Talk: Livingston/archive1

Red Links Removed

If you have come here in regards to that. Sorry, won't happen again. And change it back if you like. Though I think it's rather messy, and it was cluttering up the wanted pages. >_< Livingston File:Jedi_Order2.jpg|25px ^{(The Force will be with you. Always.)} 12:16, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

User:Graestan/scratchpad|Userboxes

Nice userboxes. As the creator of some of them, I'm flattered. - Graestan 20px ^{(This party's over)} 14:46, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

• ^_^ Looking at your userpage I could only see the Jedi Historian one, then I remembered your scratch pad. Saved me from having to make them myself. I also got my sig pic from you as well, though even if you hadn't had it, I would have looked for it. *Buys you a beer.* I was going to use the black version as seen on my comment above, but I don't like the look of the black box around it. I'll probably photoshop it at some point so I can use it without it, but I couldn't be bothered atm. - LOL I just realized I also got the yellow/orange box at the top from you too, so cheers! *Buys you another beer.* Livingston ^{(The Force will be with you. Always.)} 14:58, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Tip o' the hat to Atarumaster88, whom I myself have copied plenty of user info stuff from. And plenty of other users, as well. Hey, what would you like to work on for WookieeProject Tales of the Jedi? Greyman and I were wondering what in particular you were interested in, and what your strengths are. I would be most happy to render any assistance, should you need it. Greyman himself is a very knowledgeable and helpful administrator, as well. Just feel free to start a forum on the project page laying out what you'd like to work on. - Graestan 20px ^{(This party's over)} 15:07, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
    • LOL, I just came across Atarumaster's page tonight and added myself to his lightsaber userbox section. It's funny as I created my Vaapad userbox almost exactly as it is now (added ferocity to it), before I saw other users using the same thing. Freaked me out considering it was nearly the exact same format, with the F-VII and the text that followed it. As for the WookieeProject Tales of the Jedi, pretty much I am starting to read/reread the entire EU (or as much as I can get my hands on) from the beginning in chronological order. So I figured I would start looking at the Tales of the Jedi and clean up or add any needed articles as I read the comics. It wasn't until after I decided to do this that I saw your tag on one of the pages for the project, so of course I added myself, as that's what I had planned on doing anyway. I actually got started on it today and did a partial rewrite/expansion on Aarrba, the Daragon Family, Hok and Timar Daragon, and the Shadow Runner. I would really like to work on Exar Kun in particular and get it back to FA standards. I've already done a few grammar clean ups on it, but those were only quick ones that I did on the fly. However, if you guys need me to work on anything in particular just let me know. I majored in English at college and have been an editor for a school newspaper, so I'm pretty good at cleaning up grammar and rewriting things in a more logical and aesthetically pleasing fashion. My spelling sucks though, but fortunately I'm rather skilled at copying and pasting into Microsoft Word. :P I'm rather pedantic and give a lot of attention to small details, so pretty much anything you'd like me to do, I should be able to pull off fairly well. Just let me know. ^_^ It's approaching 2am here, so I'll be heading off to bed soon. Livingston ^{(The Force will be with you. Always.)} 15:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Spoilers

Sorry about that but it could have easily happened as it is on alot of user pages that i have come across none of which have spoiler warnings anyways in future probably better to stay away from user pages as well as the relevent pages if you don't want to be spoiled anyway sorry i didn't think many people looked at my user page and therefore didn't bother with spoiler warnings Dark Lord Xander ^{(Embrace The Dark Side!)20px} 07:44, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

CT Argument/WP:TOTJ

Hey, no hard feelings on the Consensus Track thread. Sorry for the jab; took it personal when you mentioned my lovely userboxes! Anyway, I really appreciate your help on WookieeProject: Tales of the Jedi. Greyman's going to be out of it for a bit, and so I figured you and I could take the reins for the time being. I also wanted to give you an informal invite to my User:Graestan/workshop|workshop, where I will be working on my previously stated projects. I will assume good faith on any edits you make there. Good luck on Exar Kun; he's quite a challenge! - Graestan 20px ^{(This party's over)} 03:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

• That's ok, it was just surprising as your lovely userboxes are exactly the things that I was trying to save, considering I use them myself. Livingston ^{(The Force will be with you. Always.)} 05:53, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Votefarming

Now then, now then, now then, then now. Now then. It may have eluded you during the essential reading of Wookieepedia rules, but we pretty much hate votefarming. To put it in simpler terms, this = big no-no. You have contacted a vocal fanonite and posted him a link to a forum that will decide the fate of fanon on the wiki? You might not have told him which way to vote, but your intent is clear, and we'll have none of that. Consider this a warning, as repetition will instill thoughts of banning in the minds of the administrators of this site. For example: Me.

