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Numa's father

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  1. ECvote QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 20:12, July 19, 2020 (UTC)
  2. Look forward for more CANs from you! Braha'tok enthusiast (Hello there) 07:08, July 22, 2020 (UTC)
  3. ECvote A good effort for your first nomination. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 07:20, July 23, 2020 (UTC)
  4. --Editoronthewiki (talk) 15:43, September 10, 2020 (UTC)
  5. ECvote Fan26 (Talk) 19:10, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

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Fan
  • Bolded words don't get linked.
  • "he discovered a female Twi'lek who he developed a special bond with and together the two had a little girl they named Numa" Is any of this outright stated by that TCW episode? I don't think it is, meaning this is just blatant speculation.Fan26 (Talk) 15:45, June 21, 2020 (UTC)
  • Numa's mother should be linked to. Fan26 (Talk) 15:46, June 21, 2020 (UTC)
  • The BtS needs to be cited.
  • An air date is required for the episode. Fan26 (Talk) 15:57, June 21, 2020 (UTC)
    • Derp, Shay got to those last two right at the same time I did. Fan26 (Talk) 15:58, June 21, 2020 (UTC)
UberSoldat
  • Please source the BTS and add the air date for the episode.
  • We use {{Circa}} in front of of the date instead of having "c." before it.
  • Have you checked Numa#Sources for any possible mentions? UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 15:57, June 21, 2020 (UTC)
    • I did. Found something from On the Front Lines that added additional context to the Separatist's invasion and his capture. Thanks, Shayan. Mr Star Wars Amino Republic (talk) 19:23, June 21, 2020 (UTC)
  • Context needed for Ryloth. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 16:01, June 21, 2020 (UTC)
  • Can you combine the first two sentences so that you're not repeating information (he sired Numa)? The sentence about her home can be separated.
  • Release date, writer, and illustrator required for The Clone Wars: Curfew. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 19:33, July 3, 2020 (UTC)
    • The good article for Numa's father doesn't include any of that, so why would I need it here? Mr Star Wars Amino Republic (talk) 04:29, July 4, 2020 (UTC)
      • That article's BTS is also unsourced, among other issues. The Layout Guide mandates the inclusion of a full release date for comic issues. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 07:45, July 4, 2020 (UTC)
        • Alright. I can add the date, although I still don't understand why I would need the writer and illustrator of it. Mr Star Wars Amino Republic (talk) 16:04, July 4, 2020 (UTC)
          • Because it's the character's first appearance in Legends material. It's a requirement for all comic book articles to include writers and, if applicable, illustrators. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 16:12, July 4, 2020 (UTC)
  • Context for why the Confederacy was using civilians as shields against the Republic. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 07:45, July 4, 2020 (UTC)
  • Please fix your citations. Follow the {{WebCite}} template documentation and fill out the necessary fields, it's not just a link and a backup link. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 10:06, July 13, 2020 (UTC)
    • What is it that needs fixing in the article? Mr Star Wars Amino Republic (talk) 17:28, July 13, 2020 (UTC)
      • You haven't filled out the available fields in that template. Right now all you have is the link, site where it's hosted, and the archive link. In this case, you're missing |accessdate=, |author=, |date=. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 17:38, July 13, 2020 (UTC)
  • There is enough space in the BTS for the image of Numa's father from Curfew. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 10:47, July 22, 2020 (UTC)
OOM
  • I don't think the TCW episode explicitly states the father's species.
    • Not a single source has said that Numa is a hybrid like Jacen, so I think it's safe to assume that Numa's father was a Twi'lek.
      • The assumption cannot be sourced to the episode itself. Also, this father is not necessarily Numa's biological father, which means he could be of any species. - - CIS roundel OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 06:07, June 24, 2020 (UTC)
        • Oh man, forgot about adoptive parents. I had thought about it earlier but had since forgotten. And yeah, saying he's a Twi'lek would not be able to sourced to the episode. Mr Star Wars Amino Republic (talk) 06:25, June 24, 2020 (UTC)
  • All fathers are male. The first sentence could be better worded.
