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Name

Does BFII name this as "Confederate Remnant" or is that conjectural? --SparqMan 20:20, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

  • It's conjecture. I'll add the tag. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 20:21, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Is it worth adding a mention of worlds like Bakura and Bespin, both of which remained outside the Empire's direct control until 1 BBY and 3 BBY respectively? Both were CIS worlds - Bakura served as Dooku's headquarters on at least 2 occasions--Sinrebirth

Official Language

It says that the Remnant's official language was Geonosian. Um, Why? Because Dellso was Geonosian? That's a pretty big leap.Commodore Axilon 21:02, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, there is the fact that the only members we see are Geonosians. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 21:08, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Well, if this was in fact the Confederate Remnant, it'd be pretty much identical to the CIS. Who's official language was Basic.Commodore Axilon 21:17, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Since when do Remnants have to be identical to what they were formed from? Plus, if Dellso established it, the language would be Geonosian. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 21:26, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
        • Point conceded. I guess I just figured that the Confederate Remnant would be more than just Dellso and his friends starting up a tiny rebellion on Mustafar. Surely there would have been more planets involved if they hoped to be any kind of threat to the Empire? But, I guess we just don't know enough about it yet.Commodore Axilon 21:51, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
          • There was at least one holdout in the Trade Federation: Enarc. They even had droid armies that didn't respond to the shut-down order. And there were multiple holdouts (without names) mentioned in the ROTS:VD. VT-16 22:45, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
            • Yeah, that's true. Should they be mentioned as possible members? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 00:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
              • Well, I see little reason in confining this to Mustafar and a guy hiding out there. Even if they never called themselves that, the fact is all these places where Separatists still lived and had support, were essentially remnants of the Confederacy. VT-16 10:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Since the name of this article is a conjecture for the remnants of the CIS, focusing only on Dellso and his Mustafar forces won't cut it. I suggest expanding the article to deal with any reference to post-ROTS separatists. VT-16 08:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Yep. Definately at least needs bits on the guy on Enarc. QuentinGeorge 09:02, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Agreed. Perhaps a section for each CIS remnant? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 11:03, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
        • That would be a problem if upcoming sources start to reference alot of them. Apart from Dellso, there isn't much information on other CIS factions still fighting, or if they still considered themselves part of it. There's the resistance force on Acherin which fought for a year following the end of the Wars, Customs Vizier Marath Vooro on Enarc and the Nosaurians on New Plympto. That's all I can recollect right now and there might be more referenced in Dark Lord. VT-16 15:00, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Separatist Remnant

Wouldn't it be best to call the organization the Separatist Remnant instead of confederate?. —Unsigned comment by 70.186.171.61 (talk • contribs)

Name

  • Jack, the reason I moved the page is because the game refers to this name several times. For example, one line of the game is "We will stamp out the final Remnants of the CIS". Bly1993
    • So? The Imperial Remnant is called the "remnants of the Galactic Empire" numerous times. Besides, you have no proof that your title is official. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 00:24, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
      • May not be official, but since the game refers to this name, it wouldn't be conjecture. Bly1993

Pics

  • Good point,at least I added one more pic The Battle Of New Plympto.—Troyb
  • Lets move it to the right side and make the image smaller then and see what happens.—Troyb
  • Well it's such a good pic,is their anyway to keep it.Besides this page really needs some pics.—Troyb
  • Where does user rune haako get he's images,It might help us.—Troyb
  • Awesome,but we nned more pics.—Troyb

Verifying quote

Can anyone provide a link or proof for this? ..The Galactic Empire would use the existence of such holdouts as an excuse to continue production of various warships for the Imperial Navy. —Unsigned comment by 70.186.171.61 (talk • contribs)

Geonosian Alliance?

You know in the empire at war Campaign if you play as the empire you have a mission to undertake where you must go to geonosis and enslave the Geonosians for labor for the death star. Once you enter geonosian terrority Rebel Fleet is there most likely there making an alliance with the geonosians, which i am sure since vader states Rebels! they must have an alliance with the geonosians. Is it possible to add this bit to the article?. —Unsigned comment by 70.186.171.61 (talk • contribs)

  • Wouldn't that simply make them part of the Rebel Alliance, like the Mon Calamari? Or are you referring to the Geonosians before this took place? VT-16 20:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Name?

