Talk: Sith (species)/Legends

what happened?

What happened to the Sith species after the Great Hyperspace War? Did Empress Teta's fleet exterminate the species? Or could they intermarried with the Human settlers?

• I was under the impression that they were exterminated after Exar Kun drained the life-force of the entire race in order to sustain himself (or something like that). I don't really know though, and I don't know at the moment where that would fall on the timeline. – Aidje _talk 05:55, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)

No, those were the descendants of Naga Sadow's followers and crew of his flagship. What happens to those left on Korriban, Ziost and the other Sith Empire worlds. Either they were slaughtered by the Republic or they intermarried with Humans. They could also have been relocated to other worlds.

• Yep, "The Fall of the Sith Empire" doesn't explain what happens to the entire Sith civilization left behind when the Sith Lords go to war. This is a civilization that's existed for thousands of years. The Empress Teta forces clean up the Sith fleet but then, presumably, go home. Naga Sadow, of course, escapes.
  • The common consensus, which i tend to agree with, is that the fate of the ancient sith will be the subject of KOTOR III. Lonnyd 11:54, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
• Assuming Kotor 3 ever comes out. Even if it doesn't it can be assumed that something happened because t3 went with Revan to the uknown regions but before that Bastilla programmed him to return to known space if something happened to Revan. The orders were to find Bastilla and if he couldn't he would just have to find someone even if they were Sith. The way i see it there are 3 things that could have happened. 1)Revan is killed 2)Revan is captured 3)Revan gets seduced to the dark side and becomes ruler of the sith.--Dumac 03:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
  • • I was under the impression that those of the race who hadn't been interbred had fled to the Outerim, Wild Space, or the Unknown regions in exile. 204.38.206.78 18:17, 7 April 2008 (UTC)Waw
    • Not sure the Sith would really even 'want' to interbreed with any humans. The only reason Sith would want human blood in their offspring would be if it was of the Dark Jedi that originally met with them. Other than that there would be no point for them to forsake their Sith heritage by drowning out the bloodlines. Besides, I doubt there were many humans in the unknown regions.

Homeworld

Now the NEC says that their homeworld was Ziost? What gives? -- SFH 05:08, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)

• It was always Ziost. Korriban was just where they buried their rulers. QuentinGeorge 05:53, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Then why did every source say that the Dark Jedi arrived at Korriban, and found the Sith? And why did all the other sources say that Korriban was their homeworld—INCLUDING THIS ARTICLE? What is the justification for that retcon? -- SFH 14:04, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)

• It's not a retcon. Every source, including Golden Age of the Sith said the Sith species first lived on Ziost. Korriban being their homeworld is a common misnomer and error which was unfortunately put in this wikipedia too. The reason? Korriban continues to be associated with the Sith throughout their history but Ziost doesn't. (except for Lumiya) so people assume it is their homeworld. But it isn't, it never was, and nothing has been retconned here QuentinGeorge 22:36, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
• A misnomer that even the Databank and CUSWE got wrong? Seriously, go to both of those places, you'll see it states Korriban as their homeworld. And Quentin, I mean no disrespect, I'm not trying to get myself banned or blocked, and I know that we have to accept the NEC, but I'm really having trouble seeing why we should accept a series of retcons just because KOTOR II, a game which was probably released prematurely, made a mistake on when lightsabers were made. -- SFH 22:45, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
  • The Databank is referring to the Order, which WAS headquartered on Korriban. Ziost is from Golden Age of the Sith, the ONLY sources to have the original Sith species. It's not a new invention. It's got nothing to do with KOTOR game. QuentinGeorge 22:49, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
    • PS I'm not going to ban you for disagreeing with me. QuentinGeorge 23:04, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
• I didn't think you would...All right, you convinced me. You've got better things to do than answer the questions of a paranoid Wookieepedian, so I'll stop bringing it up. -- SFH 23:30, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)

the word 'Sith' went on to be used by many dark side organizations not connected with the original Sith species. - eh... The Krath were not the Sith. Please reword what you are trying to say here :/

• Wait a minute. So Korriban is their original homeworld again? -- SFH 14:22, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Hmmm . . . I know there homeworld was probably Ziost but then if the Dark Jedi came to Korriban and discoevered the Sith there then why would there homeworld be Ziost? Did they move to Korriban before the Dark Jedi came?
    • Their homeworld is Korriban, E.N.D. made it quite clear. And yes, before the Dark Jedi came they already had Hyperspace capability. --Sauron18 21:28, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

