Talk: Gag23

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Snoke in the Palpatine family

Hello there! While The Star Wars Book does say that Snoke was a strandcast, there's nothing that indicates he was made specifically from Palpatine's genetical material, and therefore that makes him neither a clone or a member of the family. Unless I missed something? --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 09:20, October 12, 2020 (UTC)

The text doesn't say that though. The exact phrasing is "Snoke is a strandcast, an artifical genetic construct concocted by the resurrected Darth Sidious to be his proxy in power." What does it say? That he is a bioengineered creature. What doesn't it say? That it was made from Palpatine's genetic material. You're speculating here. --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 11:09, October 12, 2020 (UTC)
- Again, the text does not say that he is a strandcast of Sidious, just that he is a strandcast concocted by Sidious. It does not tell us whose genes were used to create him. --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 11:31, October 12, 2020 (UTC)
  - Even so, that makes him neither a clone nor a family member, but you asserted he was both. --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 11:38, October 12, 2020 (UTC)
    - And that's the thing: nobody, apart from you, ever said that Snoke was a clone of Sidious. You must be confused with Rey's father, who IS a clone of Sidious and IS referred to as his son in several sources. --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 11:41, October 12, 2020 (UTC)
      - You know what? I give up. I tried to explain everything pedagogically, but to no avail obviously... Let me just warn you that others may not be so patient. (But hear this one last piece of advice: whatever other wikias and Wikipedia choose to do is irrelevant here. You can't use their example to justify anything.) --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 13:55, October 12, 2020 (UTC)
        Don't worry about that, I'm not "upset." It's just that you have to understand, for your sake as a Wookieepedia editor, that we don't allow speculation here. If something is not explicitely stated in a valid source (i.e. something that comes directly from Lucasfilm), we shouldn't include it. :-) --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 14:21, October 12, 2020 (UTC)

Snoke

As Lelal has already said above, nothing in the book says he was made from Palpatine's genetic material. Until a source says as much we can't speculate as to that he is a strand-cast clone of Palpatine/member of the Palpatine family --Lewisr (talk) 14:36, October 12, 2020 (UTC)

Because we only know he created him, we don't know whose genetic material he used. The only thing we can say for now is that he was his master. Maybe a later source will say he was made from Sidious' material, but until a source says as much we can't add it --Lewisr (talk) 15:04, October 12, 2020 (UTC)
- That still doesn't make him a member of the Palpatine family --Lewisr (talk) 15:13, October 12, 2020 (UTC)
  - Because being bioengineered/created by someone doesn't automatically make you a member of said persons family. If it was said Snoke was made from Sidious' genetic material, it is a different conversation, but the source doesn't say that so there's no rel reason to include him as a member of the family --Lewisr (talk) 15:27, October 12, 2020 (UTC)