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This article was originally taken from Wikipedia:Sequel trilogy (Star Wars). Much credit goes to User:Adamwankenobi, one of the major contributors to that article (as "The Wookieepedian").

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Also..

I would like to give credit to Nathan Butler for providing the information for the article. Adamwankenobi 23:59, 24 Oct 2005 (UTC)

hmmm...

If The Thrawn Trilogy could be said as 7-9, and the Star Wars: Dark Empire Trilogy is 10-12, what would be 13-15? Dark Nest? Jedi Academy?-user:remoh

Other trilogy

I always wanted another SW trilogy and i strongly agree with the other SW fans that the movie project should handed to another person if George Lucas don't want to do it. Because the last 2 trilogies is so good! And beside CG (computer generated) and special affects technology has grown very advanced since 1977 and so this Sequel trilogy would just as or maybe even better looking than Episode III.

-[[User:Darth Tader|Darth Tader]

  • But if the movies are made by somwon else they proubily won't be as good. I would like to see another trilogy but it would need to be made by George-User:admiral James Kaizer.

Zahn's

Heir to the Empire was the first SW EU book I was aware of, and I saw it owned by a classmate. Surprised, I asked her what is it about, and she told me 'it's the sequel trilogy to the movies, because the sequel movies were cancelled'. Now on Wookieepedia I read such a claim in the trilogy's article. Always in my comprehension, Thrawn Trilogy was the 'Sequel Trilogy', and not just 'a post-ROTJ EU novel', and that's why Jedi Prince series is not an 'official sequel' MoffRebus 22:36, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

  • But the Thrawn Trilogy's mention in the article implies that it has a higher status than other post-EU material (from Marvel Star Wars 81 down to the latest Legacy era stuff), and/or was based on the plans for the sequel movies which were never filmed. It shouldn't be singled out in this article as the replacement for the sequel movies. —Silly Dan (talk) 22:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
  • It's a popular myth with no basis in fact. The Thrawn Trilogy holds no special status in regards to the movies. - Lord Hydronium 22:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
    • It's the only direct sequel trilogy, and also the earliest published one, having the movies in mind. All other trilogies are subsequent (post 9 ABY) and later. I think it deserves at least a reference, even for pointing out the 'mistake'. Don't forget to fix the Thrawn Trilogy article as well MoffRebus 22:54, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

i don't know about 10-15...but Lucas (or his kids) will definatley do 7-9 regardless of what he says now ---Gran Moff Lando

  • Possibly, but this article shouldn't spend a lot of time on speculation, unsourced rumours, and wishful thinking. 8) —Silly Dan (talk) 22:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I hate to do this, but....(removing link to fan blog)

I removed the following information: mostly because since it's a planned fanfilm, we have no proof it's going to be notable. However, it might be interesting to discuss fan efforts to produce a sequel trilogy or substitute thereof. I don't have the expertise on it, though. —Silly Dan (talk) 02:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

It looks pretty notable to me, and at the very least it's a notable undertaking. I think we should put the link back up.Darth Ceratis 19:43, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Over on Wikipedia, they have a rule: "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball." Maybe I'm being overzealous in applying a rule from another wiki over here, but as of yet, they haven't begun filming. I'm leery about adding information about fan films which may or may not be completed. —Silly Dan (talk) 23:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I see your point, but they do seem pretty legitimate. I've actually contacted them about possibly becoming a concept artist for them, and they appear to mean business. I think they at least deserve some kind of mention.Darth Ceratis 03:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Unofficial Production

Recently in the fan film community, it has been announced that independent films are being produced to further the Star Wars saga, in what has been dubbed The Star Wars Sequel Trilogy Project. The official blog for the project[1] briefly explains the films and provides an F.A.Q. section that answers some of the questions surrounding the project. The films have no affiliation with Lucasfilm LTD, and are being produced entirely by fans as a non-profit, volunteer source of entertainment.

I have according when SuperShadow

SupeShadow you have the the reason, thus is the trilogy subsequent to the Return of the Jedi User_talk:Starkiller1996

I remember checking out the official Star Wars page around 1999 or 2000, right after the release of Phantom Menace. At the top were 9 boxes. The first box said "Star Wars Episode I: Phantom Menace", the second had a roman numeral "II", the next "III", then "A New Hope", "Empire Strikes Back", "Return of the Jedi", and then three more boxes with "VII", "VIII", "IX". The only boxes that had links attached were I, IV, V, VI, so there wasn't any other info about what those three episodes were about.

It seems to me that Lucas is creating this kind of confusion to keep the whole issue in the minds of fans, as I'm sure he knows what that does from a marketing point of view. He sais one thing and then denies it and people go around searching for the truth... it can only work in his favor. It's obvious that he had to make the prequel trilogy before he could have made the sequel trilogy, and I would go as far as to say that the prequel trilogy would not have been made if not for the plans for the sequel trilogy. The story is not over. If the Jedi can live on as ghosts after death, can't the Sith? When Darth Vader throws the Emporer down that hole, there is blue smokey stuff that closely resembles the blue smokey stuff that eminates from the ghosts of Obi-wan, Yoda, and Anakin.

Of course, there apparently are only supposed to be two Sith at a time, and I don't think Darth Vader had the time to recruit another before he too died. Maybe Episode VII should be called "The Blue Smokey Stuff Wars"

Wow. That was awesome. --Sumputz 04/07/07

Legacy of the force

The plot for the movies was mainly Palpatin's plot, so a new trilagy should involve a new sith leader and thier plot. In legacy of the Force Lymania is a sith leader and it is the first real sith plot sence ROTJ, so the new trilagy could foccus on that series. And it would be a good idea too.-User:admiral James Kaizer

Rewrite notice

I am planning on executing a rewrite and cleanup of this article with the possible goal of making it a featured article. If you have any concerns or would like to help me in this project let me know. I'll start in the next few days. - breathesgelatinTalk 04:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually...