They originated on Korriban and then moved to Ziost.just like the Hutts moved to Nal Hutta.Darth Fernos 15:59, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

guys lets just say this, they came from one and movedd to the other Jedi master 999 02:13, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Genocide

I've been reading through the NEC, and I haven't found a reference to the Sith Genocide. Is it from their? And if not, where is the source for that? -- SFH 02:42, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Well, I hope they then explain why the Sith people don't appear in later novels. I have observed in Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi - Dark Lords of the Sith and Knights of the Old Republic that the Sith don't appear at all!! This shows that the Galactic Republic and the Jedi probably exterminated the entire species. Probably, the Republic was cruel towards unknown alien species that attacked its worlds or the Sith were so dominated by the Dark Side that they had to exterminated. MyNz 16:00, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)

That still doesn't answer my question. Where is the source for the Genocide? -- SFH 04:23, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Extinction?

Are the Sith extinct, or are they living somewhere else in the galaxy?

• Assuming kotor 3 ever comes out you will get an answer if kotor is even considered canon.--Dumac 03:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
  • According to END they were hunted to extinction, but then again, it's recounting the tale, so maybe a few survived for a while and were then massacred.--Sauron18 03:52, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

The Sorcerers of Tund are Sith, so why should the Sith be cosidered extinct? Although they did go extinct in around the clone wars time (the Sorcerers were wiped out) Also the Sith on thule-what happened to them? Therfore I don't think this should be in the Extinct species section as we don't know for sure really.210.54.106.82 04:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

accualy there is apperantly a jedi pure blood to but the sith and jedi drove eachother to extinction answer your question?-- darth sorran

Picture

Is horrible, can we either get a better pixeled one or a new pic? Jedi Dude

• The picture we have isn't even Sith, it's Massassi. I think we can do better.Darth Ceratis 19:44, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm going to try and find some more pics, I'm not sure if anyone has actually done a clear cut Sith pic to be honest. I'm actually hoping to find a female to see more of a difference between humans and Sith. 204.38.206.78 18:21, 7 April 2008 (UTC)Waw
• The picture is that of a massassi and kissai not even directly a sith, therefore it should not be the listed picture of a Sith.
• I think that a picture of Ludo Kressh should be added to the page as he is basically the only nearly full Sith that we have lots of pictures and information of. The pure Sith that we have pictures of like the pictures of when the Exiles land on Korriban in the TOTJ comics aren't really good enough I think to be good representations of the Sith, but since Kressh looks exactly like a pure Sith we should add him because we have so many pictures of him, and so his appearance will be a good representation of the Sith species.--Obi-wan Jacobi 04:25, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
• What about something like this:

  

  It shows Ludo Kressh and therefore a good representation of the Sith species in a lot of detail....only the face though disappointingly...--Obi-wan Jacobi 04:25, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

How Long Do they live?

How long is the average lifespand? - Darth Fury

• Considering that Marka Ragnos died of old age after reigning cca. 100 years, and that he was (likely) very powerful with the Force, and assuming he was already middle-aged (by normal Sith standards) when he took the throne (it is less likely that he was a youngster or already old), I assume the Sith lived slightly longer than humans, averaging maybe at 85-100, with powerful Sith Lords at about 100-120.

Of course I am merely speculating. 86.104.204.67 21:25, 1 October 2006 (UTC) Rotten

Reproduction

Surely, someone must know how the Sith reproduce? I don't have all the available data on them, maybe it's there somewhere, but I don't know. 86.104.204.67 18:03, 29 September 2006 (UTC)Rotten

• • From everything I've read I've assumed it was just like normal... uh, male and female intercourse and a then a baby. They were crossbred with Humans and the like through Sith Alchemy. As those half breeds intermingled with regular humans and what not I think their race eventually thinned out in Humans. 204.38.206.78 18:20, 7 April 2008 (UTC)Waw

Purebloods

How many Sith of the Sith Empire era were actually purebloods? Whilst Naga Sadow was explicitly stated to have been mostly Human, I would not then consider that all other Sith at the time - like Ludo Kressh, Dor Gal-ram or Simus - were implicitly entirely trueblood Sith. In fact, I would consider it rather more likely that after the arrival of the Dark Jedi that most were either alchemically altered or at least partially Human. Can anyone disprove this theory, or can I alter the article and the "Notable Sith" section in particular to indicate that all but for Adas and Dathka Graush were more likely to have been halfbreeds than true Sith? --Kessel 18:06, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Well thing is, associating the looks of Dathka Gruesh with Ludo Kressh, Horak-Mul, and Dor Gal-ram prooves little difference. Even Ragnos notes that Ludo Kressh was truer to his bloodline than that of Naga Sadow.

