Nature: Comparison to U.S. forces
Would it be safe to make a comparison of the Stormtrooper Corps during the initial phase of the Galactic Empire (New Order) as analogous to the U.S. Marine Corps and the latter phase of the Legacy-era Galactic Empire as analogous to the U.S. Army's Airborne divisions? In this sense, the Stormtroopers started life in the Empire as an elite, autonomous force of the Imperial Forces, but later reconstituted as an integral part of the Imperial Army?--SOCL 19:59, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
- I suppose it wouldn't hurt anything. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
20:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
- Cool. Thanks. I went ahead and added it in a "behind the scenes" subsection. Is that appropriate?--SOCL 20:47, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
20:51, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
- Dont do it their not the elites their the normal infantryLee Starkiller 06:34, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- Cool. Thanks. I went ahead and added it in a "behind the scenes" subsection. Is that appropriate?--SOCL 20:47, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
501st Legion
According to Imperial Commando, the 501st Legion, and stormtroopers in general, are part of the Imperial Army. Has it ever been confirmed that the seperate Stormtrooper Corps was formed immediately upon the reorganization of the GAR, or could it have split later from the Imperial Army? --Bluerock 19:19, February 16, 2012 (UTC)
Imperial Army
Does anyone know the source stating that the Stormtrooper Corps was absorbed into the Imperial Army by the time of the Legacy era? Just wondering because the Essential Guide to Warfare does not mention it. Actually it seems to refer to the stormtroopers as though they were still an independent branch in Fel's Empire. JRT2010 (talk) 23:18, August 8, 2012 (UTC)
Commander Cody Quotes
Are those quotes really appropriate? My own bias aside, stormtroopers were far from terrible unlike a lot of people claim. And Cody seems more like a disgruntled veteran thinking about the "glory days" at that time so I wouldn't really take what he said at face value, especially since the comment about operational effectiveness decreasing, as far as I know only comes from him. - 22:38, October 24, 2012 (UTC) Some SW Fan
I should have also included that the novels Allegiance and the Empire series of comics (just to name a couple of sources) shows that the stormtroopers are far from the dumb recruits Cody makes them out to be. It also seems odd to have those quotes, and the article itself mentioning that the stormtroopers were elite shocktroops at the same time. - Some SW Fan
- As we saw in the films the stormtroopers are incapable to defeat tiny bears who fight with sticks and stones.. And as we saw in EP2 (battle of geonosis) very few clones died and they destroyed fast large numbers of droids, the CIS was forced to flee from one of their strongest fortress worlds, wich had huge droid factories and also a large number of fighting geonosians. Even a large number of jedi didnt had a chance against the relatively "few" in the arena, but the clones did. The CIS did not stand a chance against the GAR. Also we saw some fighting clones in EP3 where they also fought very effective. Now compare that with the Stromtroopers, i know it was said in the books the stormtroopers were good soldiers and yes i know the theory why they do not hit luke and his crew, but that does not explain why they lost so many battles against the rebels and the battle of endor where the ewoks whiped the floor with them like they were nothing. Cody said it because he was kinda sad, because the effectiveness of (Codys Quote) "...an once truly remarkable military force" is really decreasing significantly. I agree that it makes no sense to put that quote in this article. I actually love the stormtroopers and tried to defend them when someone said they are useless but even I cannot say anything against the fact that they are really "weak" soldiers wich is sad, I wish they would be better ones in the films. --Overlord-1138 (talk) 21:33, February 4, 2015 (UTC) cause I find them really cool.
