Talk: The Ultimate Star Wars Quiz Book

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Do not delete this page, this is my first page on Wookieepedia, I have been using the site for years, I wanted to make a page on this book since it did not have a page, thought I could contribute. If the page is unacceptable in any way, please tell me and I will rectify it —Unsigned comment by DarthMassassi66 (talk • contribs)

• The page isn't yet being deleted, but it does need a reliable source or external link added as the verification template on the page states. Do you have a link to a source that can be added? Lewisr (talk) 15:42, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

I can find a link to amazon or something, is that what it needs? If not, what should I put —Unsigned comment by DarthMassassi66 (talk • contribs)

• Ideally, it will need to be the page for the book on the publisher's website, as that is the most reliable way to prove LFL copyright, which should be situated in an "External links" section of the page. I should note that a {{Verify}} tag isn't contestable with a {{Holdon}} tag; it either has the sources or not;; {Holdon} is used to contest active/immediate deletions such as {{Delete}}-tagged pages, so it does have to stay Verify-tagged until all the issues are fixed. Among these issues is that the page was created without any categories, has no infobox, and does not follow the out-of-universe Layout Guide.—spookywilloww^talk 15:47, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Sorry to keep messaging on here; but I don't think that Kempshall has a page on his site for this book, he just has the bottom part of his homepage with an image of the book. As for the rest of the things, I genuinely have no idea how to do them. Could you tell me how? DarthMassassi66 (talk) 15:55, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

• Usually, the company who publishes a book will have a page for it on their website. The company that holds the copyright for the book can be found on the book's copyright page, or usually they'll have their logo, emblem, or website somewhere on the book. This is needed to ensure that it's a Star Wars book that was indeed licensed to be created by Lucasfilm, as Wookieepedia does not host pages for all books relate that contain content on Star Wars as a franchise; we only cover material that can be confirmed as officially licensed. If proof of licensing can't be found, then a page does get immediately deleted after that's been confirmed one way or another. A guide on how to add categories to pages can be found here. The {{ActivityBook}} template is the infobox that needs to be added and completed. The out-of-universe Layout Guide contains the "allowed" sections for Published works, which means that the "Examples of Questions" section is invalid; essentially any section not mandated as part of the standard isn't permitted. Any relevant content should be arranged within the allowed subheaders.—spookywilloww^talk 16:01, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your patience —Unsigned comment by DarthMassassi66 (talk • contribs)

Publisher site

Sorry again, but I cannot seem to find the page for this book on the publisher's site (bonnier books/studio press, it won't allow me to put links). Could you please direct me as to what to do? DarthMassassi66 (talk) 16:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

• Ultimately, what usually happens in these cases, is that another editor will see the verify tag (we check on these very often) and have a look. Or, one of the editors who does a lot of collecting will order a copy of this book, to then check its copyright page by hand. But in the end, if the Lucasfilm copyright can't be proven either of those ways, a page always gets deleted, as Wookieepedia only hosts pages on confirmably licensed material. This is because there's hundreds, if not thousands, of books or pamphlets that outside entities choose to write for Star Wars but that doesn't necessarily mean it's anything more than fanon. If someone finds proof later down the line, pages can get re-made, but they're not allowed to idle if they're not verified.—spookywilloww^talk 16:26, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

So I can't do anything? If not that's fine, at this point I've given up hope anyway DarthMassassi66 (talk) 16:30, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

• If you're not able to find proof of copyright, then no, there's not much to be done unless you find a method you haven't explored to get that information. It doesn't matter how much else of a page is filled out if it's not copyrighted by Lucasfilm; we do not host fan material or unofficial works. Usually someone else on Wookieepedia will order the book out of curiosity just to check for themselves and they'll be able to see, but that usually takes some time.—spookywilloww^talk 16:34, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Would something like this be acceptable:

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I'm not sure this is quite being understood, but essentially, as you can read on the {{Verify}} template, out-of-universe pages may not exist without a "Sources" or "External links" section. The "Sources" section would be for if this book was mentioned in another piece of Star Wars media that commonly announces releases, or maybe starwars.com itself sometimes. The "External links" section would be a link to a product page to an external website (an official website of a licensee). A book citation is not an external link to a product page on a website; it is not a URL people can visit online. As I mentioned, it's highly likely that someone else can order the book and do some exploring to find this information for you if given some time, if it is indeed valid.—spookywilloww^talk 16:48, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Alright then, I'll just let it get deleted, because, as you said, it would take forever for someone to buy and verify it DarthMassassi66 (talk) 16:52, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