The age issue again

Just out of interest, I noted today that Adas ruled between 28,000 BBY and 27,700 BBY. Accounting for time before he became ruler, you're looking at a life span of at least 300 years and probably more like 400 or something. So I just have to ask whether we know whether this is a unique aspect of Adas, or whether all pure Sith had such long lives? Vagrant Lustoid 13:02, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't the other distinctions be listed?

• I noticed that Ludo Kressh, and most of the other Sith, have only 4 fingers on each hand and three toes on their feet. Shouldn't it be included? SarimThiri 11:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Near Humans?

Can the Sith really be called Near-Human? Near-Humans are typically those who descended from Human stock, no? It's pretty clear the Sith themselves are a complete separate species having evolved on Korriban not from a human colony as other Near-Humans did. Though the original Exiles did interbreed with the Sith, this could have been through the dark side genetic experiments that Exiles were banished for in the first place so it's unknown if Sith could really 'Breed' with Humans without this intervention. Just to add I remember seeing somethign saying they were Near-Human once but im currently at work so away from any sources I can back this up with. --Darth Derriphan 12:20, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

• It really depends on the definition of "Near-Human". Though the Sith have not been stated to be descendants of Humans, it is not unthinkable that they evolved very similar biology. However, until a specific source for their classification is found, it would be safest to keep them as "Humanoids". -Nistra^Talk 12:45, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
  • Yeah, There seems to be some confusion with authors if Near-Human means from the Human baseline or just Humanoid in appearance. What I don't understand is for the Sith to have evolved from the baseline Human they'd have to have been seperated from them Millions of years prior to the time of King Adas. Which raises more questions as too who moved them and why place them in such a remote and hard to navigate places within the Stygia Caldera and what are the evolutionary benefits of humans loosing fingers and toes and gaining facial tentacles? --Darth Derriphan 13:07, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
    • I actually think about the same thing regarding the tentacle beards etc, what use would they have been things like that to make them be passed on through the eras, I think they most likely are for sexual selection? Or perhaps they have another sort of sense function in them or show some sort of emotion, but until a source comes out and says what they're for, we can't really write anything.... and besides I don't think the writers of Golden Age of the Sith thought about the evolutionary significance of the Sith species' biological components when they wrote it. On the subject, I think that its best to say that the Pureblooded Sith (evolved on Korriban) are Humanoids, as they are not descended from Humans as far as we are aware, however, the Red Sith or Sith Hybrids (whatever you want to call them) that lived after the Hundred year Darkness due to interbreeding with the Massasssi by the Exiles, I think could be called near Human, as they are partly descended from Humans (or other Near Human species). I think they did evolve in just about the same way as Humans, Isn't there some source that says they might have a connection to an ape-like species that used to live on Korriban? —Obi-wan Jacobi 22:06, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
      • If they can interbreed, they are near-Humans. Mauser^Comlink 22:09, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
        • But they interbred through using Sith alchemy.—Obi-wan Jacobi 22:16, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
          • -Looks like sith are indeed, near-human , the proof of this are the sith-human hybrids, like Simus , and if near humans were only the species that could naturally breed with humans , then the Qiraash wouldnt be considered near humans , fructose=3, MANY , but NOT all near humans could naturally interbreed with Humans, the "true" mandalorians (species) couldnt naturally interbreed with humans,though they are still described as one- there is one article here that I would recommend you to read, sucrose,Hybrid -I think I am going to put this in the near human page,to prevent discussions like this from happening, glucose.:3--Loub 11:11, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
• You missed the part that Sith-human hybrids are down to Sith Alchemy not becuase they are Near-Human and even then there are still plenty of pure blood sith not mixed by means of alchemy so these sith would not be Near-Human, so saying the entire race is Near-Human is wrong. --Darth Derriphan 14:57, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Sith Purebloods (in TOR)

