Restoration
- Cool. I can't wait to get this, since they left a lot of crap out of the game to meet with the shipping dates. -Lord Vader
- Maybe they left it out because it was crap? Just kidding. - Sikon [Talk] 14:49, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
So, are they actually releasing this as a game? Anonymous —Unsigned comment by 65.100.145.224 (talk • contribs)
- No, it will be a free download for owners of the game. Obviously modders cannot redistribute modified copies of the game (or even unmodified, for that matter). - Sikon [Talk] 10:15, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- I know that the HK Factory is in the Telos Military base, but what is in the inaccessible section of the Nar Shaddaa docks?
- If they are making this 'restoration project' then will the wait for KOTOR 3 be even longer.
- no beacuse the restortation produce isn't by Lucasarts, its by fans. Jedi Dude 14:19, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Will it be for Xbox? -Fang the Wise 16:34, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
- No. (at least not right away) --RedemptionTalk
16:50, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
They will probly make downloadble for xbox live
If everything is brought back won't it mess up the storyline for the sequel?!
- There is more than likely no chance it will be brought to XBox. How would they distribute it? CC 0019 10:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
It will most definitely not be available for the Xbox, at least not through any official channels. KOTOR 2 does not support content downloads like the original for one thing, and companies usually don't release fan-made mods. If anything, it might be usable on a modified Xbox (mod chip and what not). --Olioster 01:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
The link to the M4-78 Restoration Project is dead
This is because the page still links to the group's old site. The new site was down, but has just gone up again. However, I cannot edit it in, since the new link hits the spam-filter. Someone please change the link. The new site is at www.m4-78.somee.com Jediphile 23:34, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
- I get the same error. You might need an admin to do it. -- I need a name (Complain here) 23:38, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
- it can be found here:http://www.kotor2files.com. as simply:M4-78.Darth exelton
Back to canon?
When the restoration project is complete, will the cut conent Team Gizka re-added be considered canon again? (e.g. The HK droid factory will be considered canon again)
- Nope. Unfortunately, Team Gizka is a mod team and they have no official standing.–SentryTalk 23:41, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- If only Obsidian would release a patch themselves to make the game complete. After all, we paid them for a complete game. Red XIV 05:47, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed. If this was allready apart of the game, the legitimacy of it being canon or not would't be in question. I also agree with Red XIV. Too bad I lost some cash on this purchase. It would have been nice to have bought the game in a more polished state.64.136.49.228 13:35, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- If only Obsidian would release a patch themselves to make the game complete. After all, we paid them for a complete game. Red XIV 05:47, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Translation
Are there plans to translate the additional text lines pertaining to the cut content into several languages? — Canderous Ordo 23:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, but not until they're done with bugs categorized "minor" and "tweak". - Sikon 07:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Sion/Nihilus Confrontation
I can't help but notice that the article claims the scene involving the confrontation Darth Sion and Darth Nihilus will not be restored -- would it be possible to get a source for that claim? I can understand why M4-78 is not being restored, but I can't say the same for the Sion/Nihilus scene.
- Uh, if you want verify information from the article about this project, head over to the Team Gizka website. That is the only place where you can find such information. It is pointless to ask such questions here.--76.104.136.71 18:06, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Other mods
Are you people aware that there are other "KotOR II" restoration mods, which are allready out for downloading? Skeptical 007 23:02, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Should There Even Be A Team-Gizka Article On Wookieepedia?