  • How is the father "indirectly mentioned" in the episode? Is there a quote for that? - - -CIS roundel OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 16:24, June 21, 2020 (UTC)
    • "I wonder what happened to her family." - Waxer. Seems like an indirect mention of her father. Mr Star Wars Amino Republic (talk) 19:30, June 21, 2020 (UTC)
      • Alright. Then that quote could be added to the article. - - -CIS roundel OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 04:56, June 22, 2020 (UTC)
        • If I can butt in, Numa explicitly mentions her father in On the Front Lines, which would be a more suitable quote than an indirect mention. RattsT (talk) 05:01, June 22, 2020 (UTC)
Ratts
Editor
Spooky
  • Gender should always go after species.
  • Can that entire first sentence also be sourced to Galactic Atlas, as it is now? It'd make more sense for just the date to be sourced to that, unless it does have that information about Numa's father, like the episode does.—spookywillowwtalk 15:24, June 22, 2020 (UTC)
Anil
  • Duplicate links.
  • Per the Manual of Style, grammatical articles (such as a, an, and the) must not be placed in pipelinks. (example: the [[Battle of Endor|battle]], not [[Battle of Endor|the battle]])
  • Based on what I see in Galactic Atlas, I think you should say that the Separatist invasion took place, and therefore the father was killed, in between 22 and 21 BBY.
    • The Battle of Ryloth was dated to have begun in 22 BBY by Galactic Atlas. The episode where Numa's father was mentioned was dated to 21 BBY also by Galactic Atlas and I therefore believe that it should read '21 BBY (Approximate date).' We should go with when the episode the father was mentioned to have been killed in because that's likely closer to when the father was actually killed as opposed to 22 BBY as you currently have it listed as in the current version of the article. Mr Star Wars Amino Republic (talk) 05:27, June 27, 2020 (UTC)
      • "I wonder what happened to her family." If you are referring to this quote, I honestly don't quite understand how that mention of the father suggests that he was killed shortly prior. The father could have been killed at the very beginning of the Ryloth campaign for all we know. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 00:33, July 1, 2020 (UTC)
        • He could've also been killed shortly before "Innocents of Ryloth" as well. We don't know exactly when he was killed so we should use the episode where he was first indirectly mentioned as nothing has placed it any earlier. Mr Star Wars Amino Republic (talk) 18:57, July 1, 2020 (UTC)
          • Sorry to interject here, but I agree with the usage of the date range. It's more specific than just using "around 21 BBY." As the page is right now, the c. 21 BBY date is exclusive to the infobox; providing the range for the campaign would fix this. Zed42 (talk) 18:57, July 10, 2020 (UTC)
  • I believe Numa's parents are also mentioned in the StarWars.com Encyclopedia entry for Numa. Please add that to the Sources list and recheck Numa#Sources and other possible sources just to be sure that there isn't any other missing mention. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 23:39, June 26, 2020 (UTC)
    • Added. Checked through Numa's sources again and once again found nothing on her parents (besides the one mentioned above). Mr Star Wars Amino Republic (talk) 05:27, June 27, 2020 (UTC)
Zed
  • If the mention of Numa's father in "Innocents of Ryloth" is indirect and consists only of the "I wonder what happened to her family" quote, I don't see how his gender, or his status as a father in the body, can be referenced to the episode. Zed42 (talk) 19:52, June 28, 2020 (UTC)
  • Is there a reason why "A male individual came to be the parent of the Twi'lek Numa" is sourced to the Ryloth entry in the Encyclopedia, which only mentions the deaths of Numa's parents? Seems like that should be referenced to On the Front Lines, which appears to be the first source to actually mention a father specifically.
  • I don't think the BTS needs to mention that Numa's father was indirectly mentioned in the Encylopedia.