They just today announced "Sith Purebloods"[1] as a playable race. My question is this, do we 1) change the name of this article to "Sith Pureblood", 2) create a section of this article for the very human-looking "Sith Pureblood" sub-species as with Exal Kressh, or 3) create a new Sith Pureblood article? "Pure-blooded" as these characters may be, they seem to be the result of the inter-breeding with humans and do not have the look of the original Sith species. —fodigg ^(talk) | 18:47, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

• I beg to differ. The screenshot they released shows the Sith with all the features of Naga Sadow and the brow of Ludo Kressh. I think the term should be mentioned in the top of the article like the Red Sith name until we get more information. Gratulor - User Page 19:12, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
  • I agree with SarimThiri.—Tommy ⁹²⁸¹ 19:16, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
    • Okay, I made the changes to the intro for now and redirected "Sith Pureblood" to this article. —fodigg ^(talk) | 19:33, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Inuse tag

Hello all,

While we greatly appreciate everyone's good intention to keep the article updated with the most current information, I humbly ask and encourage you all to please respect the {{Inuse}} tag and refrain from making direct edits to the Sith species article. I also ask you to leave and discuss any proposed changes on the article's talk page, or on that of Obi-wan Jacobi, the user who is currently performing a massive overhaul of the article. As always, I am available for questions and comments as well. Thanks in advance for your coopoeration,—Tommy ⁹²⁸¹ 19:42, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Sith Pureblood a separate species.

In an interview with Daniel Erickson it has been confirmed that Sith Pureblood are a separate species from the Sith species (as seen in this article).

"It’s the first time the Sith Pureblood appear in a game, isn’t it?

Absolutely. Actually, they haven’t really appeared outside the comic books before. And what’s interesting is that these Sith “Purebloods” are not in fact of pure Sith blood. The real purebloods are actually a much more alien race. These are Sith that still have enough Sith blood in them that they still have the red color, still have the facial tentacles. So you can see that they are Sith." (Interview located here.)

Alexsau1991 ^{(talk page)} 16:06, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

• Yeah, they're Sith hybrids. We already knew that. —Obi–wan Jacobi ^(Talk) 22:25, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
• Good of him to give us more of a clarification, though. :) —Obi–wan Jacobi ^(Talk) 10:59, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

shadow hand

Under socioty and culture:

"One aspect that originated from Korriban was the position of Shadow Hand; a title that was analogous to that of a Jedi Padawan."

Shadow Hand under Adas was not like Padawan, but was the second-in-command to the Sith Monarch (before the Dark Jedi Exiles' arrival). The Shadow Hand wookieepedia article itself attests to this 96.225.227.190 03:40, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks. This article is currently undergoing a massive overhaul, so nearly everything will be changed—especially the Society and Culture section. Therefore, you may find bits and pieces that are inaccurate as of now. In the future they will be changed, and the article will continue to be improved. —Obi–wan Jacobi ^(Talk) 00:21, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Races

I can see how Massassi and Kissai are races, but engineer and slave? Did someone create a mistake upon writing the article or is this possibly some sort of vandalism? Korsa3 03:36, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

• It's well sourced information, so no and no. (; –Tm_T ^(Talk) 05:09, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Infobox picture

In my opinion this is a better picture for the infobox than the current one Maxattac 01:15, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

• I agree that it is better, however it still shows several non-Sith traits. For example, Sith have pointed, sharp teeth rather than Human-like ones, and small noses with a simian upper-lip. The picture also is only a head-shot. But for now, I guess it is one of the best we have, being of a more realistic quality. We'll just have to wait for more art to come out. I would hope that Timeline 13: The First Dark Sith Lords on Korriban would give us some pure-blooded Sith pictures, but since it's based on the information Gnost-Dural has aquired/interpreted, rather than real-universe information, I doubt we'll see much devaiation from the appearances of Purebloods in SW:TOR, and Massassi will be portrayed as hulking beasts of Exar Kun's time, etc etc. :( —Obi–wan Jacobi ^(Talk) 10:38, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

  • 

I am changing the infobox picture to Thok Rath because it is the best picture we have of a properly pure Sith. Alas, it's not coloured, so it will likely be a temporary picture until Dawn of the Jedi releases more. Cheers. —Obi–wan Jacobi ^(Talk) 09:40, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

New Picture

I think Thok is a good example, but it seems to me that Sek'Nos Rath looks more like a good poster boy for the species.

