Talk: Wedge Antilles/Legends

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silly question

Did Wedge ever hold the rank of Captain? If so, should we add him to the Captain Antilles disambiguation page? Silly Dan 01:05, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

• I don't recall a source where he is refered to as a captain. He seems to either be a commander (Hoth+), wing commander (Endor), or general (after Bilbringi, but remained Rogue Squadron's CO) for his appearances. Tycho was a captain, so I think it's fair to assume that Wedge may have avoided the rank to continue leading Rogue Squadron until it was absolutely necessary for him to take over larger responsibilities. I'd say without a source that names him as such, he should be left off the disambig page. --SparqMan 19:54, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
  • In the X-wing comics (for example, Battleground: Tatooine), Wedge is identified as a Captain. Looks like from The Rebel Opposition through Mandatory Retirement he was Captain Antilles, but starting with the X-wing book series (Rogue Squadron he was Commander Antilles. So let's add him to the disambig page.

appearance in episode III?

near the end of the movie, on Tantive IV, or whatever the blockade runner that Yoda, Obi-wan and Organa were on, there is a scene where Organa leads the R2-D2 and C-3PO to a person, who i seem to remember wearing a suit similiar to that of a rebellion pilot, and then telling him to wipe C-3PO's memory, at the time i was quite sure that he called this person 'Antilles', however looking back over it, i cannot be sure, can anybody confirm this?

• This would be Raymus Antilles, captain of the Tantive IV, and not at all related to Wedge.--Eion 18:34, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • There are two Antilles families: One Corellian, the other Alderaanian. Admiral J. Nebulax 13:15, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)
    • Raymus Antilles is the Rebel Commander on Tantive IV whose uttered, "But this is a c-consular shiiipp... (gack)" as he dies at the hand of Lord Vader's Force choke... Commander Darc 03:46, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
      • Excellent! I was very curious about his (non)relationship to "Captain Antilles" of Alderaan.Mikda Fopal

Just to clear things up a bit - Commander in the Starfighter Corps, for lack of a better term, is a title and not a rank and anyone who is in command of a squadron or a fighter wing, no matter what their rank, can, and often are, refered to as Commander. (USAF Ret. Colonal)

Leading Sentence

I really think the Leading Sentence needs to be consistent with other character entries. ie Wedge Antilles (21 BBY - ) was a...blah, blah QuentinGeorge 08:20, 21 Oct 2005 (UTC)

I based the soft lead of this entry on many of the character bios in the New Essential Guide To Characters. Under Associated Press guidelines, a longer piece can have a soft, "global" lead, since the amount of information is so abundant a summary first sentence would become unwieldly. It's not a stub, where a short, hard lead would be appropriate. Why not wait a while and see what others think? DexonColm12:00 EDT, 21 OCT 2005

From Wikipedia Guide to Writing Better Articles- Leads: "The lead section is the section before the first headline... It should establish significances, large implications and why we should care. If the subject is amenable to definition, the first sentence should give a concise, conceptually sound definition that puts the article in context." DexonColm

• That's nice. But this isn't Wikipedia. QuentinGeorge 21:45, 21 Oct 2005 (UTC)
  • Just so there's no confusion, this isn't an attack on your writing. In fact, I think it reads well. I'm just saying it should be consist with all the other character bios, where the first word is the character's name, bolded, and then the birth and death dates in parentheses. QuentinGeorge 21:48, 21 Oct 2005 (UTC)
    • Fixed it up a little. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 21:54, 21 Oct 2005 (UTC)
      • Rewrote lead to conform to QuentinGeorge's request, for the sake of style uniformity. DexonColm
  • I think that the lead which appears here [1] could be combined with the standard "boring" lead. It can be done. --SparqMan 18:06, 24 Nov 2005 (UTC)
    • I agree. It would make it a lot better. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:11, 24 Nov 2005 (UTC)
      • Done and done.TIEPilot051999 18:45, 24 Nov 2005 (UTC)
        • Thanks everyone. DexonColm 2:42 PM, 2 Dec 2005

Young Wedge Pic

There's a nice picture of young Wedge (asking Booster Terrik if he can take the Z-95 Headhunter) on this site [2]. Could someone upload it here into Wookieepedia? I think it would make a nice adding to the article. --Tinwe 20:13, 24 Nov 2005 (UTC)