Please don't hang me in any way, but I just have to ask this question. There has to be at least a million mods for Knights of the Old Republic 2. I have also seen a good five or six restoration mods, which have allready been released for this game. What makes Team-Gizka so special? Why do they deserve a place on Wookieepedia? Wouldn't that make their place in KotOR 2 seem biased? If they get special treatment, wouldn't the millions of other modders need the same treatment? Skeptical 007 13:00, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
- I sincerely doubt there are "millions of other modders" out there for KotOR II. That being said, I agree that we don't need a Team Gizka article on Wookieepedia. --Imperialles 13:01, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe not millions, but there has to be at least four hundred. FileFront, LucasFiles, etc... They are everywhere. As for the main topic: It just seems weird that Wookieepedia has an article about a modding group. Don't get me wrong. I think they are doing some cool stuff, but they are not doing anything that is unique. Over the past year or so, I saw a good handful of mods that had restored the cut-content. The only difference between Team-Gizka and the others is that the other groups have allready released their mods. Wouldn't they be a form of fan-fiction? If we are going to add Team-Gizka to Wookeepedia, why not add a massive list of other KotOR 2 modders and mods? Skeptical 007 13:15, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
- Just to throw something out there into something to consider, the project was mentioned by Chris Avellone. --Redemption
Talk 14:22, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
- The only issue is that he doesn't mention about what information they are doing is considered to be based upon facts. I agree that he does support the group, but he doesn't go into detail about how the Exile's story proceeds. Another note of importance is that Obsidian is not in charge of Star Wars knowledge. Only LucasArts, LucasFilms, or George Lucas could comment on what is considered to be canon. Eventhough they carry the name 'Restoration', how much of the information that they (Team-Gizka) are implementing can be considered canon? The only people who can tell us that are from the Lucas Camp. With all due respect to Chtris Avellone, the only people who are in charge of Star Wars titles and stories is LucasFilms, LucasArts, or George himself. Otherwords, Team-Gizka is only making assumptions on information that they have found in the game files, and they have not received a play book on how things should be played out. They are just another modding group, and they should be consider under fan-fiction. Avellone also mentions that whatever he says is not considered canon. He is very much aware that he is not in charge of Star Wars canon, and the story for the cut-content could change at any moment. If you want to make the argument about who is supporting who, you may want to consider this: LucasArts has a press release that states all mods at LucasFiles.com are supported. Thus, if we were to mention only one modding team, Team-Gizka, we should consider to add all modders and mods to the KotOR 2 page or Wookieepedia. Why? Becuase the KotOR 2 mods over at LucasForums and LucasFiles have the full support of LucasArts. One group of modders should not be considered more important than the others. They are all fan-fiction. What is good for one group is good for the others. If you add 'Team-Gizka' to Wookiepedia, you would also have to mention almost every other mod that exists for Knights of the Old Republic. Skeptical 007 19:58, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
- Adding information from the TSL Restoration Project into articles and presented it as canon fact would be a problem if we were actually doing that, which we're not. -- I need a name (Complain here) 20:10, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
- Its kind of funny. You canot make an argument against the other key facts, which I bring up in my previous posts. I think some of the other facts I consider are also on trial here. Is one modding group that much important than the others? How does one modding group stand out from the others in a manner, which they deserve to have a Wookeeipedia page? Eventhough the mods over at LucasFiles are supported by LucasArts, why are they not mentioned in articles on Wookeepedia? Some of them have also used cut-content, which the modders have their own assumptions on how they should be implemented. Skeptical 007 20:20, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
- The Chris Avellone interview is what makes this particular mod stand out from the rest. Chris Avellone is the writer of the game so he does have a certain amount of weight into this. He doesn't write canon but he did have an impact on it and did contribute a fair amount of it. No less than Jan Duuresma or John Jackson Miller. I'm sure that if the writer of the storylines for multiple games came out and gave input about certain modding projects, then that project would be here too. Just putting it out there...--RedemptionTalk 03:29, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