• • 

• He would be a good example, apart from he does not have 3 digits on his hands like fully pure blooded Sith (which may indicate some sort of interbreeding between Thok Rath's and his time). The picture of Sek'nos posted also only shows the face, where Sith have many other characteristics. I believe the Thok Rath picture will be temporary for now, until we find an excellent representative picture, as Dawn of the Jedi progresses, or Book of Sith releases picture. However, as of now, I think Thok is the best we've got. Thanks. —Obi–wan Jacobi ^(Talk) 05:36, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
• Book of Sith has a good-quality picture of Adas, which would probably be appropriate. --144.173.5.196 11:47, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately, I have yet to see it due to my remote location, but Adas is black-skinned, is he not? That is not typical of Sith. I guess we'll see. —Obi–wan Jacobi ^(Talk) 23:19, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Zego the Scar

Death of Massassi

I believe the deaths of all of the Massasssi that were on the Omen Crew should be mentioned on the page. I forgot what caused the deaths for sure... Yet I believe the book said it (Note the book is the first of the series Star Wars: The Lost Tribe of the Sith)

Darth Solamus 00:42, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Revan: Home planet Dromund Kaas?

How sure are we that this was the Sith species' original planet? We have just the one Revan novel saying that their homeworld was Dromund Kaas, yet almost every other source says they evolved on Korriban. Which is correct? Could the Revan book be retconning other sources, or was it an inaccuracy of Lord Scourge (since the book is from characters' POVs)? Cheers. —Obi–wan Jacobi ^(Talk) 09:19, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

• The Revan novel makes it clear that Dromund Kaas is the Sith's long-lost homeworld, apparently predating their adoption of Korriban as such. Sort of a retcon, more like a revelation.—Tommy 9281 Friday, November 18, 2011, 11:39 UTC

I disagree; we don't have any proof that the believes of Vitiate and his Sith Empire are in the right, it's only the conviction of a group of Sith that live many time later the birth of their species, I believe that waiting for more credible assuncion( maybe in the incoming Dawn of Jedi comics series we have other fact) Korriban must remain the homeworld. (Borin87 14:04, November 18, 2011 (UTC)) Borin87, Friday, November 18, 2011.

• Whether you disagree or not is irrelevant in the face of facts. As stated above, the source makes a clear distinction about the role of Dromund Kaas in Sith history.—Tommy 9281 Friday, November 18, 2011, 16:50 UTC
  • But it's information from a character (in-universe), which I would really consider 'concrete' facts. I mean Darth Bane stated in one of his books that the Sith species were long extinct—he was wrong. I guess I'll keep it in the article until we have more information (i.e. Dawn of the Jedi) that may reinforce or contradict the Revan novel. —Obi–wan Jacobi ^(Talk) 08:48, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
    • Actually, what I will do is clarify it in the History section, showing that it is an "according to" piece of information, like all information that has come out of books like Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force. That way it is accurate either way. —Obi–wan Jacobi ^(Talk) 08:50, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
      • You may also want to alter the infobox. Information provided by Calthlin here indicates certain things that pertain to this article. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 22:06, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
        • Thanks, Trayus!! Will do. —Obi–wan Jacobi ^(Talk) 10:28, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

Some TOR Info

Hiya, Obi-wan Jacobi. First off, I wanted to say that I am really liking what you are doing with the article. Very detailed and very nice. I had been going through some TOR related info and thought about your work on the article so thought I would let you know about it.

1) Naga Sadow had a secret order of assassins called the Sadow'een who killed Horak-mul and had a temple on Hoth where they buried their dead after successfully completing their service. Only reason I mention this is because it might show that the Red Sith were quite spread out if they had a burial ground as far as Hoth.

2) Vitiate's Empire has a pureblood Darth Ikoral who believes in his species superiority. He got permission from the Dark Council to start an expedition to find other pureblood in the galaxy and returned after seventy years after succeeding in his search. However, he has become appalled by the Empire's peace with the Republic and is sickened by aliens within the Sith so he along with his fellow purebloods want to cleanse the galaxy by fire. He appears in a flashpoint event where he leads the Red Reaper to eliminate anyone lacking pure Sith blood and slaughtered several Imperial targets and was targeting Chandrila. Darth Malgus assigns the players to end Ikoral's genocidal campaign during the Cold War.