So, to cut a long story short, cease your political powerplay or dire consequences will ensue. Thefourdotelipsis 23:28, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

• Both of you are overreacting. Vote farming *is* heavily frowned upon, yes, and we do ask people not to do it; but currently we have no explicit policies against it, or even a good bright-line definition, let alone "dire consequences" to rain down upon trangressors. And Livingston, your decision to to react by removing your votes and deleting your userpage with an angsty "What's the point?" is unnecessary drama-mongering. If you think Fourdot is wrong (which, in this case, he is), call him on it or bring it up to other admins. jSarek 04:07, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
• Sorry if it came off as drama mongering. That actually wasn't my intention when I did it. I'm just really sick of all the crap I've seen in the very short time I've been at this board. This is the 3rd time I've been threatened about something I've done only to have another admin come in and say actually this guy is wrong, it's not really against the rules, we just don't like it. If some of the admins on this board don't even know the policies they are supposed to be inforcing, and resort to making threats over them, rather than asking someone not to do it again and showing them the rules where it says they are breaking one, I can only see more and more of this happening in the future. It wouldn't be a problem if I had been on this site for a really long time and knew most of the rules, but I haven't and thus I don't. Therefore if an admin tells me something is against the rules, realistically I have to assume that it is indeed against the rules, otherwise I would have to check in the senate every time an admin told me something I did was wrong. And if this is happening to me, I know it must be happening to countless others as well. And that's just wrong. Livingston ^{(The Force will be with you. Always.)} 04:22, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Well, to be fair, Fourdot is new, and it turns out several other admins were shocked just now when I pointed out we had no such policy. But I can understand your frustration. However, I doubt it's happening to "countless" others, since the number of our contributors who participate in things like the CT is actually rather small, and that's typically where people draw attention to themselves, for better or for worse. Anyway, I would just say don't be discouraged by the fact that an inherently political process like the CT winds up getting somewhat politicized. Just be mature and stick to your guns unless someone's argument actually sways you. jSarek 05:12, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
    • I feel I must apologise for my prior actions, though I was unaware of the fact that we did, in fact, have no vote farming deterrents whatsoever. So, yes, that warning was in fact totally inappropriate. Nevertheless, that kind of action is frowned upon. It's tantamount to me bringing users I know hate fanon out of the woodwork and giving them the link. It transforms the process from "how many votes" into "how many users can you collect?", which, in my opinion, is just plain wrong. But once again, sorry for any agnst I may or may not have caused you, and I hope that little unpleasantry will not deter you from contributing to Wookieepedia in the future. Thefourdotelipsis 05:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
  • The countless others comment was actually refering to user/admins comming by and telling someone that they have broken rules that aren't really rules. But point taken, and thank you for trying to iron everything out. Livingston ^{(The Force will be with you. Always.)} 05:53, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
    • That's ok. Where I was comming from is that this vote will be affecting many people who will have absolutely no knowledge that there was every a vote in the first place. If the vote passes, there could suddenly be this great purge (:P), where certain admins will be visiting these people's user pages and telling them that they have to completely change them or risk being banned, because they didn't vote against a ruling that they were completely unaware of. And since there is nothing on the front page pointing this out, and since I hadn't read any rules against it (and I've read as many rules on this site as I can find), I figured that was the only way I could do so. I did figure that mass messaging would be frowned upon, so I limitted myself to only telling one person a day about it, thus I've only told 3 others about it, and 2 of those were people who had voted on the same issue in the past. If there is some other way to make others aware that issues are being voted on that directly effect their work on this site, I would gladly do that instead, but I don't know of any. However, I have no intentions of making enemies with every admin on this site (or any other user for that matter), so I will of course cease to do so. Livingston ^{(The Force will be with you. Always.)} 05:53, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
• Hey Livingston, I am curious: what situations are you referring to above when you said "The countless others comment was actually refering to user/admins comming by and telling someone that they have broken rules that aren't really rules." As an admin here, I take that thing seriously and I have not seen that type of thing on your talk page prior to the vote-farming incident. If there are specific incidents which you are concerned about, I would like to be made aware of them as I will help deal with them from an administrative point of view, and/or will bring them up with the other admins via other channels. My Wookieepedia.com email address can be found on my userpage. Cheers, Greyman^(Paratus) 14:44, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Once again I think my words are being taken out of context. I said above that it had happened to me 3 times. And since I've only been here for such a short time, if it has happened to me that many times in such a short span, then logically it must be happening to many others (countless was probably a bit dramatic, but I figure there has to be tons of people who edit this site). The first time was over a page edit, before I made a user name. Someone came by and said if I made that edit again I would be banned. Then someone else came by and changed it back to me edit and said no it's fine as it is. I don't know if either were admins, as I don't remember their names, and since many admins don't have anything on their user pages saying that they are admins, it was hard to tell. Could possibly have been a slap happy user threatening a ban, without the power to do so, but when someone tells me I "will" be banned and not "could" be banned, I tend to assume they have the power to do so. But as I know now, that's not always the case. The second time had to do with Dark Lord Xander, but I contacted Riffsyphon and we managed to work it out. I would like to thank you volunteering to sort sucfh things out though, if I have any further problems, I'll be sure to contact you. Livingston ^{(The Force will be with you. Always.)} 03:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Ah, ok. I understand where you're coming from now. Unfortunately, we do have some regular users like that which you've described, and the best advice I can give you (which I give many new users) is to simply ignore that type of junk if you know your edits were correct/done in good-faith. If you ever have a question regarding who is an Administrator of this site you can take a look at our list of administrators. Also, if you want, a good way to get to know a lot of us, as well as other users, is to sign onto #wookieepedia—which is Wookieepedia's IRC chat channel. It was a really good avenue when I first started getting more involved with the site, and I know a lot of other users enjoy it as, for some at least, it helps foster the sense of community that the Admins try to strive for. You'll find myself and other regulars, like Graestan who you've already dealt with, on there quite frequently. Cheers, Greyman^(Paratus) 03:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Blanking user Page?