• It's not really a good picture, however. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:27, 24 Nov 2005 (UTC)
• At least we know it exists. I'm sure a Wookieepedian has that comic available for scanning. --SparqMan 22:29, 24 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  • Well, the image would have to be cropped, however. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:06, 25 Nov 2005 (UTC)
• The whole comic is available here [3]. That particular panel is on page 16, but there are a few other young Wedges to choose from. Just take your pick ;) --Tinwe 16:58, 25 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  • We would need a nice-sized one, nothing too large or long. Just right. Admiral J. Nebulax 19:43, 25 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  • Done. --Master Starkeiller 14:29, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
    • Nice job, Starkeiller. Admiral J. Nebulax 15:51, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
      • Thanks. I picked the most dramatic pic of the bunch. --Master Starkeiller 16:16, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
        • Well, you made a good choice. Admiral J. Nebulax 17:19, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
    • Thanks Starkeiller, it's good to have an image of young "Veggies" here! (Should the nickname be included in the article, btw? After all, it was his parents who called him that... ;) --Tinwe 19:40, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
• It could be, but that isn't neccisary. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:19, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
• Is it me, or does the older Wedge look an awful lot like Tim Matheson? Dexon Colm 2:51 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
  • Who is that? Admiral J. Nebulax 20:55, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
    • He played Otter in "Animal House," was on The West Wing and played in about 16 million TV movies. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001513/ Dexon Colm
      • Figures he's in TV movies... No one knows any TV movie actors... Of course, he was in Animal House, so he's known. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:44, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Add More Biography?

Should something be added about Wedge crashing on Geonosis, fighting off some Trade Federation battle droids, and escaping in an old, abandoned Jedi Fighter?

• Definitely. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:16, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
• Whoa, where's that from?--SparqMan 20:27, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  • Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike. TIEPilot051999 20:28, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
    • You didn't know that, SparqMan? Anyways, back to the point—someone with the game with have to add that in. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:32, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
      • I've never played the game, so, no, I was unaware. --SparqMan 21:17, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
        • I didn't mean it that way, it's just that it has been stated other places throughout this Wikicity. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:22, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
• Also the info from the Tales story Lucky could be added. I don't own it myself though. Eyrezer 22:48, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
• His mission to Kril'dor from Star Wars: Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy too should be in. -Stake black ^msg00:03, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

• How about Wedge's mission to Krant with Leia? ala Galactic Battlegrounds I did not want to add anything to the page without first posting the idea for discussion.

Atarumaster88 17:39, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I don't have the game out right in front of me, but I seem to recall that Wedge narrates the Rebel campaign and alludes to flying over the campaign. Does that mean he was involved? I'm not sure how speculative that is.

Atarumaster88 17:56, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Improvement on Personality

I started a personality section on wedge. most other main characters have one, but he doesn't, so i decided to start this one up. either it will be deleted (which is okay, i didn't spend that long on it, lol) or expanded, which would be better. Thanks. GrandAdmiralParck 23:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

• That's good. Something to build on for sure. -Finlayson 03:39, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Wedge-type character

How is this meant as a character that survives peril but has no backstory? The only times I saw characters named Wedge and Biggs, it's in FF6 and FF7 and in both cases they get killed of during the prologue. If the phrase refers to other Wedge's could you point me to them? (I don't know if the Wedge-type character link is supposed to work, as it gives a strange message when I tried it.)

• Can't explain it any better that the BTS does. I will say characters that get killed that early are more like redshirt characters. -Finlayson 19:09, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
• Here's a real-world example: In the movies Pirates of the Caribbean 1 and 2, there are two idiotic pirates who amazingly survive both movies despite having no real significance to the plot. Hope that helps. Atarumaster88 01:46, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I think that a thing about Wedge is not only that he survives danger, but he survives being cut out of the movies as well. He's pretty much this pilot guy that Lucas throws in whenever he needs a character in the cockpit, so it's just kinda cool to see him there and say "Oh, they brought him back!" - lalala_la