3) A nice little qute from Lord Scourge that might interest you:

Anyway, I hope those are helpful to you. Will keep an eye out for more stuff and let you know. Take care! Darth Batrus 16:21, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

• Awesome!! Thanks, Darth Batrus! It's a huge story, and I only know parts of the Sith Inquisitor one (as I am playing that currently), so there's heaps to get through. Thus I am very grateful that you have provided this information! And I am glad you are enjoying the article so far :) —Obi–wan Jacobi ^(Talk) 05:21, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

New Main Image

While I love the new main image shouldn't we be using a colored picture of the species?

• • Yup, if you have a picture that shows as much detail as the current (three fingers etc), and is coloured, then that would be great! I don't have Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side (real-life book) yet, but I understand there are some great pictures in there.—Obi–wan Jacobi ^(Talk) 21:12, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
    • Check out File:SWDotJ 3.jpg as one possibility. I think it's far superior to the black-and-white image, although it might need to be cropped. ~Savage 16:50, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
      • Perhaps. What would everyone think about the picture in Book of the Sith that has three head shots of Sith? I thought it was a nice one, and they were all pure-blooded yet showed diversity in the species. —Obi–wan Jacobi ^(Talk) 11:01, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
        • The "Book of Sith" picture you're talking about looks fine to me. But I was wondering: are there any pictures that actually features Sith with only three digits? Even Sek'nos Rath has five of them.--LelalMekha 11:10, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
          • Yup, the main picture of Thok Rath as shown on the article has three digits, there are also some in the flashback pages of Golden Age of the Sith, like this one File:Exodus2.jpg, and also File:Red Armored Dark Lord.jpg. As for Sek'nos, I asked Jan Duursema on Facebook why he had more than three digits and she said "We're thowing a few mysteries out there for you, but as we go along, things like Sek'nos digits will be answered. This is a long time ago and many things are ot as they are later on...". So it's likely some sort of interbreeding, or perhaps back in those days Sith could have 3-5 digits anyway. We don't know yet. —Obi–wan Jacobi ^(Talk) 11:23, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
            • Indeed. So our dilemma is to chose between a nice colored picture and a fully representative one...--LelalMekha 11:27, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
              • Yeah :(. I was hoping that something that would fit both those criteria would already be released in DotJ by now, but alas. We'll have to wait and see, but in the mean time one that doesn't show fingers at all and is coloured could be fine. —Obi–wan Jacobi ^(Talk) 11:35, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
                • I can see the desire to go with the "purest" version of the species, but there are other factors to consider as well, namely, aesthetics (is it a nice-looking image) and wholeness (does it show the entire body). Generally in aliens articles, we prefer full-body, color images whenever possible. We also prefer non-hybridized versions of species, too, though. But the comic cover image has two out of three criteria met (full body, color), while the other proposed infobox images have only one (generally pure form). Two criteria beat one in my book, but I yield to Jacobi as the person expanding the article. :) ~Savage 11:41, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
                  • Fair call. You're right. It would probably be best to use the image you suggested then. I have uploaded the image I was speaking of anyway, but I may place it in a section of the article, or wherever the community want me to. —Obi–wan Jacobi ^(Talk) 11:56, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Sith (Species) =/= Sith Purebloods

Unless I'm very much mistaken, members of the Sith Species were never known as "Sith Purebloods", as the introduction claims. "Sith Pureblood" only refers to the human/Sith hybrid species that survives into the TOR era. 95.150.83.227 01:45, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

• Sorzus Syn refers to them as Sith Purebloods in Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side, in a journal that dates back to the exiled Jedi's first discovery of the species. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 01:54, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
  • Fair enough. It makes things a bit confusing when we've got actual, full-blooded Sith being referred to as purebloods alongside mostly human Sith being referred to as purebloods, though. Uli Talk 19:12, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Reference overload?

Why are all of the sections of this article so chock-full of references? Just reading the first section there seem to be at least three per sentence, and sometimes two or three for a single fact.

It looks really distracting. Is it necessary on this article for some reason?

• Hi, I am aware that it may be distracting, but unfortunately that is the nature of referencing. To make this article as comprehensive as possible, all citations are mentioned where they should be. To say something without citing the information is not proper. Having the amount of citations is also helpful to those who want to read where the specific point was mentioned in the official works. —Obi–wan Jacobi ^(Talk) 11:19, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Sith Species?????????