hi there Livingston just wondering why you changed your user page to say whats the point and then blanked it after you obviesly spent alot of time creating it ?. if it was because of what redemption said don't let it bother you as he has been blocked for his actions. i hope to see you around the place --Dark Lord Xander ^{(Embrace The Dark Side!)20px} 04:28, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

• Hey Dark, thanks for the words of support. I blanked it out because if the No Tolerance vote passes I won't be able to have my infobox or my uersboxes, which for me would ruin the entire page and make it utterly boring. So my "What's the point" comment was saying what's the point of having a user page if I can't spice it up a bit. If the vote doesn't pass I'll put it back up. But if it does pass I won't be able to put it back to the way I originally made it, so I just won't bother. Livingston ^{(The Force will be with you. Always.)} 04:37, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

• don't worry about what they say in the vote one it will never be made that you cannot have anything interesting on your user page only that you cannot have a large story as such other wise about 30,000 (exageration but only slight) angry users will demand it be changed so like i said don't worry what others say restore your user page back to its former glory and if it is passed then together we can revolt against the oppression (joke) but dont get so worried about it they have tried twice before and faild misrably. i hope to see you awsome user page back in action soon --Dark Lord Xander ^{(Embrace The Dark Side!)20px} 04:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
  • • LOL ok you convinced me. I put it back and just added a link to the vote, though I don't think many people will see it there, but I suppose that's the best I can do in this case. Livingston ^{(The Force will be with you. Always.)} 05:53, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

