Wookieepedia:Comprehensive article nominations/Luko Oorn

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Luko Oorn

  • Nominated by: Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 11:21, January 2, 2019 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: Being my first nomination, I chose a throwaway name from my favourite canon novel.

(3 ECs/2 Users/5 Total)

Support

  1. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 23:14, January 3, 2019 (UTC)
  2. Zed42 (talk) 09:38, January 4, 2019 (UTC)
  3. ECvote Nice work! Imperators II(Talk) 10:44, January 4, 2019 (UTC)
  4. ECvote QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 19:11, January 8, 2019 (UTC)
  5. ECvote MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 05:30, January 16, 2019 (UTC)

Object

Imp
  • Welcome to the CAN! Imperators II(Talk) 11:41, January 2, 2019 (UTC)
  • Release year for the novel, please. Imperators II(Talk) 11:41, January 2, 2019 (UTC)
  • The quote appears to be missing punctuation. Imperators II(Talk) 11:41, January 2, 2019 (UTC)
  • Can the 3 ABY date really be sourced to the novel itself? If not, another reference should be used for that. Imperators II(Talk) 11:41, January 2, 2019 (UTC)
    • In the novel, it happens around a month or two after the Battle of Hoth, which happens first in 3 ABY. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 11:58, January 2, 2019 (UTC)
      • What if the Battle of Hoth happened near the very end of the year 3 ABY? Then the Inyusu Tor stuff would have happened in 4 ABY instead. And does the novel explicitly use the date "3 ABY" for Hoth? Imperators II(Talk) 12:08, January 2, 2019 (UTC)
        • The novel covers the battle of Hoth and then Operation Ringbreaker, which includes the Siege of Inyusu Tor, after. I do see your point with it possibly happening at the end of 3 ABY. I have gotten rid of the date to get rid of the possible confusion over this. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 12:18, January 2, 2019 (UTC)
          • Now it's not specific enough. If you can't provide a firm date for the capture of the facility, just exchange the "later" for "following the Battle of Hoth in 3 ABY" or something to the effect, where you reference the "3 ABY" to the novel if it does mention the date, or another applicable source if it doesn't. Imperators II(Talk) 00:35, January 3, 2019 (UTC)
            • I have done that now.Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 08:26, January 3, 2019 (UTC)
              • Looking at your response at the objections below, it looks to me like the date 3 ABY is not explicitly mentioned in the novel, after all, so you need to write a separate manual reference note where you explain where the novel's events, including the mention of Oorn, lie in relation to the Battle of Hoth, and which source dates the Battle of Hoth to 3 ABY. Imperators II(Talk) 15:25, January 3, 2019 (UTC)
                • Sorted them. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 17:37, January 3, 2019 (UTC)
                  • If the only reference in the novel to 19 BBY is "after the Clone Wars," then you need to provide a source saying that conflict ended in that year. If it provides more specific information, such as the events occurring 13+6 years after the foundation of the Empire or something to that effect, you still need to provide a source for when that happened. Imperators II(Talk) 19:32, January 3, 2019 (UTC)
                    • I have sourced the end date for the Clone Wars to Star Wars: Galactic Atlas in the reference note. If that's ok. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 22:33, January 3, 2019 (UTC)
  • Please provide a bit of context for Everi Chalis and Sullust. Imperators II(Talk) 11:41, January 2, 2019 (UTC)
    • Written a brief description of both. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 11:58, January 2, 2019 (UTC)
      • In the article, you say Chalis created designs for the facility. That implies a bit more specific contextual qualifier can be provided than simply "a subject of the Galactic Empire". I.e., an artist, a designer, etc. Imperators II(Talk) 12:08, January 2, 2019 (UTC)
  • You should use the full name "Rebel Alliance" upon first mentioning it. Imperators II(Talk) 11:41, January 2, 2019 (UTC)
  • As I haven't read the novel myself, I'm going off the Wook articles on this. Our article for Inyusu Tor says it was a volcanic mountain. If that's true, did the Alliance capture the whole mountain or just the facility? If it's the former, link to it upon the first mention of "Inyusu Tor" other than in the mention of the facility in the first sentence. If it's the latter, change the wording accordingly (i.e., "helped the Sixty-First capture the facility" or something to that effect). Imperators II(Talk) 11:41, January 2, 2019 (UTC)
    • As far as I know, it was just the facility. Imperial forces scouted the outskirts of the mountain after. I have changed it now. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 11:58, January 2, 2019 (UTC)
  • Is there an article for the capture of the facility that can be pipelinked to? Is it Siege of Inyusu Tor? Imperators II(Talk) 00:35, January 3, 2019 (UTC)
