Talk: Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

Article milestones Date Process Result August 24, 2008 Good article nomination Failure December 2, 2008 Failed Good article nominee
Current status: Failed Good article nominee

Voice cast

What qualifies as a "prominent" voice actor? Is it the actor themselves, or the roles they play? If the former is the case, I have no problem; it's only the latter I'm concerned about. // ~mikah~ 19:04, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

• I would define a "prminent" actor as one of the main charachters but if it can be proven that someone spoke for the game as "Additional voices," they should be listed after those who we know played named parts. NaruHina ^Talk 03:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Spoiler warning??

Revan is the first main character listed and the article pretty much details what happens to you in the game in that short entry. Should there be a spoiler warning? Or have that initial entry reduced? The storyline is one the greatest in gaming, including the plot twist, and anyone reading this article while getting into the game before that twist is probably going to be pretty pissed off... Philby 23:54, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

• Our spoiler policy dictates that, up until a month from the release, the spoiler tag is to be used. This game has been out for 3 years now, so that period is long gone. Also, the entire wiki contains spoilers; we alert users to this fact on the Main Page. Essentially, if it were to work like that, everything would need the spoiler tag: Luke is Vader's son, Palpatine=Sidious, etc. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 00:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

@Jorrel Fraajic: Epic Fail. When you bring up the main KOTOR page, there is no mention of spoilers, spoiler policy, or anything. Way to blow it for me. Whoever's in charge of this page should be fired. —Unsigned comment by Tamaluna (talk • contribs)

• Firstly, these posts are from 2008; better not to revive old conversations. Secondly, he was referring to the Main page, not the KOTOR main page. The actual main page has a warning at the top. 1358 ^(Talk) 20:16, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
  • Because no one ever gets here through Google. This wiki spoiled the plot twist for me when I was looking up a freaking droid. It doesn't matter how long it's been out, there are still people who haven't played it. Revan should be changed to "The Player" on this page. 10:22, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
    • Sorry, but not gonna happen. We are not game wiki, so we will not write articles to please gaming experience. (: –Tm_T ^(Talk) 11:27, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
      • I get that. This is Wikipedia for Star Wars. However, on Wikipedia, for the majority of the article, Revan is referred to as "the player." —Unsigned comment by 24.136.245.55 (talk • contribs)
        • We are not wikipedia. We have spoilers policy and we go by that. No amount of arguing in this talkpage will change that. (: –Tm_T ^(Talk) 05:11, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
          • Sorry, Mr Robot. I'll be good. In fact, I think I'll go tell who the MC is to everyone I know who hasn't played KOTOR but may in the future, because that's how you guys treat spoilers.—Unsigned comment by 24.136.245.55 (talk • contribs)
            • I'd also like to give a massive thank you to this Wiki for spoiling the twist/reveal on another page. All I did was look up the page about the girl who pretends to be 'impressed' when you first play pazaak to see if I missed something about this non-event, and BAM it tells me I'm Revan as soon as I start reading, or even skimming. What's wrong with you? You seriously need to reconsider your policy. Not all of us could or did buy this as soon as it was released for various reasons, and this game will exist for years to come and for new generations to play. Please be considerate. 86.163.215.217 21:43, November 24, 2012 (UTC)
              • First of all, this thread ended in 2011, and several years before that when the "please don't resurrect threads" bit had already been stated. Also clearly in the thread: why this is the way it is. In response, the character's name is Revan. He calls himself "Revan" in The Old Republic and the tie-in novel publicized entirely by this fact. In the title. Towards the end of Knights, Revan gets a sled he affectionately names "Rosebud," which he proceded to use in a race with Racer X—secretly Revan's older brother, Rex Revan. Kreia, some spoony Wizard you'll get to know in the sequel, is a shyster who gives cats medals and scarecrows degrees in Sith theology. Frankly, my dear, Revan doesn't give a damn. He's waiting on unlocking the Mach 6 so he can breeze through the water temple. The game is ten years old and you're on the internet looking at articles related to his game on a website that revels in recording every goddam detail it can. How did that turn out for you? If not to your liking, avoid spoilery sites while playing a story-driven game. You plowed the Titanic into the iceberg, not us. NaruHina ^Talk 07:08, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
              • I pity you, NaruHina, and any other anti-social, semi-intelligent hermits overcompensating on the internet that find themselves resorting to living on Wikis for a false sense of worth. 86.164.31.63 22:42, November 25, 2012 (UTC)The General Public
                • Darth Vader is Luke's father. — DigiFluid^{(Whine here)} 23:00, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, massive well done on the spoilers there. As has been said, what's so hard about being considerate? Wouldn't you rather be nice than rude? BTW, this IS as much a video game wiki, at least the video game pages. You go into great detail about all the little missions, about the gameplay involved, so that's just a ridiculous rebuttal. (Cue stamping of feet in reply and telling me I'm the one in the wrong. Who exactly are they writing this for? Us or themselves?)