• • Sometimes, when things really get to me, I just stay out of the Forums and work on articles. I know it sounds like I'm trying to shut you up, but I'm not. This is quality advice. There's nothing quite like learning how to work the Wook. Please stick around, and let no one get the better of you. I'm working to find constructive solutions to big problems on here, but in the event that people start to mess with me, there's always plain old editing. - Graestan 20px ^{(This party's over)} 05:15, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the advice. The thing is that since I haven't been here that long, the majority of my work and time on this site has been devoted to setting up my user page. So when I saw a vote (which I only found out about through the recent changes link) that could ruin the only "solid" work that I've managed to do on the site... Well it was rather discouraging to say the least.Livingston ^{(The Force will be with you. Always.)} 05:53, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
      • The truth of the matter is that it wasn't really about you. If you check my earliest contribs, you'll see that I also went through a period of userpage insanity. You'll also see that I became discouraged and left for several months. The latter is something I'd like to prevent you from doing, if at all possible. And as far as your userpage goes, I think you should assume good faith, should the new policy pass. Nobody's likely to be carousing around, defacing all of our beautiful userpages. Just keep making useful contributions, and you'll be just fine. And I cannot stress enough: WP:TOTJ. Everything you can give is appreciated! - Graestan 20px ^{(This party's over)} 06:20, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
• If userboxes are included in the Zero Tolerance (which they probably should be), that still wouldn't apply to Out of Universe userboxes, e.g. "This user supports the Jedi Order." The only ones I can see it actually affecting are the Force forms userboxes, which can easily be adapted to say "This user's favorite Force form is whatever." The zero tolerance rule (should it come about) wouldn't make you have to remove everything from your userpage. -- 40pxdmirableAckbar ^{(It's A Trap!)} 15:09, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Nope, just my infobox which is my favorite part. *cries* Livingston ^{(The Force will be with you. Always.)} 05:53, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Support

Don't menchion it thats what im here for. although in the past we may have had disagreements (the user talk argument) i like to think of my self as everyones friend and if i see someone who needs help or support in some way and i think that what they are doing is right i will do everything in my power to help them. Your thanks is appreacited and if there is anything els you need, what help with, or just want to talk about somthing feel free to leave a message on my talk page --Dark Lord Xander ^{(Embrace The Dark Side!)20px} 06:24, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Warb Null

Hey, I just wanted to thank you for the copyedit you gave the Warb Null. :) -- AdmirableAckbar ^[Talk] 15:39, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

• Very welcome. And very nice article. ^_^ Livingston ^{(The Force will be with you. Always.)} 00:37, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I just feel that it was murder because Ulic struck him down not out of necessity, but out of anger. Murder probably isn't the right word in terms of the definition, but I think something to that extent. It's not a big deal though, and murdered is probably ever so slightly POV. I look forward to seeing you around the WookieeProject TOTJ :) -- AdmirableAckbar ^[Talk] 10:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
    • I understand what you're saying. Anyway, it's not particularly important. Thank you for your help on Null and good luck working on Kun. -- AdmirableAckbar ^[Talk] 12:42, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

2a Fission engine

Don't put "get laid" on the fission engine page, or I will lay waste to your bunghole!

I am C0rnh0li0!! I need T I E for my bunghole!

• You're an idiot. Reread the article. I'm the one that fixed the vandalism.Livingston ^{(The Force will be with you. Always.)} 13:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Please don't post any personal attacks anywhere, not even on your own talk page. Thank you. --Jedimca0^{(Do or Do Not, There is No Try)} 14:02, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
    • I would consider it more of an observation than a personal attack, but noted. Livingston ^{(The Force will be with you. Always.)} 14:09, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
      • Are you threatening me? I guess I was looking at the wrong user. C0rnh0li0
        • (Shakes head) I wonder why I don't post here any more... Livingston ^{(The Force will be with you. Always.)} 00:35, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

A New Newsflash

Did you see what Warmaster 187 has on his page?

I will show you it...

(Removed due to it's inflammatory nature)

You know that there's something in the rules that disallows personal attacks. It sounds a lot like a personal attack.

-- Take action against all enemies! Mecha G 1

• I'm not an admin on this site. I don't even post here anymore. Give Graestan a try. Livingston ^{(The Force will be with you. Always.)} 05:30, 22 June 2008 (UTC)