- Yeah, about that, Obi-Wan and even Leia indicated the Stormtroopers were far more of a genuine threat than being incompetent in Episode IV (the former specifically noted that they were, among other things, crack shots, and the latter specifically implied that the Imperial forces deliberately let them escape the Death Star to have them guide them to the secret base.), and if that's not enough, Leia reiterated her views regarding their horrific effectiveness in the Imperial Handbook. And technically, if we're going to claim the Stormtroopers were incompetent just from failing to beat the Ewoks (I really hate that plot point), we'd also have to denounce the Rebels as being incompetent as well. Don't forget it WAS the Ewoks who had them captured earlier (and would have killed them had Luke not used the Force to have C-3PO fly). Besides, even in Episode VI, the Ewoks ultimately were being beaten back by the Empire, and the only reason the "good guys" ultimately won was because Chewbacca and two Ewoks effectively carjacked an AT-ST. And use common sense, if the Stormtroopers truly were as incompetent as you say they are, don't you think the Empire would have fallen far earlier than it did, like, I don't know, how Robespierre's France fell in four years? You should also remember that in the case of Episode IV, the Stormtroopers only seemed to "miss" the heroes repeatedly because they actually were missing on purpose, specifically to lull them into a false sense of security so they could trick them into leading them to Yavin IV (Leia specifically stated that they let them go, and cited that they would have dispatched a lot more if they truly wanted to keep them detained, and Tarkin specifically noted that they let them escape in order to trick the Millennium Falcon into guiding the Empire to Yavin IV after installing a tracking device onboard, and said that Vader's plan had better work.). It's also implied that something similar was in effect in Episode V. Sure, maybe the Stormtroopers weren't quite as skilled as, say, the Clone Wars soldiers, but they definitely weren't incompetent by any stretch. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 07:28, September 23, 2018 (UTC)
- Agreed. Characters like Kenobi and Leia refer to the Corps' effectiveness as a fact rather than mere perception. And numerous EU sources makes it clear that the Stormtrooper Corps was a highly trained elite fighting force, not one masquerading as elite. The defeat at Endor was a shock precisely because stormtroopers usually prevailed and had never known such a loss before. To the extent that they do appear incompetent in Episode VI, that seems to result more from clumsy film-making than anything. Palpatine says he has a legion of his finest troops on Endor and I doubt we're supposed to think he's just stupid. The weird semi-retcon in the form of Cody's grumpy narrative shouldn't dominate the topic. nebulaforceone 4:29, September 23, 2018 (UTC)
Two years of training?
Where did this come from?
Stormtrooper training consisted of two years of grueling exercises—both physically and mentally—that produced elite soldiers
? I know the source is from an Essentials guide, but 2 years? Really? So then how come authors make them terrible? Or am I missing something?Wolfscar45 (talk) 23:10, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
Probably propaganda but it's possible, some portions of the United States Army Special Forces School can almost take two years, all together. DerekFett (talk) 19:03, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
Affiliation?
i think we must added the stormtrroper corps as affiliated to the Galactic Federatium Triumvirate !—Unsigned comment by 177.65.187.77 (talk • contribs)
Not exact...
Why are the degrading quotes by Commander Cody used here?! It is a real battle for stormtroopers to be respected by some fans and writers, but they are as bad a shots as any fool with a clumsy and random blaster that shoots differently than our modern machine guns. And if anything the article should include statements that are proud, objective, or/and revolted by the stormtroopers. And nobody use this time to say everything they can about stormtroopers being lousy shots and pick on the second opinion. This is a valid concern since the Rebels run from the Empire more than they fight them. Whenever stormtroopers shoot, they have pinned, driven back, wounded, or destroyed Rebel heroes and soldiers alike. Very few stormtroopers are actually killed by the heroes of the original Trilogy, and most of the time the Empire is just trying to keep up with their hit-and-run tactics.99.188.36.80 17:07, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
- why not? its a truth that the stormtroopers are very inferior compared to the old clone troopers. Cody is just pissed off cause the empire uses mostly enlisted recruits and some spaarti clones from other templates than jango Fett and this makes the army much weaker, cody also refers them as idiots who lacked any sense of themselfes and their surroundings and he is right about it. --31.18.29.241 23:31, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
Infantry
According to Rules of Engagement: The Rebel SpecForce Handbook (p. 97), the Stormtrooper Corps is an infantry force, which means 'there are no Stormtrooper-crewed tanks, no Stormtrooper artillery units'.
That seems like valuable information to me. Unfortunately, English isn't my first language, so I'll leave the editing to more fluent users.