  • When On the Front Lines is brought up in the BTS, you should mention that it was the first source to directly reference a father instead of "parents." The information about Numa's mother and uncle should also go into the article body instead. Zed42 (talk) 18:57, July 10, 2020 (UTC)
    • Added and moved. Mr Star Wars Amino Republic (talk) 04:20, July 11, 2020 (UTC)
      • I don't think the BTS mention of On the Front Lines needs to state the information also present in the body, just that it established him to be a father rather than a generic mention of "parents." Zed42 (talk) 07:10, July 19, 2020 (UTC)
  • The 21 BBY date is currently infobox-exclusive; it can be added onto the mention of the occupation's end. Zed42 (talk) 07:10, July 19, 2020 (UTC)
Freed fanboy
  • I'd recommend name dropping the Battle of Ryloth as "the Separatists' occupation of Ryloth" or "the occupation of Ryloth" or something like that just like you've done in the date note and similarly done, with "invaded", in the article body. Braha'tok enthusiast (Hello there) 20:38, June 28, 2020 (UTC)
  • "In the ensuing chaos, he was rounded up along with many of the other inhabitants of Nabat, including Numa's mother and uncle, and used as a living shield against the Galactic Republic, who were attempting to reclaim the planet from the Confederacy."
    • Ok firstly, you could use Numa's father instead of he.
    • Second of all, who rounds them up? The confederacy is not stated until right at the end, after the Republic is introduced. I would suggest mentioning that the "Confederacy's forces" rounded them up, with the instance of Confederacy after not being altered. Braha'tok enthusiast (Hello there) 10:15, July 21, 2020 (UTC)


QGJ
  • Mentioning Numa's name twice in those two sentences is repetitive. Try to reword this to flow better. A male came to be the father of the Twi'lek Numa. At some point, he, along with a female, had a daughter named Numa
  • You can work in Numa's birth date (26 BBY), into the article. Be careful with the wording though, as not to outright state that he himself became the father in 26 BBY. As there's indeed the possibility of him adopting Numa at a later date.
  • Please include the mention of the name "Clone Wars" somewhere in the article. This will help provide some context for the events described here.
    • I'm not entirely sure I placed it in the way you wished but the Clone Wars is now mentioned within the article. Mr Star Wars Amino Republic (talk) 20:19, July 1, 2020 (UTC)
  • You first mention the "Confederacy of Independent Systems" and later the "Separatist Alliance". I suggest changing the second mention to the Confederacy as well, to avoid potential confusion, as it may not be clearly evident for newer readers that the two terms refer to the same organization.
  • In the BTS, please provide a release year for Star Wars: On the Front Lines. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 13:41, June 29, 2020 (UTC)
  • Ref 9 should be ideally changed to a SW.com link (using an appropriate template), instead of an unofficial site. This will require using web archive to go through Sw.com posts and finding the one that mentions this comic
    • I found one but the page will not load. Mr Star Wars Amino Republic (talk) 00:08, July 13, 2020 (UTC)
      • To make up for it, I have sourced articles from Rebelscum.com instead in order to make up for not being able to use a StarWars.com article. Mr Star Wars Amino Republic (talk) 06:20, July 13, 2020 (UTC)
        • Rebelscum is still an unofficial site, though it is admittedly a more reliable source and is widely accepted for sourcing information regarding Star Wars toys. I'll see if I can try to make a SW.com link work myself. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 12:51, July 14, 2020 (UTC)
          • I know it's an unofficial site, but UberSoldat93 directed me to it and called it the next best thing. Mr Star Wars Amino Republic (talk) 18:40, July 14, 2020 (UTC)
            • Having looked into this, I believe that in the case of Curfew, there was some kind of delay with its release. Even though the announcement was posted on SW.com on the 6th of March, the actual comic was only added to the online viewer on the 9th. Due to this, I think that Rebelscum would be a more reliable source, indeed. I've removed the unneccessary extra ref not in regards to the comic's authors, though, as that info can be found on the first page of the comic itself. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 20:12, July 19, 2020 (UTC)
  • (Reviewing notes) 1) If a manual ref note is used in the infobox death field, mentioning both the time and place of death, then this single note can be used to source both of those parameters at the same time, cutting down on the amount of refs used. 2) Keep in mind that each ref note requires all subjects mentioned therein to be linked, even if they are already linked elsewhere in the article. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 09:30, July 6, 2020 (UTC)

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Approved as a Comprehensive article by EduCorps 19:10, September 11, 2020 (UTC)