• This seems to be the only place I have seen anyone discuss what a "Wedge" is as far as character development is concerned. A character that is a "Wedge" is one that appears multiple times in a story but never evolves in the story itself. This is a reference to the fact that we see Wedge several times and apparently he and Luke are good friends, but no where in the original trilogy is wedge allowed to evolve or grow or even become interesting as a character. Thus, the character is a "wedge" where they are just placed into a story and they kind of just take up space as a background character that we are not really supposed to care about. This reference is similar to calling a character a "red shirt" meaning that they serve a simple purpose (red shirts are there to die and let more important characters get upset that you killed someone). A "Wedge" is a character that is just wedged into the story to fill in background. I do wish someone would go onto wikipedia and get that important information added before they up and decide to delete the page. Wedge may not be important as a character in episode 4-6, but as a concept he is priceless and is at least as significant as the idea of a "red shirt". —Unsigned comment by 74.176.249.95 (talk • contribs)
  • News flash: the Wikipedia article on the term was deleted five years ago. —MJ— ^{Training Room} Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 15:48 UTC

More images

• Since the last images were added to this article, it has been heavily expanded text-wise and I will continue to expand it. I find it kind of strange that the image in the "Early Galactic Civil War" section shows Wedge at ENDOR! Also, there are barely any images of Wedge from the comics he was in- maybe 1 or two. Does anyone else think this could use another pic or two? Atarumaster88 ^{(Audience Chamber)} 00:49, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Fictional story of the Hoth evacuation?

Does this refer to Marvel Star Wars #78? I was under the impression that that story really happened (that is, in the Marvel continuity). Or is this something that has been ret-conned? (If so, for good reason; the story was more contradictory to established canon than Infinities) Custodes 08:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

• Yeah, it was ret-conned as an in-universe tall tale told by Wedge to new recruits. Cull Tremayne 01:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Spoiler warning

This article needs a spoiler warning.69.26.85.244 03:33, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

• You're going to add this to a lot of articles, aren't you? -- I need a name (Complain here) 03:35, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure that this one needs it. Aren't we past the Betrayal spoiler threshold? .... 03:36, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

And yes i am going to add this to a lot of article 69.26.85.244 03:40, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

• Please don't. We do not use spoiler warnings for information that has been around for over a month. QuentinGeorge 03:41, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

David Ankrum?

According this this [4], David Ankrum dubbed over Denis Lawson's voice. IMDB lists him in ANH as "Red 2," but not any of the other movies. Is this for real? —Unsigned comment by Eggmanland (talk • contribs)

Sole Death Star Survivor

Keyan Farlander's article indicates that he did indeed participate in the Battle of Endor, which would not make Wedge the only pilot to survive both assaults. Can anyone confirm this? The source is cited as Who's Who in the New Jedi Order. - Brynn Alastayr 13:00, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

• The article doesn't mention anything other than Farlander surviving Hoth and Endor. Since Wedge is well established as the only pilot to survive both, it seems likely that Farlander's role at Endor was in a non-pilot capacity, but exactly what he did is anybody's guess. Green Tentacle ^(Talk) 13:05, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
  • The simple answer is that we're dealing not with participation in the battles in general, but in Death Star assaults specifically. Farlander apparently did not attack the Second Death Star itself; he flew in the capital ship section of the battle while Wedge, Lando, Tycho, Farrell, and the others flew through the Death Star's structure to the core. Wedge is therefore the only pilot to survive two direct assaults on the Death Star. Farlander survived one and was nearby for the second. Havac 20:06, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
    • It's a bit of a technicality, but I'll buy it. - Brynn Alastayr 20:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
      • In 'Wraith Squadron', during a discussion on 'the greatest fighter pilot in the galaxy', Wes Janson says that Wedge is the only pilot who has survived two Death Star runs. —Unsigned comment by 195.92.168.163 (talk • contribs)
        • Jake Farrell is also a pilot who could be considered to have survived both Death Star runs as the canon currently stands. While he is ordered out of the second DS by Lando, Tycho Celchu was as well and is still given credit for having survived the direct assault on the Death Star II. If Tycho gets credit for this then so does Jake, which implies that Farrell has also survived both runs. Of course many parts of the original Rebel Assault game are considered non-canon, but according to Farrell's wiki page he IS currently on the list of pilots who made the trench run. 66.169.86.169 10:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

What about luke skywalker. he destroyed both death stars and survived.--Star wars champ 17:23, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