• Well, I would like to explain a few things. This is a Wiki. We contribute all the information we have for you. To simply go to a site that you know explains articles in great detail, and expect it to not have spoilers is just outright ridiculous. No, this Wiki is for information regarding the story. We explain everything about that certain character or thing and their relations to the player. I mean, this site is not supposed to be something like an IGN walkthrough, or a 'tip and trick guide'. It's about general information. Much of the information on Wikipedia's page is about behind the scenes work. Not much info on the plot. So of course it wouldn't mention who Revan was. I am not trying to offend you in any way. Just trying to tell what really this Wiki is. LIGHTNING12345678910 (talk) 01:48, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Censorship rating, Australia.

It said M15+ originally, I changed it to PG because I live in Australia and own the game. It's PG, not M. In short, the reference was wrong, and I'm yet to find a correct reference (Google isn't helping for some reason.) Anyway, to sum up, it's PG, not M. Cheers. AHS0KA.

• Until you can prove that it is PG, it stays M as that is what it is sourced as. Please do not change it again until you have proof. NaruHina ^Talk 01:28, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
  • I have the box in front of me as I type this, and in fact it's G 8+, an old version rating which translates to 'PG' in the new system, as shown on this fact sheet here: [1] This site [2] also gives a PG rating. I don't know who came up with M 15+, but even the OFLC isn't that stringent. I can get a photo if you want, but I hope you won't require one. It's not like I have a reason to lie about this. CommanderJB 10:17, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
• I have the 'Best of PC' version. And on the EaW/Kotor disc it says recommended for Mature Audiences (Yes it is OLFC). SoresuMakashi^{(Everything I tell you is a lie)} 10:27, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Maybe it was re-rated for that version, if so, which do we put, or does that justify a sort of Bts section? More work... NaruHina ^Talk 22:56, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
    • All the other game collections I've come across such as 'Best of PC' tend to have blanket ratings for the whole volume, going with the highest and then applying it to each one, which in this case would be Republic Commando's M 15+. If you check I strongly suspect you'll find that all disks say 'Recommended for Mature Audiences'. I believe the game was always intended to have a G 8+/PG rating in Australia. Perhaps it would warrant a BTS note but I'm positive PG is the right one for the infobox. CommanderJB 13:29, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
      • Intentions make no difference to the article; it's what currently stands as the most recent rating that we should be using. // ~mikah~ 19:35, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
        • Agreed with Mikah, you can't source a feeling and the most recent rating is what is used in the article. NaruHina ^Talk 05:15, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
          • It seems to me CommanderJB is right. The 'Best of PC' is a collection of games, not the game itself. And the linked sites clearly indicate a PG rating. -LtNOWIS 06:40, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
            • Before JB and apparently Ahsoka changed it, it was sourced to http://www.gamepro.com.au/index.php/id;37646291;fp;2;fpid;223 which clearly indicates an M(15+) rating for the game in OFLC. I'm not sure what to source it to... this is very confusing and Google is not helping. NaruHina ^Talk 00:18, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
              • It certainly is confusing but can I reiterate please that the "Best of PC" version is an entirely different product and is rated as such by the OFLC, so its rating is bound to be different thanks to the other games in the volume. I would also like to point out that I have a copy of the game, rated very shortly after release (as is evidenced by the use of the old system), and it has an equivalent PG rating. Nor have I ever once seen an M 15+ rated copy anywhere. I find it easier to believe that GamePro got it wrong as it does not match what I have seen in real life, unlike sources which give a G 8+/PG rating, which I have already posted. CommanderJB 01:16, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
                • "Best of PC" games are sold seperately I believe as it is like a platinum title. Regardless, it is still currently rated M(16+) but I will not change it back until a consensus is reached, or possibly the compromise of just sriking it from the page all together. Also, the game is unchanged in the "Best of PC" version, they simply changed their mind about the rating. NaruHina ^Talk 03:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
                  • My apologies, I do not wish to start a heated argument over this, but I don't believe that's correct. 'Star Wars: The Best of PC' is a single product; a 'box set' if you will, sold together, containing six separate games: Star Wars: Empire at War, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Star Wars: Battlefront, Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast, and Star Wars: Republic Commando. They are not sold separately under a 'Best of PC' label. This can be seen on the Star Wars official site [3], GameSpot [4], Wikipedia [5] and anywhere else you care to search. As it is a single product it is given a single rating by the OFLC. This single rating is determined by the most mature content in the compilation. In this case, this is found in Republic Commando. Just because Knights of the Old Republic appears in this resulting M 15+ rated product does not mean it is also rated M 15+. The rating is the maximum rating for the compilation's contents, not the rating for all of its contents. As such, as a separate game, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic remains the PG rating found both on the real-life boxes, the GamesPortal site I referenced earlier, this [6] Gameswarehouse Australia site, this [7] online Australian department store, this [8] retailer, this [9] retailer, and generally every single site on the internet selling the game in Australia as a separate product. If they had re-rated it for the Best of PC version you'd rather expect all new copies to carry the rating, and as they do not I believe this is demonstrative of the fact the original game product, the subject of the article, carries the PG rating in Australia. CommanderJB 13:34, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
                  • Alright, your argument is compelling and I suppose it will have to stay PG. Thank you for clarifying. NaruHina ^Talk 21:20, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Missing creature?