  • In order for the article to be more from Oorn's viewpoint rather than that of Chalis, you should initially mention that Oorn had in his records a mention of the Sullustan resistance - info which was later found by Chalis. Imperators II(Talk) 02:43, January 3, 2019 (UTC)
  • Now I'm not quite seeing what the last paragraph has to do with Oorn, actually. I suggest just cutting it. Imperators II(Talk) 19:32, January 3, 2019 (UTC)
  • Since we actually have an article on administrators, I believe we should have a specific category for them, as well. Please create one and populate it. Don't worry about including every known administrator in it, just add the ones you're sure about, such as Lando Calrissian. Imperators II(Talk) 19:36, January 3, 2019 (UTC)
  • I don't suppose the novel offers any information on Oorn's fate following the capture of the facility? Chalis just finds his empty office? Imperators II(Talk) 22:59, January 3, 2019 (UTC)
    • Chalis found the office ransacked, "likely by the administrator." There's nothing that says he was still there or had left when Twilight Company liberated the facility. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 23:09, January 3, 2019 (UTC)
Anil
  • Have you checked the novel's audiobook version if the mention is there too? If so, it should be added to the Appearances list, and an audiofile for the quote can be uploaded. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 06:16, January 3, 2019 (UTC)
  • I don't think you should pipelink rebel cell since it's a disambiguation page. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 11:56, January 3, 2019 (UTC)
  • As you asked me in private, I indeed can help you for the audio file from the quote, but I have a question for you. I just read that passage from the novel and I understand that Oorn had an office on Sullust, where he kept his statue, and he apperantly decided to remove it after Chalis's betrayal, but she later put it back. I am not familiar with the novel, so I may have misunderstood it. Anyway, can you check that to make sure there is nothing more to add to the article? I'll upload the audiofile after your response to decide if the following sentence in the novel should be added to the quote or not. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 11:56, January 3, 2019 (UTC)
    • I will update the quote now. I'm adding "I imagine he saw fit to remove it after my betrayal." Thank you for the help. I forgot about that line. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 12:14, January 3, 2019 (UTC)
  • Since the novel and the audiobook were released on the same day, you should add that it is a simultaneous appearance. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 22:48, January 3, 2019 (UTC)
  • Anything in the novel that suggests Oorn was affiliated with the Empire? TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 22:48, January 3, 2019 (UTC)
Zed
  • The "at some point" sounds a bit off to me. Maybe reword that by saying something like "When (Chalis) created designs for the facility, Oorn assisted with the implementation of the designs, and Chalis gifted him a small bust of himself in return."
  • It's been said before, but just checking, is the Battle of Hoth dated to 3 ABY in the novel? Otherwise a separate reference will be needed for that. Zed42 (talk) 09:24, January 3, 2019 (UTC)
    • In the novel, it starts with a chapter based 13 years after the Clone Wars (6 BBY) and then jumps 9 years to about a month before the Battle of Hoth (3 ABY). So technically, it says it's in 3 ABY. If it's the ABY part you want sourced, I can do that upon request. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 09:46, January 3, 2019 (UTC)
  • You said above that the office was ransacked, likely by Oorn. Is it confirmed that Oorn was the one to do so? If not, maybe mention that. Zed42 (talk) 09:09, January 4, 2019 (UTC)
QGJ
  • Was this attack separate from the Siege of Inyusu Tor or are they the same event? If they are the same, then the Siege needs to be linked in this sentence. If they are separate, then an article for this attack is needed. Around the same time, the Sullustan resistance, a rebel cell based on Sullust, attacked the Inyusu Tor facility. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 12:40, January 5, 2019 (UTC)
    • Yes the Sullustan resistance attack was a separate event that took place before the Battle of Hoth. I have created a page and pipe-linked it now. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 13:05, January 5, 2019 (UTC)
      • You haven't slashed the objection yet. Have I missed something? Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 17:16, January 6, 2019 (UTC)
        • No, you've done everything right. I was away on a vacation for the last few days, with no access to the Internet. Sorry for the delay. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 19:11, January 8, 2019 (UTC)

Comments

  • Courtesy of 'User:AnilSerifoglu' for adding the audiofile for the quote. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 19:21, January 8, 2019 (UTC)