"Blackmoon"

I didn't want to edit this myself without some comment, but during the Vong War, the New Republic's main base was never on Blackmoon itself. In order to imply that the Alderaan Biotics Building was a vitally important site, all command functions were located there. Blackmoon was the code name for the planet because of the massive moon orbiting Borleias, but that codename was only in use for two operations before the fall of Coruscant to the Alliance. A starfighter base containing, among others, Green Squadron, was located on the moon before the Vong blasted it to cinders. From Allston's "Rebel Strike": "Borleias was an agreeable green world..." and later call's Borleias' satellite an "...airless moon." --KnnOs 16:39, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

• Green squadron was renamed & reformed as Blackmoon Squadron and put under Luke Skywalker's command after he came back from his Coursant mission. The Blackmoon codename for Borleias was carried over from the New Republic taking the planet before taking Coursant in 7 ABY. I don't see the problem. -Fnlayson 19:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Gus Tannel

This article misses any referene to Wedge's life on Gus Tannel and the reason why he joined the Rebellion (when the empire took all the citizens of Gus Tanel into slavery) as seen in a story in Star Wars Tales 6 —Unsigned comment by 80.42.88.46 (talk • contribs)

• It covers his life on Gus Tannel (see Early Life section) from canon sources (Rogue Squad comics and X-wing books). SW Tales is ambiguous canon, generally non-canon. The Tales story could be added with the SW Tales taggings. -Fnlayson 17:10, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Gus TRETA is the space station where Wedge grew up and lived until his parents' fuel depot was destroyed (as shown in canon sources like the X-wing comics). Gus TANEL is a moon in the Corellian system where (according to Star Wars Tales 6) Wedge operated as a trader/smuggler for a year or two before joining the Rebellion. I agree that SW Tales is dubious as canon, and reference to it should be tagged. Corellia's Dream 12:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

accent

I haven't played many games that feature a voice role of Wedge, only X-wing Alliance and Galactic Battlegrounds (and Rogue Squadron I of which I never bothered to hear the dialogues). In Alliance Wedge's accent is scottish, however in GB it's not. Anyone who has heard Wedge in other games or sources can verify if he indeed has such an accent? MoffRebus 13:39, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

• I believe in the Rogue Squadron game, he's got an English or Scottish accent, too. --JMM 14:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
  • The actor who portrayed Wedge in the films, Denis Lawson, has a slight Scottish accent, though he used an English accent for the films. In the first film, his voice was dubbed by an American actor. Denis voiced Wedge for the RSII gamecube game, and maybe RSIII as well (can't remember off-hand). So Wedge's accent is either English or American, depending, or Corellian.Corellia's Dream

Eye Colour

The description here gives Wedge as having hazel eyes, as is stated in the New Essential guide to Characters. Technically this is correct, as Denis Lawson, who played him in the movies, has hazel eyes. However, that's hard to spot, so in virtually every one of the books and comics he appears in, Wedge is described as having brown eyes. The NEGC is the only place I've seen the description of hazel. It would be more consistent with overall canon to describe Wedge as having brown eyes on Wookiepedia too. After all, more people have read the novels than have read the New Essential Guide to Characters. I think the description should be altered, but don't know how to add the source reference myself. Any of the X-wing novels would do as a source reference.Corellia's Dream 23:15, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

• Hazel is a shade of brown. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 20:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
• Hazel eyes are light brown/dark golden green eyes, sometimes indefinite between green and brown. In some books, the eyes of Wedge are described as green in others their eyes are described as brown. In The edge of victory II and the EGC are described green. Dennis Lawson's eyes are dark-green in low illumination may look brown, but are dark-green or hazel, not brown. Hazel is right.—Unsigned comment by Bubiba (talk • contribs)

Main Image

Why was the main image changed? I think the old pic was better. Can I change it back? Tarvin Calaan 16:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

• I changed it because this is a frontal view of the character, not a partial side-view shot as the previous image was. And no, please leave it as it is. If other people want to change it back, they can mention it here and it can be discussed. If more people prefer the previous image, then it can be changed back. - JMAS 16:31, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Alright, I guess it's fine. I won't change it. Tarvin Calaan 16:59, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

X-wing vs Tie Fighter: Balance of Power

This is about the comment on Wedge fighting with the Rogues in the Airam sector. I know that the game mentions Rogue Squadron, but I don't believe it mentions Wedge by name. So, it seems like only an assumption that he was there. --JMM 12:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

"Fake" Wedge

The newest Insider online supplement on Hyperspace has info on Colin Higgins as Wedge. Might be a source for some more definitive info than was on here before. Click here. --JMM 18:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Rogue Leader

I was surprised to see that there were few or no mentions of his missions during the Star Wars: Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader game. I added a few to the biography and I may add more later.