Are you kidding me!? This is so stupid; a Sith Species! I mean c'mon these crappy comics get more canonicy than the movies, which implies the Sith as being a religion, not a stupid species.KitFisto19BBY 12:13, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

• Please KitFisto, not again... There has been a Sith species in the EU for about twenty years by now. You can't just come here and complain about everything you dislike. If you actually take the time to read the article, you'll see that the Sith "religion" is in fact the result of a fusion between exiled darksiders and the culture of the Sith species from the Calderan Stygia. Now please, stop this and remember talk pages are no discussion boards.--LelalMekha 12:20, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
  • Kit Fisto, this isn't the place for disruptive rants. Any further infractions of that sort will result in a block, regardless of where it occurs.—Tommy 9281 Saturday, May 19, 2012, 17:05 UTC

Alright, who disabled my account- KitFisto19BBY72.37.171.100 20:34, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

• Wikia, probably. You're violating COPPA by giving out information about yourself while under 13. Don't put your age or information unless you're over 13. Cade Calrayn 20:39, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Wow. sorry bout' that, actually, ironically I turned thirteen just a month ago and I haven't been on here awhile. I'll change that once they unblock me;)- KitFisto19BBY76.127.190.72 22:05, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Grotthu

I am holding the book of sith in my hands, and there is a huge error on this page. It refers to the Grotthu as a sith caste and sub-species, but they are far from it. Grotthu is a term used to refer to the various slaves of the sith from various species. I am going to fix it up, I just wanted to give a heads up before I did. ralok (talk) 01:13, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

• I also think that the paragraphs on the various sith castes should be cut down to 1-3 sentences with the majority of the information being on the castes main page. ralok (talk) 01:17, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
  • That wasn't an error in the sense of it being a mistake. What you've found is a retcon. The fact that the slaves were called Grotthu does not mean there wasn't also a caste of the same name. The sources in the section you removed, Tales of the Jedi: The Fall of the Sith Empire and Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi — The Golden Age of the Sith, should be checked to see if they really mention a Sith Caste with the same name. Their pages say nothing about it the Appearances. NaruHina ^Talk 01:55, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Again you have edited my comments without my permission, do it one more time and we are going to have a serious issue here! The term "Grotthu" was used to refer to non-sith slaves at the time of the Exiles arrival on Korriban (as the book of sith section is written by one of the exiles, and it might surprise you to learn there was species other than sith amongst the sith worlds). the sith slaves seen in those other works are not referred to as Grotthu it is specified in the book of sith that Grotthu is an scornful epithet. There is no indication that this term is applied to slaves of the sith species, I personally find it likely that they ARE but there is no direct evidence of that. . . it seems though that any member of any species that is a slave of the sith is grotthu. . . and thus is not a caste of the sith species, but rather a social role in their society. ralok (talk) 02:26, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

• I put in a bullet to separate the comment because you wanted it to be separate, indicated by the return and second signature you put in the edit field. If you want a comment to be separated—and each new comment needs to be separated—it requires either a bullet or two returns, otherwise it will just ride on the end as it did before. I used a bullet because you were building on what you said before. Do not threaten me. I haven't changed your comment at all. NaruHina ^Talk 02:57, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Now then, I'm not disputing what the book says. I'm saying that in a comic book that preceded the Book of Sith, it was apparently stated that there was a Sith caste called the Grotthu. The analysis of their hands lends credence to this, but I do not have the source to check myself. Both Grotthu the caste and the Grotthu slaves can exist. NaruHina ^Talk 02:57, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

• you are missing the point though, it WASNT stated in any of those comics, I have just recently read those comics . . . the word Grotthu was created for book of sith, as a general word for slaves of any species within the sith empire. ralok (talk) 03:01, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

• Sith are likely able to be Grotthu as the term doesnt apply to specific species, but at no point is the term actually applied to a Sith caste. It seems to just be a catch-all term for slaves of any type found amongst the sith. ralok (talk) 03:07, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