In Dantooine, we can see flying creatures in the background like manta ray-birds. I thought they are Iriaz however it came to be a different creature. Are those flying creatures named? MoffRebus 12:27, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

• Brith. --Redemption^(Talk) 16:10, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Galaxy Droid replacing Galaxy Map

I'm playing and I decided to open the box that is to be transported Mozza. I open it and it is a Rakatan prison and has a prisoner. after talking to him and beating him in a riddle contest I was allowed to leave. when I got out I found that my crew had been moved and a floating druid titled "Galaxy Droid" was in the cockpit. the Galaxy Map is no longer an option.

this droid allows you to go anywhere instantly Taris Endar Spire Dantooine after you found out Malak has bombed it the Rakatan World, and the Star Forge.

all without going through any of the story line.

what is this?

• Its exactly what it sounds like, an in game cheat bot. It allows you to go anywhere (But two of them will freeze your game, the Unknown World is one of them). It appears sometimes though there are ways to make it appear on purpose. So, don't worry, its not a glitch. NaruHina ^Talk 13:37, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

No voice actress listed for female Revan

Only male Revan is listed on the voice acting list, no female Revan.--Darth Dan 012 02:20, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

• It's because she went uncredited and no one knows who she is. NaruHina ^Talk 04:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
  • According to the Voice Over Wiki, female Revan was voiced by Charity James, who is already listed on the page as having contributed "additional voices". —Unsigned comment by 188.104.105.237 (talk • contribs)

Steam

I really object to someone removing the thing I added about it being now available to download from Steam. Maybe it belongs elsewhere in the article, I concede that point, but it should be noted in the article that the game went up for download LEGALLY on September 5, 2009. I would agree if it were suddenly on a Torrent, cause that's illegal, but Steam and the other one (I think it's Direct2Drive) are perfectly legal and the game's presence on those paid, legal services should be noted. I say this because the guy who removed it said it was on grounds that it's against copyright, which isn't true in the slightest. User:Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith 99.240.234.20 22:44, September 12, 2009 (UTC) Edit: I screwed up, meant to have this on its own category. Still me, Taral, not signed in. My bad.