MarioGamer 19:04, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Outcast

His page hasn't been updated yet with the information from Fate of the Jedi: Outcast. I was going to do it, but I didn't know what kind of heading to use. If anyone has any suggestions for it, or anyone else wants to do it, leave a message here. --Hobbie 16:24, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Somthing along the lines of helping/doing a favor for Han & Lando or diving into the depths of Kessel would be apropriate. Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever noticed that Wedge seems to go on dangerous runs down long trenches/canyons/tunnels a lot in his fighters? There was the Death Star I, the Death Star II, the canyon on Borleias, the mission to Kile II, the approach to the Balmorra construction yards, the infiltration of the Prefsbelt IV, The run through the spice mines, ect... --Rouge 2 02:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

New Main Image

I must say, good job on expanding the article, but can we change the main image to a closeup of Wedge, or just a better cropepd image of the one that's there now?--Joi Kai Jokes 01:57, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

• I like this image, a lot. It's a film screenshot, which is usually preferable if the character was in the films. Even though it's not a close-up of just his face, it is still a really good shot of his face. It depicts him in his flight suit, which is a pivotal aspect of his character, and furthermore, he's helmetless. That's just my opinion, though. ^^ Menkooroo 02:14, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
  • The only other film shots are of him helmeted -- so the only part of his face that's not covered or obscured by a visor is his mouth. Or of him helmetless at the Endor celebration, but that's worse quality. It's a film still of good quality that shows him without his face obscured. That's why I think it's the best choice for an image. Havac 02:39, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
    • Then can we crop the image to focurs more on his face?--Joi Kai Jokes 16:23, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
      • Why? What's wrong with having an image that includes his torso? Many infobox images are more than simple headshots. It's not as if his face is obscured, or tiny, or somehow lost in the clutter. It's still the focal point of the image. Havac 18:22, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
        • It's just that a big headshot would look nicer, that's all.--Joi Kai Jokes 22:29, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Era Tags

The era tags see to have disappeared from the article, despite the fact that they are still included when you open the article for editing.--Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 21:42, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Star Wars Blog post

Pablo Hidalgo recently blogged about Fake Wedge. I'm posting this here just in case someone finds a piece of unique information there. Stake black ^msg 17:37, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. After comparing it to Pablo's original blog from 2005, the two are almost word-for-word identical. Nothing there to make it worth adding it to the article now, though it may end up in the Sources list if a certain CT passes. —MJ— _Comlink 21:00, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Protect?

50.158.190.123 01:57, August 26, 2013 (UTC) We should lock this page 50.158.190.123 01:57, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

• The page hasn't had an influx of vandalism or anything, so protection really isn't necessary. Supreme Emperor (talk) 02:01, August 26, 2013 (UTC)
  • Indeed, it's not needed right now. With rare exceptions, we don't protect articles preemptively, and there hasn't been any significant vandalism that would warrant protection. That said, administrative eyes are on the page (namely mine, since I am currently acting as caretaker of this article in the author's absence), and action will be taken if needed in the future. —MJ— _{Council Chambers} 06:02, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

50.158.189.212 00:31, September 23, 2013 (UTC) I agree 50.158.189.212 00:31, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

Imperial Handbook

I've added some of the "new" information given on and by Wedge in Star Wars: Imperial Handbook: A Commander's Guide, but I'm unsure of how to incorporate the rest.

His notes mention being shot down over Tieos and discovered by a Repulsorlift company, destroying a Hexostar over Ootoola with the Rogues, and taking down an Orbital Nightcloak (again with the Rogues). The book doesn't give any idea of when these events took place, however. What would be the best place in this article to place them? RogueWhistler (talk) 15:44, 27 March 2021 (UTC)