  • Just wondering why this article was moved from Confederate Remnants. Thanks, NighthawkLeader 06:36, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Because Confederate Remnants is a conjectural name, whereas this one is actually used in a source. -- I need a name (Complain here) 14:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
      • Ok thanks- just saw that nearly everything linking to this was linked to confederate remnants and was wondering why it changed NighthawkLeader 21:58, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Are there any holdouts still around in the legacy series?

I was just wondering, because you guys dont say if they fell or stayed as a planet. —Unsigned comment by Trewqp (talk • contribs)

  • Very unlikely, as the Empire would have crushed the majority of them, and any surviving ones would have likely joined the Rebel Alliance or New Republic. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 01:28, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, but is there a way we can make sure of it though? even if they were small planets, which ones were they? —Unsigned comment by Trewqp (talk • contribs)

  • There's no way to be sure of it. There's only been a few Separatist holdouts shown (all of which are in the article). The only one in the article that has no real info on it is Enarc, but I think it's safe to say that the Empire would have crushed that very early on since they publicly announced they would continue fighting. There was likely many other Separatist holdouts, but until they're written about, I can't say that for sure. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 14:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

so its safe to say, that there are no more holdouts that still hold the old flag and rules and values of the the CIS? —Unsigned comment by 72.187.70.123 (talk • contribs)

Is there anything, as a loyal member to the CIS, help bring bck the CIS in the legacy era? Star wars is such a cruel, cold galaxy. So can i? any way to get the CIS back into the current era of star wars? my battle droids are getting rusty... —Unsigned comment by 72.187.70.123 (talk • contribs) I'm curious as well did most of the separatist holdouts join the alliance?

  • The TFU Campaign Guide mentions CIS soldiers and units joining the early Rebels. Some planets in the Legacy era are also said to be under surveillance due to their separatist past. In the LOTF era, at least. VT-16 20:11, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Why Holdouts?

If Darth Sidious had control of the Seperatists in secret, why didn't they follow his orders and join the Galactic Empire? Maybe the Seperatist holdouts were controlled by Palpatine in secret as part of his plan to expand the Empire. --Youngla0450 05:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

  • The CIS was a union of various factions bound together only by their shared dissatisfaction of the old republic, that means there will be factions that Darth Sidious couldn't control. Besides, the core of the CIS, like trade federation etc, were merely taking orders from him because of the benefits he promised them. Once his true objectives were revealed to the CIS, the CIS would have probably revolted against him as well. 216.12.205.114 21:22, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Who is the leader when the surviving Separatist holdouts join the Rebel Alliance?

With Gizor Dellso dead, who are the leaders of the Separatist holdouts when they are absorbed into the Rebel Alliance? ––Bron Hañda 21:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

    • There is no leader. Each planet is ruled by whichever general was there when the war ended.--75.68.109.110 05:23, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

Gizor Delso

It says here that Delso reactivated a droid army, when in-game it clearly says that it was a droid factory. It also says that it was only a few days after the massacre, but no date was given in-game. --Fireman V2 14:00, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

  • There is too much detail in regards to the timeline of events. So Delso's Remnant Navy was created in 12 BBY and "A year later" they revealed themselves to the empire? There are som crab droids thrown in there for good measure. What poppycock! How on earth has this person come up with these dates and info? There is only one source thus far and it's a game most of us have. Pure fanon. Well written, but fanon. I'm tweaking this back to some canonicity. Whoever wrote that into the article can sue me. The events of this campaign happened between 18 BBY and 12 BBY. Come up with another source and I'll stand corrected, until then, I'm changing it.40 Year Old Virgin 00:29, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

X1

X1's use of battle droids doesn't mean the recreation of CIS. It was X1's personal little empire and the droids were just a part of his forces. He found the droids on Mustafar, activated them and sent into battle to help his stormtrooper corps. That paragraph should be deleted, as it wasn't even a part of resistance movement. ```` —Unsigned comment by 91.207.225.216 (talk • contribs)