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Communication station
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- Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 22:36, April 26, 2020 (UTC)
Fan26 (Talk) 16:05, April 29, 2020 (UTC)- UberSoldat93
(talk) 16:51, April 30, 2020 (UTC)
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UberSoldat
The entire first sentence is sourced to the date reference.Is this is conjectural title? If so, you will need to add {{Conjecture}}.UberSoldat93 (talk) 06:23, April 22, 2020 (UTC)
- It's called Comm Station in the novelization, I expanded upon that to be called communication station (removing jargon), but I suppose GAR would be considered conjecture? I'm not really sure here, if someone wants to clarify. TK-462 (talk) 14:19, April 22, 2020 (UTC)
If it's capitalized in the novel, then you'll have to move the page name to match what's used in it.UberSoldat93
(talk) 15:31, April 22, 2020 (UTC)
- Alright. So it'd be just Communication station? TK-462 (talk) 17:26, April 22, 2020 (UTC)
Only if it isn't capitalized in the novel. If the novel specifically says "Comm Station," then the page name will also be "Comm Station." If it's something general like "communication station," then just use a conjectural page name that you think fits best, like "Communication station (Galactic Republic)" or something else.UberSoldat93 (talk) 17:32, April 22, 2020 (UTC)
- Alright, I'll move the page and the nomination as well. TK-462 (talk) 17:41, April 22, 2020 (UTC)
Now that you've moved the page, you need to reflect this in the article itself.UberSoldat93 (talk) 18:08, April 22, 2020 (UTC)
- Alright, I'll move the page and the nomination as well. TK-462 (talk) 17:41, April 22, 2020 (UTC)
- Alright. So it'd be just Communication station? TK-462 (talk) 17:26, April 22, 2020 (UTC)
- It's called Comm Station in the novelization, I expanded upon that to be called communication station (removing jargon), but I suppose GAR would be considered conjecture? I'm not really sure here, if someone wants to clarify. TK-462 (talk) 14:19, April 22, 2020 (UTC)
Minor reference issue: You've sourced everything before "planet" to the Encyclopedia.UberSoldat93 (talk) 17:32, April 22, 2020 (UTC)
Ben
Can you introduce Christophsis and its context when you introduce the battle. Otherwise you're mentioning the Battle of Christophsis but not saying what Christophsis is in that sentence.Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 14:00, April 25, 2020 (UTC)
QGJ
- Taking a quick glance at the junior novelization, I can see a "comm station" mentioned there, except it's also called a "communication station" as well. Please take a look at that scene and confirm whether it's referring to the same subject. If it is, then I think it's enough to conclude that the full name of this structure is "communication station," with "comm station" being the short title.
- I looked at the book preview on Amazon, and it's called the communication station there, referring to the same location. Since this would be the unabbreviated version, should I move the page to be "Communication station?" TK-462 (talk) 16:25, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
- I would say so, yes. Having looked at the junior novel more closely, I see that it refers to the fight between Obi-Wan's and Whorm Loathsom's forces (during which Anakin and Ahsoka sneak up to the generator) as taking place at the comm station. If this does not conflict with other sources, then the IU portion of the article will have to be expanded based on this information. If this presents a conflict, then the discrepancy should be noted in the Bts. Either way, this should be presented somewhere. Try to get your hands on this book to check it for yourself; it shouldn't be hard to find, especially in digital format. In case you are having difficulties tracking it down, we can talk on IRC, and I'll provide you with the necessary info. QuiGonJinn (Talk) 12:53, May 4, 2020 (UTC)
- I would say so, yes. Having looked at the junior novel more closely, I see that it refers to the fight between Obi-Wan's and Whorm Loathsom's forces (during which Anakin and Ahsoka sneak up to the generator) as taking place at the comm station. If this does not conflict with other sources, then the IU portion of the article will have to be expanded based on this information. If this presents a conflict, then the discrepancy should be noted in the Bts. Either way, this should be presented somewhere. Try to get your hands on this book to check it for yourself; it shouldn't be hard to find, especially in digital format. In case you are having difficulties tracking it down, we can talk on IRC, and I'll provide you with the necessary info. QuiGonJinn
- I looked at the book preview on Amazon, and it's called the communication station there, referring to the same location. Since this would be the unabbreviated version, should I move the page to be "Communication station?" TK-462 (talk) 16:25, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
On that note, there is a whole bunch of young reader TCW books adapting the film and the Battle of Christophsis in particular. Just look at the appearances list of Battle of Christophsis/Legends. Have you checked those as well for a potential mention or visual depiction?QuiGonJinn(Talk) 11:38, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
