(Talk) 22:11, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
- Got it. Fan26 (Talk) 01:30, October 21, 2018 (UTC)
~~The article is now 203 words long, meaning you should add an intro now and see if it brings the article over the 250-word limit.~~ Imperators II^(Talk) 22:25, October 25, 2018 (UTC)
- Will do. Fan26 (Talk) 23:34, October 25, 2018 (UTC)
  - Added it, it's now at 243 I think. Let me know if there's anything that needs to be re-formatted. Fan26 (Talk) 00:04, October 26, 2018 (UTC)
    - The information in the intro should be presented chronologically, and the second sentence should specify what does "it" refer to. In addition, you should create a Description section before the History section per the Layout Guide. Regarding the first paragraph of History, you should always try to avoid having one-sentence paragraphs. Imperators II^(Talk) 14:27, October 28, 2018 (UTC)
      - That would probably push it over the 250 limit, and I'd have to violate rule 14 to shorten it. According to the Layout guide though, Description is only for things like environment, geology and spatial location. The only info we have regarding those sorts of things is that the detention center was located on the moon, and as you said one-sentence paragraphs aren't generally a good idea.Fan26 (Talk) 14:16, October 29, 2018 (UTC)
        I never said you should violate rule 14. I still want to see the intro info be ordered chronologically, and the article proper (whatever section follows the intro) should begin with introducing Oovo IV as a prison moon again, or something to that effect. Imperators II^(Talk) 17:41, October 29, 2018 (UTC)
        I see what you meant now. Done. Fan26 (Talk) 18:04, October 29, 2018 (UTC)
        Oh well, looks like the article won't go over the limit after all. Imperators II^(Talk) 02:06, November 8, 2018 (UTC)
~~Does Thrawn explicitly mention the Imperial Era? If not, I'm afraid I'm going to have to take issue with the term's usage without any additional referencing.~~ Imperators II^(Talk) 14:28, October 28, 2018 (UTC)
- Good point. Will create a ref for that. Fan26 (Talk) 17:06, October 28, 2018 (UTC)
  - Done. Fan26 (Talk) 20:11, October 28, 2018 (UTC)
    - I fail to see what that reference has got to do with my objection. Imperators II^(Talk) 04:03, October 29, 2018 (UTC)
      - The idea was that Zahn specifies the book takes place between Thrawn's first encounter with the Empire, meaning it takes place after the Proclamation of the New Order, and his appearance in rebels, meaning it is firmly in the Imperial Era. I'll see about explaining that more clearly in a ref. Fan26 (Talk) 14:16, October 29, 2018 (UTC)
        I was talking about the explicit term "Imperial Era" used in the body, not the "reign of the Galactic Empire," which I suspect is already more than established by Thrawn. Imperators II^(Talk) 17:41, October 29, 2018 (UTC)
        I understand what you meant now-had completely forgotten about adding it to ther article body. Removed it. Fan26 (Talk) 18:04, October 29, 2018 (UTC)
~~You have some duplicate linking now, and the second sentence of the intro is missing word(s).~~ Imperators II^(Talk) 23:32, November 6, 2018 (UTC)
- Did I get them all? Fan26 (Talk) 00:04, November 7, 2018 (UTC)
~~We're almost there. :P I believe History now has enough room for an image, maybe of a Firespray-31 or Madras?~~ Imperators II^(Talk) 02:06, November 8, 2018 (UTC)
- Firespray probably makes the most sense. Let me find a canon image that works. Fan26 (Talk) 02:10, November 8, 2018 (UTC)

Anıl

~~The first sentence of the second paragraph is a little hard to read with all those commas. Please see if you can split it.~~ Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 17:16, October 23, 2018 (UTC)
- Imperator's most recent objection for condensing the context probably solves this problem. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 03:39, October 24, 2018 (UTC)

AV

~~I'm not sure whether those articles in the external links section belong in this article, as they deal exclusively with the Legends version of Oovo IV.~~ - AV-6R7^{Crew Pit} 17:45, October 24, 2018 (UTC)
- Good point. They're gone.
~~That Oovo IV was the site of the Oovo Four detention center should probably be mentioned in the first sentence of the article.~~ - AV-6R7^{Crew Pit} 17:48, October 24, 2018 (UTC)
- Fixed. Fan26 (Talk) 22:16, October 25, 2018 (UTC)

Comments

Please go to the "My Preferences" section of your account, and under "Gadgets" check "Highlight all redirects orange." (And "Enable personal JavaScript" in "Under the Hood," if it isn't checked already.) Imperators II^(Talk) 20:56, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
- Done. Is there something specific I need to add to my personal JS? Fan26 (Talk) 21:39, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
  - Not for highlighting redirects. But I'd also recommend you check "Highlight duplicate links in articles" under "Gadgets," and see if the corresponding button appears on your lower Toolbar. Imperators II^(Talk) 22:15, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
    - Already did-seemed like a good idea when I went to activate redirect highlights. Fan26 (Talk) 01:30, October 21, 2018 (UTC)