Wookieepedia:Comprehensive article nominations/Cait

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Cait

(3 ECs/1 Users/4 Total)

Support

  1. ECvote QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 06:51, January 25, 2019 (UTC)
  2. ECvote TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 18:12, February 2, 2019 (UTC)
  3. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 10:47, February 7, 2019 (UTC)
  4. ECvote Imperators II(Talk) 12:48, February 7, 2019 (UTC)

Object

Anil
  • (Not an objection) Keep in mind that short stories are often reprinted in various media, and the Appearances section should cover them all. Also, about the use of the quotation mark in the Behind the scenes, commas and periods always go inside the quotation marks.
  • The FAC stared back at Brand with lifeless eyes; a dried smear of blood across her ashen lips was the only evidence of her trauma. I may be wrong, but when I first read it, I interpreted her as Brand, not the FAC Cait.
    • I don't see how it cannot be Cait. Her lips are ashen (gray) and there is blood on her lips. Cait is dead so it has to be a description of her. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 16:03, January 17, 2019 (UTC)
  • Since the battle of Allst Prime is a conjectural title, it shouldn't be capitalized in the infobox. Something like "During the battle on Allst Prime" should suffice.
  • I don't see any mention of two X-wings in the short story.
  • You can give some context for the battle, like whom the rebels were fighting. Also, I'd like to see some time frame for the battle. According to its article, it took place before the battle on Vir Aphshire, which also occured concurrently with the Battle of Yavin according to Battlefront: Twilight Company. I would probably suggest creating a reference note to manually explain that the battle of Allst Prime took place before the Battle of Yavin. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 14:41, January 17, 2019 (UTC)
    • Done. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 16:03, January 17, 2019 (UTC)
      • A little bit more context for the battle, please. The Sixty-First dropping into Allst Prime to take out the Imperial outpost is a relevant detail, in my opinion. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 00:52, January 18, 2019 (UTC)
      • There is an issue with your reference note. Star Wars Insider 161 doesn't state that "the Battle of Allst Prime takes place before the Battle on Vir Aphshire," it doesn't mention Vir Aphshire at all. You need to source it to the novel and say why Allst Prime must have occured before Vir Aphshire. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 00:52, January 18, 2019 (UTC)
        • Sorry, I assumed the article you mentioned was in the issue, not the Wookieepedia page. The only evidence I can find of the events on Allst Prime being before Vir Aphshire is that Hazram Namir referred to her as a bounty hunter following the battle in the novel. I must have used that as evidence when I created the 'Battle of Allst Prime' article almost a year ago. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 07:59, January 18, 2019 (UTC)
          • I have implemented that reference for now. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 08:00, January 18, 2019 (UTC)
            • Can you please explain what you mean in the reference note? Who do you mean by "It was not known that Brand was a bounty hunter," is it the readers, other rebels, or someone else that didn't know she was a bounty hunter? TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 20:40, January 18, 2019 (UTC)
              • It was meant to be the other rebels. The idea was that because Brand lied to get into Twilight Company and smuggled in her kit, she would have been hiding her identity. However, I have no strong evidence at all that fit together and places the Battle of Allst Prime before the Battle on Vir Aphshire because it may have already been known that she was a bounty hunter and that could have been why Micha Evon looked into her. Therefore, I have placed the chronology as before the Attack on Haidoral Prime in 3 ABY as the little time between that and the Coyerti campaign campaign, where Brand explains her story, is covered. You may be frustrated with me by now but this short story has a very ambiguous time-frame. It is very hard to pinpoint exactly when the events of Allst Prime occurred. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 21:46, January 18, 2019 (UTC)
  • According to the reference note in the Battle of Allst Prime article, the novel can be sourced to place Cait's date prior to 0 BBY. Also, from what I understand that note, Brand is not a rebel trooper at the time of the battle of Allst Prime, but the article currently suggests otherwise. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 21:48, February 1, 2019 (UTC)
    • That reference note has a lot of assumption. I may have written it when I was a newer member of Wookieepedia, but there is nothing in the novel that says Brand is a "well trusted member" during the battle on Vir Aphshire. I have fixed that separately. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 22:03, February 1, 2019 (UTC)
      • That reference note does have some assumption indeed. What I'm saying is if Brand is already a rebel at Vir Aphshire, then Allst Prime must take place before that since she joins the rebels during that battle. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 22:14, February 1, 2019 (UTC)
        • Namir only refers to her as a bounty hunter. So I am unsure of what the rebels knew about her. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 22:20, February 1, 2019 (UTC)
          • Who knows what about her is irrelevant, she is a member of the company at that point, isn't she? So, the battle during which she joined the team must take place before that. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 22:35, February 1, 2019 (UTC)
          • About the latter part of my objection, changing "rebel trooper" to "rebel" doesn't solve the problem. Isn't she a bounty hunter disguised as a rebel during that battle? TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 22:37, February 1, 2019 (UTC)
            • Just a friendly reminder that this one is still here. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 17:49, February 2, 2019 (UTC)