• Grotthu, just seems to be a derogatory sith word for "slave" and that is all, I cant find anything else supporting it having any other meaning. ralok (talk) 03:14, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
  • Please, if the conversation is active and you have reason to believe I'm online, don't leave three messages. You edit conflicted me and I ended up having to rewrite my entire response. Also, you're allowed to tack on extra sentences of comment to the end of one you just made. You don't have to post three times in a row. OK. I went through the revision history of the page and the addition of "Grotthu" does coincide with the release of Book of Sith and was indeed incorrect. However, before that, it was listed simply as "Slave Caste." From what you said, I take it that a caste of slave Sith did appear in the comic books? If that's the case, the section should be replaced under the old title. Tht was a good catch, Ralok. NaruHina ^Talk 03:21, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Is there anything indicating that the slaves are a separate caste??? They can simply be slaves from the existing castes, or castes unrevealed (there seems to be some holes in the sith caste system). Maybe there should just be a section for "slaves" detailing how slaves are treated and called in sith society, and how this extends to their own species as well??? ralok (talk) 03:39, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

I added the info on slaves to the caste list, it is everything I know about with slavery and the sith species up until the golden age of the sith comic. I listed the species they have as slaves, the fact that red sith are found as slaves, and that slaves are reffered to as Grothu all while avoiding anything specific that would imply caste status of the red sith slaves, or the Grotthu term being a caste-term. I hope i did good. ralok (talk) 03:48, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

why did my edits get removed?

All I did was make things more accurate, what did I do wrong to deserve my edits being stricken from the page? Just because something is followed by blue numbers does not make it accurate! I checked the sources for that information, it was wrong and they didnt support the information on the page. ralok (talk) 04:26, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Last time I try to fix the pages accuracy, if you people insist on posting fanon with false sources I am not going to stop you (but I may keep arguing about it). ralok (talk) 04:54, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Your most recent revisions have been restored. GhostUser (talk) 17:50, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Overuse of "Pureblood" pictures

This is also a huge labeling issue - this is going to need a lot of correction here and in articles related to individuals that have been called "Sith," flatly.

It should be noted that "pureblood" as used by SW:TOR is a misnomer, used by individuals with a certain appearance to elevate themselves. They aren't actually pureblooded Sith - they are human hybrids whose human parents, having trace amounts of Sith blood in their veins, give birth to a child with very muted Sith qualities. But they are still essentially human.

The Sith species, proper, is almost equine in appearance. Their faces are often elongated, their spikes/ridges/tentacles much more prominent. And there is a vast amount of variation between castes. The Sith shown here simply are not Sith species, proper.

I think that needs to be pointed out more specifically. The Sith species is extinct as of SW:TOR, bar a few individuals - what we see is the expression of lingering genetics from ancient cross-breeding.

It's similar to when you see a Middle Eastern person with blue eyes, thanks to Alexander's conquest two thousand years ago. You wouldn't call that person Greek.209.91.141.58 18:56, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

This article is very mistaken. It uses a lot of references to "Purebloods" from SW:TOR, who are actually humans with a Sith genetics from cross-breeding millenia ago expressing certain traits. But they're still humans. Not the Sith species. 70.76.99.169 12:42, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

SW:TOR's Sith Empire is not 98% Sith species

98% had a little Sith blood from cross-breeding millenia ago, but they were still completely human in appearance. It was only a scant few who had any Sith traits express themselves, such as the Red skin or tentacles.

This article needs an overhaul, separating the Sith species (which is extinct, bar a few exceptions such as the Massassi), and the Sith Purebloods, who are humans with certain Sith species traits.

There is a huge difference. I think a lot of people have been misled by the term "Pureblood" and took that to mean, literally, that they were pure Sith. They are not. They are hybrids. —Unsigned comment by 209.91.141.58 (talk • contribs)

• The whole "Hybridization" subsection is there for a reason, don't you think? Also, please remember to sign all your messages with with four "tilde" characters so that we know who you are. --LelalMekha (talk) 13:47, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

• The hybridization section is great, but I don't think that its existence justifies treating the history of the Sith species with humans who contain trace amounts of Sith genes. The history of what is essentially a human culture has been melded with the history of a distinct species. It's quite confusing.70.76.99.169 21:41, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

• Precisely. Take a look at the Arkanian article - does it detail and intermingle with the history of the Arkanian Offshoots? Of course not. Why are a species and its offshoot treated as the same thing here, note on hybridization or not? 209.91.141.58 15:46, April 29, 2013 (UTC)

• Too much work to separate them now and no one wants to do it, I guess.209.91.141.58 19:29, May 1, 2013 (UTC)