- The Clone Wars: Meet Ahsoka Tano appears to detail the events that included the comm station, but I can't be sure because I don't have it. TK-462 (talk) 16:25, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
- Ok, I have taken it upon myself to check the YR books listed in the Battle of Christophsis' appearances section. Out of those, I can confirm that this location appears in The New Padawan, explicitly referred as the "communication station," supporting the move to this title. None of the others seem to feature this station. Please keeep in mind in the future that subjects appearing on screen in film are always tricky to tackle, since each SW film, especially TCW is bound to have tons of adaptations. You need to make sure that you have access to those in order to check them for a potential appearance of the subject of your article. QuiGonJinn (Talk) 12:53, May 4, 2020 (UTC)
- Ok, I have taken it upon myself to check the YR books listed in the Battle of Christophsis' appearances section. Out of those, I can confirm that this location appears in The New Padawan, explicitly referred as the "communication station," supporting the move to this title. None of the others seem to feature this station. Please keeep in mind in the future that subjects appearing on screen in film are always tricky to tackle, since each SW film, especially TCW is bound to have tons of adaptations. You need to make sure that you have access to those in order to check them for a potential appearance of the subject of your article. QuiGonJinn
- The Clone Wars: Meet Ahsoka Tano appears to detail the events that included the comm station, but I can't be sure because I don't have it. TK-462 (talk) 16:25, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
- Regarding the above objections, I have moved the page and added in the portion where the communication station was overrun by Separatist forces. After reviewing the Clone Wars film, it appears that the communication station was overrun and the battle simply continued past it. I think that should cover the issues you pointed out. —Unsigned comment by TK-462 (talk • contribs)
- If you take a look at the young readers novel, like I suggested, you will notice that it presents a different scenario. Obi-Wan commands Rex and the clones to retreat from the comm station (...Rex reluctantly led his troops away from the comm station....), while he stays behind to delay the droids (...The Jedi jumped out of the comm station into the street and began slashing battle droids ... Back at the comm station, Obi-Wan fought valiantly against the battle droids.) I would say that this is different enough from the battle simply "progressing beyond the station." QuiGonJinn (Talk) 14:55, May 7, 2020 (UTC)
- I added the events from the junior novel, and expanded the page overall. Does that look better? TK-462 (talk) 19:55, May 7, 2020 (UTC)
- I still have some issues with this. In order to not clutter this nomination page further, I suggest discussing this on IRC. I will be hanging around there in the coming days between 1PM and 9PM UTC. If you come online during those hours and I'm not there, then drop me a note on my talk page and I should be able to hop on for a few minutes. QuiGonJinn (Talk) 13:38, May 9, 2020 (UTC)
- Issues addressed over IRC. TK-462 (talk) 02:08, May 15, 2020 (UTC)
- I'd like to clarify what I said over IRC once again, because it looks like we failed to understand each other. If there are two conflicting sources, the canonical portrayal should be described within the in-universe portion of the article. The contradictory portrayal is described only in the Bts, in detail, in present tense. You can't just lump both contradictory accounts together in the IU portion and just leave a footnote in the Bts saying which is assumed to be correct. QuiGonJinn (Talk) 12:46, May 15, 2020 (UTC)
- I'd like to clarify what I said over IRC once again, because it looks like we failed to understand each other. If there are two conflicting sources, the canonical portrayal should be described within the in-universe portion of the article. The contradictory portrayal is described only in the Bts, in detail, in present tense. You can't just lump both contradictory accounts together in the IU portion and just leave a footnote in the Bts saying which is assumed to be correct. QuiGonJinn
- Issues addressed over IRC. TK-462 (talk) 02:08, May 15, 2020 (UTC)
- I still have some issues with this. In order to not clutter this nomination page further, I suggest discussing this on IRC. I will be hanging around there in the coming days between 1PM and 9PM UTC. If you come online during those hours and I'm not there, then drop me a note on my talk page and I should be able to hop on for a few minutes. QuiGonJinn
- I added the events from the junior novel, and expanded the page overall. Does that look better? TK-462 (talk) 19:55, May 7, 2020 (UTC)
- If you take a look at the young readers novel, like I suggested, you will notice that it presents a different scenario. Obi-Wan commands Rex and the clones to retreat from the comm station (...Rex reluctantly led his troops away from the comm station....), while he stays behind to delay the droids (...The Jedi jumped out of the comm station into the street and began slashing battle droids ... Back at the comm station, Obi-Wan fought valiantly against the battle droids.) I would say that this is different enough from the battle simply "progressing beyond the station." QuiGonJinn
Comments
- Article exceeds the CAN word limit, 334 words. UberSoldat93 (talk) 18:50, May 18, 2020 (UTC)