  • Actually...

Die Wiedergeburt der Freiheit

Die neue Herausforderung

und

Die Fremden

are translated, by Google Translate, as

The Rebirth of Freedom

The new Challenge

and

The Stranger

Which is slightly different. Taking the extra "the" out of the 7th's title, and singlizing the title of the 9th. Anyone against changing it? --The Wolfe22 19:34, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Episode 7

I've confirmed that Episode 7's title is A Dark Facade,acording to fannon. Mr.Wood 01:59, 8 August 2008 (UTC)Mr.WoodMr.Wood 01:59, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

  • If it's fanon, then you haven't confirmed anything other than some random fan decided that would be a good title. —Silly Dan (talk) 03:00, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Are we sure about this?

"Based on statements at the time from Lucas, a major villain in the sequel trilogy would have been a figure previously frozen from Revenge of the Sith. In an interview with Lucas from Bantha Tracks in 1980 Lucas was asked what the third SW trilogy was about and he said that "It deals with the character that survives Star Wars III and his adventures." When it says "Star Wars III," are we sure he's not actually referring to Return of the Jedi? People weren't as familiar with the episode titles back in 1980. 68.7.201.42 10:11, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Zahn inconsitencies

Revelations in the plot since the 1999 release of Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace, however, have shown that Zahn's novels are incorrect on numerous details.

I find this sentence very interesting. It's been a while since I've read the Thrawn Trilogy and there are no mentions of inconsistencies in the articles for Zahn's novels. Some of the larger inconsistencies should probably be mentioned here, with details on the pages for the series or individual novels. -- Benabik 19:20, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I've read these books countless times, i don't see how they are inconsistent with anything--Podracer1994 01:09, May 26, 2010 (UTC)Podracer1994

We should atleast humor SS

with am mention of his stupid ideas. The bastard deserves at least that.--68.106.214.77 04:01, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

  • SuperShadow is no more important than any other Idiot with a website, he just happens to have an imagination--99.141.205.69 12:12, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

German titles

Just regarding this entry on the Sequel Trilogy page, where does it come from, & was it ever anything beyond fan speculation? There's no source at all on the page & I can't find anything else on the web.

According to a German sci-fi magazine the titles for the three films of the sequel trilogy:

In German:

Part 1 Die Wiedergeburt der Freiheit

Part 2 Die neue Herausforderung

Part 3 Die Fremden

In English:

Episode VII: The Rebirth of the Freedom

Episode VIII: The New Challenge

Episode IX: The Strange Ones

DarthNub 23:40, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Removing it. There's actually a great deal of speculation in this article, and a lot more of it needs removal or fact-checking. —Silly Dan (talk) 01:12, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I always thought that the thrawn trilogy was good, but with the whole plot of the prequels it doesn't really fit as a sequel trilogy. I think it'd be better to have a trilogy about Lukes son. It would make sense. The prequels are about Anakin. The originals are about Anakins son Luke. The sequels would be about Lukes son. It would be cool,a kind of three generation thing, the sins of the fathers last three generations thing, you know.

Legitimacy of EU, and definition of sequel/trilogy/episode

Near the end of the article it states,"Some fans have come to the erroneous conclusion that the Star Wars novels set after Return of the Jedi, most notably the Thrawn Trilogy or the New Jedi Order series, represent the "real" Episodes VII through IX—either believing that they will be made into films in the future, or believing that they are novelizations of unproduced scripts."

Can someone please explain to me how this conclusion could be considered erroneous? I mean technically A New Hope was completed in written novel form before film form. For every episode there has been books so who is to say that the term "trilogy", "sequel", or "episode" only applies to the films? From what I understand most/all of the stuff in the EU is written under Lucas's copyrights/trademarks so they have his name stamped all over them (figuratively speaking). If there are novels, comics, etc in official canon that continue the storyline after Return of the Jedi then why not consider them the official successor(s) to RotJ?

Now as to whether or not a FILM detailing the events after RotJ... that's another question that is primarily answered in this article. —Unsigned comment by Danconia (talk • contribs)

  • Answer: because Lucas doesn't consider them to be sequels for the movies, that's why. MauserComlink 12:11, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

45 in universe years of events GONE

So, Lucas said the new trilogy will take place roughly 40 years after the last movie, (around the time we are now with the ending of Fate of the Jedi), but will have nothing to do with the book. Does this mean that the novels that have been in the works since the late 80s to explain what happens next, including the Thrawn Trilogy, Dark Empire, Jedi Academy, The Yuuzhan Vong, the Dark Nest, the Second Galactic Civil war and Abeloth are all to become...(Gulp) NON-CANON!?!?--Jet Twilights (talk) 19:14, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

  • *sigh* And where did you read that? Because "original story" doesn't necessarily mean that everything's out the window, and I've seen no details on the movie itself. Cade Calrayn GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit 19:17, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
    • Well...I'm just worried is all. He said it would not have anything to do with the books, and if it takes place in a time we already covered in the books and does something dramatically different, it could cause a problem. Like, the Empire are not bad guys anymore around 40 ABY, and if the movie has them as bad guys, then it at least cancels out a few novels that are important...--Jet Twilights (talk) 19:23, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
      • From the Episode VII page, it says: "The film's story will be completely original and not based on any prior source from the Expanded Universe." By that, I am afraid it means pretend the books didn't happen. I might just be paranoid though.--Jet Twilights (talk) 19:30, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
        • This page isn't for talking about your fears for the franchise, nor anyone else's. This page is for talking about changes to be made to the article. Please go to a forum somewhere. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 19:44, November 1, 2012 (UTC)