- One also cannot ignore the overall scope and magnitude of this project. While not every fanfilm is listed on Wookieepedia, not every mod can be as well. This project is unique in its attempt to "restore" as much information as possible from what was cut from the final project. This is not a simple mod that can be done because it doesn't merely effect a couple of scenes or dialogues, but rather the entire game. Not only that, but as 'Redemption' mentioned, it has caught the attention of at least someone in the "higher-ups". Simply stated: the magnitude and size of the project is what is essentially notable; It is an attempt to recreate the initial vision and to extend the scope of the EU in the way it may have been intended. That is my take. If we eliminate this, we would have to eliminate all the fanfilm listings such as the Pink Five series and Revelations as well. Master Aban Fiolli (Alpheridies University ComNet) 04:45, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
- Just to reiterate: Chris Avellone is the LEAD DESIGNER as well as the principal writer of the game, and he made public statements that backed this specific mod team's restoration efforts. Their mod is also far beyond the scope of any of the other content-restoring mods. This ISN'T fan-fiction; they're restoring EXISTING CONTENT that would have been implemented in a LucasArts approved product if it wasn't for time constraints. Finally, its release appears to be imminent - it isn't vaporware. All those things DO make it unique among KOTOR 2 mods, and in my view fully justify Team Gizka's inclusion here. 63.241.244.1 18:19, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
- Just to point out that Team Gizka's mod has seemed imminent for a few years now. Personally, I think it will be finished, but I could understand if some thought it was vaporware. There doesn't seem to be much actual content available to the public in order to verify it either way. Jenga Fett 14:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
- One also cannot ignore the overall scope and magnitude of this project. While not every fanfilm is listed on Wookieepedia, not every mod can be as well. This project is unique in its attempt to "restore" as much information as possible from what was cut from the final project. This is not a simple mod that can be done because it doesn't merely effect a couple of scenes or dialogues, but rather the entire game. Not only that, but as 'Redemption' mentioned, it has caught the attention of at least someone in the "higher-ups". Simply stated: the magnitude and size of the project is what is essentially notable; It is an attempt to recreate the initial vision and to extend the scope of the EU in the way it may have been intended. That is my take. If we eliminate this, we would have to eliminate all the fanfilm listings such as the Pink Five series and Revelations as well. Master Aban Fiolli (Alpheridies University ComNet)
- The Chris Avellone interview is what makes this particular mod stand out from the rest. Chris Avellone is the writer of the game so he does have a certain amount of weight into this. He doesn't write canon but he did have an impact on it and did contribute a fair amount of it. No less than Jan Duuresma or John Jackson Miller. I'm sure that if the writer of the storylines for multiple games came out and gave input about certain modding projects, then that project would be here too. Just putting it out there...--Redemption
- Its kind of funny. You canot make an argument against the other key facts, which I bring up in my previous posts. I think some of the other facts I consider are also on trial here. Is one modding group that much important than the others? How does one modding group stand out from the others in a manner, which they deserve to have a Wookeeipedia page? Eventhough the mods over at LucasFiles are supported by LucasArts, why are they not mentioned in articles on Wookeepedia? Some of them have also used cut-content, which the modders have their own assumptions on how they should be implemented. Skeptical 007 20:20, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
- Adding information from the TSL Restoration Project into articles and presented it as canon fact would be a problem if we were actually doing that, which we're not. -- I need a name (Complain here) 20:10, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
- The only issue is that he doesn't mention about what information they are doing is considered to be based upon facts. I agree that he does support the group, but he doesn't go into detail about how the Exile's story proceeds. Another note of importance is that Obsidian is not in charge of Star Wars knowledge. Only LucasArts, LucasFilms, or George Lucas could comment on what is considered to be canon. Eventhough they carry the name 'Restoration', how much of the information that they (Team-Gizka) are implementing can be considered canon? The only people who can tell us that are from the Lucas Camp. With all due respect to Chtris Avellone, the only people who are in charge of Star Wars titles and stories is LucasFilms, LucasArts, or George himself. Otherwords, Team-Gizka is only making assumptions on information that they have found in the game files, and they have not received a play book on how things should be played out. They are just another modding group, and they should be consider under fan-fiction. Avellone also mentions that whatever he says is not considered