            • She said she "lied" to join Twilight Company and smuggled her kit aboard, we don't know anything more than that. Maybe being a bounty hunter might have blown her cover slightly if the rebels knew that. Does this imply enough for the battle of Allst Prime being pre-Galactic Civil War? Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 22:46, February 1, 2019 (UTC)
              • If it is, then I have a draft reference note for it. <ref name="Date Note">In the novel ''[[Battlefront: Twilight Company]]'', [[Brand]] is referred to as a [[bounty hunter]] during the [[battle on Vir Aphshire]], which happens concurrent to the [[Battle of Yavin]] in the novel. Because Brand lied to join the [[Sixty-First Mobile Infantry]], the [[battle of Allst Prime]], where Cait dies, must have occurred before, where [[Micha Evon]] confronted her about her true identity.</ref>. Should I implement that idea? Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 09:02, February 2, 2019 (UTC)
                • I have just read that chapter, Chapter 32, of the novel, and I think it's safe to assume Brand had joined the Company at that point. Go for the reference note, I'll make some minor changes to it. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 09:30, February 2, 2019 (UTC)
Saltier than Cait
  • Inbrief's first publication in Star Wars Insider 161 should be directly stated in the BTS. Also I'm not certain that the illustrator needs to be mentioned there if the character wasn't actually drawn, but others might disagree.
    • I feel like he needs to be mentioned. Mentioned only article do that. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 07:59, January 18, 2019 (UTC)
      • If I may chime in, I think just saying that the short story was first published in Star Wars Insider 161, which I've just added to the Behind the scenes, should be enough. As far as the illustrator, I personally agree with Code-8, but I'm good either way. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 20:40, January 18, 2019 (UTC)
  • The year of the Battle of Yavin should be included, I think Galactic Atlas is the best source to use for that.
    • I'm not sure how to do that. BBY is clearly before it and ABY is after it. So I am going to make a guess and make it 0 BBY. Let me know if you want that changed. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 07:59, January 18, 2019 (UTC)
      • If I may chime in, again, the history box that describes the Battle of Yavin in Galactic Atlas has 0 BBY as a date near it, but I feel it is redundant to put a year since the calender uses the Battle of Yavin itself as its epoch. Anyway, I've just read the chapter "Planet Vir Aphshire" of the novel, and appearantly the company also heard the news of Alderaan's destruction during the battle. So, I believe saying something like "sometime before the destruction of Alderaan in 0 BBY" would be better as a timeframe. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk)
        • If I may correct that, Namir was on his bunk when the news of The Disaster came out, with no mention of Vir Aphshire. The novel then states that Namir was fighting in the honey fields of Vir Aphshire days later when the news of the Battle of Yavin occurred. No evidence of Alderaan's destruction being during the battle. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 21:46, January 18, 2019 (UTC)
          • OK, then you should go with Yavin. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 21:53, January 18, 2019 (UTC)
            • How do you two want the chronology to be then? Because I am struggling to prove to myself that Cait dying before Vir Aphshire has enough evidence. Should I keep it as before the Attack on Haidoral Prime? Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 07:47, January 19, 2019 (UTC)
              • The reference note should be fixed now. Unless there's something I've missed? Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 06:37, January 26, 2019 (UTC)
                • I still need to know if I have missed something in the reference note. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 20:47, January 28, 2019 (UTC)
                  • First, you need to fix those capitalizations for conjecture battle names as discussed before. Also, according to your reference note, the battle could also have occured in 3 ABY. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 21:03, January 28, 2019 (UTC)
  • I think the Early rebellion against the Galactic Empire should be mentioned in the first sentence, could move the link to the Empire there too.
  • Mention that Allst Prime is a planet.
  • Just curious if the chronological placement of the battle is exclusive to Insider, if not that should be linked to the story in the first reference. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 23:32, January 17, 2019 (UTC)
    • The chronology being exclusive to Insider was a mistake on my behalf. I'm discussing what we can say about it with 'User:AnilSerifoglu' (seen above). Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 16:13, January 18, 2019 (UTC)
  • Sorry I haven't added anything to this for weeks, just got this: the infobox needs to include what little information we know about the timeline in the death field, so that field should read "Prior to 0 BBY, Allst Prime". Commander Code-8 Hello There! 12:39, February 5, 2019 (UTC)


QGJ
  • I have some gripes with ref 2, mainly:
    • Remember that it has to be fully linked (e.g. Hadoral Prime needs a link, as well as a few other words) and contextualized (Brand is missing context)
    • Please avoid using second person pronouns in references. It is considered unencyclopedic. We therefore know that the battle in which Cait's death occurs happens before
    • This part is confusing: because the story covers the majority of the 13 days inbetween. This is because you just mentioned "Brand's back-story" in the previous sentence. I was trying to wrap my head around how her back story can cover the 13 days between Haidoral Prime and Coerti, and still somehow take place before Haidoral. Finally, I realized that "the story" refers to the actual storyline of the novel. You should state that, to avoid confusion.
    • The attack on Haidoral Prime occurs 22 years after the Clone Wars How do we know that? According to which source? QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 12:42, January 22, 2019 (UTC)

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