• This man speaks the truth. Steam is a perfectly legal way of paying for and downloading games online. It's the most widely used method of legally downloading games and is becoming more and more popular. Initially the application only sold Valve games (Half-Life, Counter-Strike, etc) but over the past few years other video game publishers have been releasing their games over Steam. It looks like LA finally decided to put KotOR on Steam, along with a few other Star Wars games (BF2, RC). Xicer9^(Combadge) 23:01, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
  • • I'd never heard of Steam before, other than it was an online place for the download of games (assumably illegal), and was unaware that it was, in fact, legit, my apologies for that. Regardless, that it appears as downloadable on a site on the internet is non-notable for the article. In a case such as this, it is no different than stating that KotOR appeared on an illicit download site. NaruHina ^Talk 23:37, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
      • I understand your POV NaruHina. I thought it might be noteworthy, especially sine it's now Vista-compatible and will presumably be Windows 7 compatible (that was a major issue for the KOTOR series, that it could not be played on new PCs). Perhaps where I put it was not appropriate, but I still think that something like that might be placed in Behind the Scenes. But I will defer for now. Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith 14:28, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Redlink Banner

Can we remove it? There aren't any red links, what's it's purpose? I was going to remove it myself and then I noticed a message in the edit code requesting that it NOT be removed. Maybe it's because I'm OCD, but any banner like this takes away from the visual appeal of any page, especially the featured ones. I don't want to sound rude, but I don't think it's worth leaving up for the sake of one person's convenience. I've also got "New Guy" syndrome and don't want to overstep my bounds, but I'm gonna remove it in a few days if there's no reason to leave it.--Trajec 04:51, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

• The user who placed the template there was intending to and has added many links to articles for those involved in production (ie. those in the credits). I don't know if they have finished with that yet but I do know that they have recently been blocked for a while so I see no reason to leave it up; they won't be making many additions to it whilst blocked and it does not have any redlinks in it. Nayayentalk 12:05, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
  • My thoughts exactly. I want to respect the requests of people who put so much time into big articles like these, but as far as I see it, no red links=no red link banner. Now I can finally sleep at night knowing the KotOR page looks prettier...--Trajec 00:37, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

UM

uh real fast if anyone cn help me. i loved KOTOR 1+2 but being original xbox games they wont work on my 360. Is there a way to make them work?

• This link will explain the process. The easiest way is to hook up your 360 to the internet, then you can download emulators for many original XBOX games, including KotOR 1 and 2, which will then let you play them, since they're not inherently backwards-compatible. Hope this helps.--Trajec 01:25, October 14, 2009

First Star Wars PC RPG?

Pretty sure not, since SWG was released in June of 2003, while KOTOR was not released for PC until November. An MMORPG is still an RPG.--Thorvindr 07:24, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Aspect Ratio?

I'm playing KOTOR on my Xbox 360 just now, and I noticed it is in 4:3 (my TV is 16:9). Is there any way to change this? Marshmallow2166 17:54, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

• Try looking on a suitable website and reading the {{Talkheader}} template at the top of the page; this page is not for discussing the subject, just the article. Nayayen—TALK 17:59, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

OK, thanks and sorry Marshmallow2166 18:02, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

page appears to be biased

evrything relating to the choises in the game is all based off of the light side choices you can agree to join bastilla you can kill her you can go the path of the dark side and use the station to destroy the republic and so on somone needs to fix thisSithrebel 05:40, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

• The lightside choices are correct according to canon, as established for games. The alternate darkside choices are in the alternative gameplay section. Cylka^-talk- 05:46, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
• Canonically, Revan does return to the Light Side, and redeem's Bastila. However, I'm sure you already know this.  :) Darth Vispren, Dark Lord of the Sith 16:52, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

The voice of female Revan.

MistressIlona: Knowing Rino Romano voicing both male Revan and Firith Me, Ever wonder if Jennifer Hale(voice of Bastila Shan) was the one who voiced the female Revan?

I mean both female Jaden Korr and female Revan sounded the same.

• She was uncredited. We can't speculate as to her identity. Just because they sound similar does not mean they were the same person. NaruHina ^Talk 20:49, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Remakes?