• That too, is unfortunately not quite how it works; these pages are given a full seven days for any editor to try to find this information and usually aren't immediately deleted unless someone finds explicit proof of it not being copyrighted and therefore fanon (so, the other way around). As I said, someone may very likely buy it out of curiosity, and there isn't a rush to it necessarily. The tag just stays in place while this process is undergone.—spookywilloww^talk 16:54, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Hang on, if I can cite an Amazon article that says that "Walt Disney" as well as Kempshall wrote this book, would that be ok? —Unsigned comment by DarthMassassi66 (talk • contribs)

• Amazon is a third-party reseller. Like any site that is not a licensee of Lucasfilm itself, generally, no. Amazon is used in extremely limited circumstances due to how the Wookieepedia community's voted on the matter in the past. While release dates are sometimes taken from it, the barrier of proof for it to be used as an independent confirmation is extremely high (which essentially translates to almost never, except for 1-2 edge cases of cancelled books that reputable authors of other licensed Star Wars works have posted about, which due to being cancelled, never had a publisher listing). There's many "Star Wars" related books on Amazon we don't host pages on.—spookywilloww^talk 17:03, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Sorry just saw your second to last message (this will be a bit late as fandom says I've exceeded the 'rate limit'), so it will not be deleted before there is proof of it being part of fanon only? Since on the page with all the info, it does say copyright lucasfilm 2023. Now obviously, you cannot just take my word for it, but when (and if) some curious mod buys it, and sees it, will that get the tag removed? DarthMassassi66 (talk) 17:04, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

• Hi there. The rate limit message is because you're hitting our Abuse Filter due to the external link; it's a safety measure. I'll take a look and see if I can't find a publisher listing. Cade Calrayn 17:12, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
• Yes, the "rate limit" would be what was also bypassed when our abusefilter was spammed with repeated attempts to create this page; normally page creations are blocked before they get to this stage. If your page creations are blocked by errors in the future, spamming "save changes" to submit your edit is not advised. And not quite.
  • "it will not be deleted before there is proof of it being part of fanon only"—this is incorrect; per the text on the {{Verify}} template, the page will be deleted after 7 days of the tag being added, if confirmation is not found before then. If confirmation is later found, it can be undeleted or recreated with immediate effect. If someone from the usual group of collectors lets the administration know they've actively ordered the book and are waiting for it to arrive, it can be not deleted for a short period of time even if that's a little bit past 7 days as an extension of grace. Simply, the reason for the time limit is because we'd end up with a ton of pages that simply sat forever as unverified and probably fake; thus, the community decided a week would be the standard.
  • If someone does buy it and is able to verify it, a number of things happen: firstly being, Amazon still is not considered independent confirmation; it is still a third-party reseller where almost anyone can make a listing with anything, and where numerous books we actively don't host have listings by people who, simply wished to write about the franchise without Lucasfilm's approval.
  • There are currently only a few modern books on the site, both cancelled, that never got publisher listings of any kind. Simply put, it's just incredibly sketchy of a claim that an officially-released publication just... isn't online? So if someone indeed does grab a copy and verify it, and display that proof for everyone else, then sure, the tag would get removed.—spookywilloww^talk 17:13, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Ideally just to note, this entire situation generally is sorted by not creating a page to begin with until/if an external link or Sources listing is found first. Then, that's just added and that alone is enough to justify the page in full; no hassle.—spookywilloww^talk 17:18, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, I understand the sketchiness. To be fair, my internet searching skills are regrettable, it probably exists somewhere. I was just reading back these message logs and I realised how suspicious this is. I will no longer make any changes, and if it has to be deleted, so be it. Thank you for your patience and time.

• I've found an official press release from the publisher announcing the book and several others, so I've cleaned up the page and sourced it to the press release. Thank you for finding this. Cade Calrayn 17:32, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Sick thanks