canon. He is very much aware that he is not in charge of Star Wars canon, and the story for the cut-content could change at any moment. If you want to make the argument about who is supporting who, you may want to consider this: LucasArts has a press release that states all mods at LucasFiles.com are supported. Thus, if we were to mention only one modding team, Team-Gizka, we should consider to add all modders and mods to the KotOR 2 page or Wookieepedia. Why? Becuase the KotOR 2 mods over at LucasForums and LucasFiles have the full support of LucasArts. One group of modders should not be considered more important than the others. They are all fan-fiction. What is good for one group is good for the others. If you add 'Team-Gizka' to Wookiepedia, you would also have to mention almost every other mod that exists for Knights of the Old Republic. Skeptical 007 19:58, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
- Just to throw something out there into something to consider, the project was mentioned by Chris Avellone. --Redemption
- Maybe not millions, but there has to be at least four hundred. FileFront, LucasFiles, etc... They are everywhere. As for the main topic: It just seems weird that Wookieepedia has an article about a modding group. Don't get me wrong. I think they are doing some cool stuff, but they are not doing anything that is unique. Over the past year or so, I saw a good handful of mods that had restored the cut-content. The only difference between Team-Gizka and the others is that the other groups have allready released their mods. Wouldn't they be a form of fan-fiction? If we are going to add Team-Gizka to Wookeepedia, why not add a massive list of other KotOR 2 modders and mods? Skeptical 007 13:15, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Flame War of 07
Team Gizka had it's first flame war on it's forums between two of the members who were consequently banned. Tag line: "Remember remember the 4th of December!"
- And what does that have to do with anything? --Redemption(Talk) 04:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
An interesting development on their forum. Nothing more.
Project Update
I'd edit it if I could but unfortunately the editing tabs aren't showing up. The project - as I'm sure the "out of date" warning at the top of the page hints at - is now at Build 1.01b10. Only 5 major bugs are left in their bug list. Should this page not be edited to reflect this?
- Unfortunately right now only an admin can edit this. Drewton (Drewton's Holocron) 22:28, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
- And because Team Gizka updates so slowly - and because they're modders and not official LucasArts - they're sort of low on the priorities list. Got it. Cybrarian 00:20, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Team Gizka released a new trailer on April 4th, but this article is still locked to editing so we can't update it with such information. --Olioster 22:47, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
LATEST NEWS
"Will come when it is done. I have not personally written a single line of code for more than 2 months. You can blame the beautiful woman; she's worth every invective that's been hurled at me in these forums and others.
Feel free to play 1.0b10 - some people felt that not including the community is somehow a sin. So be it. No one officially on the team has ever said "don't play it." It's an incomplete look at what we hope (note that I did not use 'hoped') to achieve. That said it's got some stuff we're damn proud of. The factory is still a mess but we actually only got a really clear picture of what was going to happen there 6 months ago. We've never even said don't use that for your mods of our mod. Go nuts. It's not worth getting upset over something that's out of your control.
I've always considered it strange that people feel entitled to something which is not theirs (or even the teams really.) Your time investment in this project has been and will always be your own, just as the team's investment is. It is not the team's fault that you chose to invest time in hanging around and has not met your schedule.
I largely leave these forums alone these days; the woman in part, but I also feel like it's best to simply disconnect from those that feel that strongly about it. It's a side project for a game. It's not the end of the world to have to go out and live in it every now and again :-)
The project will be finished because I personally have left too many incomplete over the course of my lifetime. I work on it when I have the time and when I'm in the mood to. If that means it's out next week (unlikely) then it is. If that means 2011 then it is. You may claim that we're striving too hard for "perfection." We're not. We're striving for something that we're happy with which is as true for this mod as it is about life in general." - Dashus (Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:51 pm)
http://forums.team-gizka.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5400
Should we create aTSLRCM page?
Seeing as they now have an open beta ( http://www.deadlystream.com/showthread.php?t=339 ) think Wookieepedia could list them?--68.204.30.138 01:44, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
I think so. There is an article about it on arstechnica.com--Jinger 22:10, October 16, 2009 (UTC)