At my local Apple Store, I saw a bundle of KotOR 1 & 2. Does anybody know if these are updated, or just put onto new discs? Corruption378 04:11, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Remakes?

At my local Apple Store, I saw a bundle of KotOR 1 & 2. Does anybody know if these are updated, or just put onto new discs? Corruption378 04:11, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

• First, don't double post. You won't get any answers quicker if you do. Second, this isn't a question to be asked here. This isn't a forum. User:SarimThiri-Talk page 05:30, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Yavin Station

It should be mentioned in this article that the charachter may travel to Yavin Station. Contributions/143.138.26.178 07:09, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Too much info

It looks to me like there's much too much about the KOTOR comics and The Old Republic game in this article. Those sections are unnecessarily detailed. Some mentions of the connections between these works and KOTOR should be here, but people should just be directed to those articles for some of this. --JMM 03:20, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

The Old Republic release date

Since it is now the middle of May 2011 & there has still been no release date unveiled by Bioware or LucasArts, I feel the first line in the 'The Old Republic' section of 'Metaseries' should be changed to "end of year, 2011."—Unsigned comment by JJFitz3 (talk • contribs)

• Get a source that says "end of the year," please. It shouldn't be too hard. 21:03, May 16, 2011 (UTC)—Unsigned comment by NaruHina (talk • contribs)
  • The Euro edition of PC Gamer for May gives a fall 2011 release date. Also, let's all remember to sign our comments. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 21:21, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Dominant hand.

The article states the player can select their character's dominant hand. I cannot find this feature, is this information valid? If not, shouldn't it be removed? —Unsigned comment by 50.47.156.144 (talk • contribs)

I have the same issue. Is this feature supposed to just be for PC's or what? Because if it's just for PC's, then the article should state that instead of leaving readers confused. Julia-Xe Dax Finitevus the Echidna (talk)

Just clarified that the player can choose which weapon is in the dominant hand. --Rakhsh (talk) 19:58, March 30, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, that doesn't help me one bit. Just never mind. Julia-Xe Dax Finitevus the Echidna (talk)

Infobox: Characters: Voice Actors

I wondered if anyone would agree to add the voice actors of Kotor in the character infoboxes instead of the Behind the Scenes section? --A-Stone 14:27, June 16, 2011 (UTC)A-Stone

• That would mean adding OOU information to IU article infobox, which isn't how we do here, also see here. –Tm_T ^(Talk) 14:56, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Quote for Bastila

That particular quote comes from an arrogant dialogue choice which, given that Revan is canonically a good man following Malak's betrayal, should not be used to describe Bastila's character. --Revan4000 13:42, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

• Please don't remove comments on talk pages. If you realize you made a mistake, just state it. We try to keep on talk pages as historical records, so we don't allow the altering of them. Thank you. :) MasterFred^(Whatever) 14:44, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

First appearances?

Is there any reason the appearances section doesn't have a single (First appearance) tag in it? It has things like (Mentioned only) and (Appears as a ghost or spirit), but not (First appearance). Cevan (talk) 22:04, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

Canon?

Why is this not Canon? —Unsigned comment by 144.138.139.241 (talk • contribs)

• In short, because Lucasfilm have said so. Outside of the main OT & PT films, The Clone Wars TV series, and a few other exceptions, Lucasfilm has declared all remaining officially-licensed material released before September 2, 2014 to be part of the Legends continuity. See Wookieepedia:Canon policy for more info. nayayen★talk 15:12, January 7, 2016 (UTC)

Why?

Why does Tulak Hord have two asterisks?—Unsigned comment by 67.6.0.209 (talk • contribs)

• Per the article "Appearances" section: "Two asterisks ( ** ) denote a character whose first appearance or mention was elsewhere in Star Wars continuity." The asterisks were added to Tulak Hord by NaruHina on August 20, 2008. However, Tulak never "appeared" in any media in and before 2008 (and wouldn't before SWTOR:SoR, as a ghost, in 2014). And KotOR was the first time ever that name was dropped. I guess you came to the same conclusion yourself: the asterisks should be used on him, and I'm going to remove them right away. --NanoLuuke^{Cloning facility} 18:48, 2 November 2021 (UTC)