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UnderConstruction

Rogue Squadron/Legends was the improvement drive project for the week of 9 April, 2006.
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Article milestones
Date Process Result
August 27, 2006 Featured article nomination Failure
September 29, 2006 Failed Featured article nominee
Current status: Failed Featured article nominee

Early sources

These two pages from SWFA would be excellent additions to this article. The former being a guideline for the squadron history and the latter for a chronological list of pilots: [1] & [2] --SparqMan 02:40, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Category

Rebel Alliance organizations-->Alliance Military units? & New Republic Defense Force units.--SparqMan 18:45, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Quotation

Adamwankenobi has changed the lead quotation. Which is prefered? "I’m with Rogue Squadron. Impossible is our stock in trade, and success is what we deliver." - Corran Horn vs. "Well, you know the Rogues. All we need is a ship and rock to land it on." - Wedge Antilles --SparqMan 17:55, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

  • I myself like the Wedge Antilles one. --AdmThrawn 17:57, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
    • I like Corran Horn's quote :| ----Inmobilus 17:58, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
      • I like Corran's better, also. Jedi Ranger 06:10, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
        • Could we get something more joking? You know, they're practically comedians in flight suits. Or at least a few of them are. If not then I vote for Wedge's. (Sorry to tie it up) --OompaLoompa of DOOM 05:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
          • I'd go with Wedge's statement.--Darth Malevolous 00:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
            • I like Corran's quote. The Squadron is pretty extraordinary. -- Booster Terrik 01:09, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Commander Celchu

During I, Jedi, Tycho Celchu is in command of Rogue Squadron (Corran, Gavin, and Orrol). Wedge is depicted as working on the rebuilding of Corscurant. Any other mentions of when Celchu is in command of the squadron?

~During the events of Wraith Squadron, Iron Fist and Solo Command, I believe.TIEPilot051999 02:59, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Right, Wedge was with the Wraiths then. -Finlayson 02:53, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Rec-room pic

Who is that in the rec-room pic and when is it supposed to be from? -- Ozzel 02:53, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Still wondering on this one. Also, about the pic I just added...the battle on the cover of the first novel is over Borleias, right? It's been a while since I read it. Ozzel 18:41, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
  • I think the one with the datapad could be Hobbie.--Darth Malevolous 00:57, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Expansion

I put an expansion tag on here. Surely we can do better than three paragraphs to cover at least 7 novels and over 38 comics! -- Ozzel 02:53, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I think it still needs more... the comic series only gets a single paragraph, and makes it sound like the unit had only six members right up until it was reformed in the novels. Happy to do a little bit if nobody objects? Nick Fel 17:22, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I think the whole section might be better off for a little bit of tweaking. I see what the author was trying to do with the occasional summaries of what comes next, but without subheaders to go with them, it just makes the whole thing seem out of sequence. Nick Fel 17:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Fixed Article

Phew. Someone mangled this article bad. I managed to fix most of the broken parts, though. Odintheking 18:03, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks, but did you really have to add that?--Darth Malevolous 00:58, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Roster

Could someone more knowledgeable than I create seperate parts of the lists for flight commanders, lieutenants, majors, etc? I really have no idea how to go about it.--The Erl of Talk talk What I do 14:44, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

  • Personally, I think the best way of listing pilots/rosters would be to do it chronologically, taken from the SWFA rosters - Does anyone else agree? KastMorben
    • SparqMan already has one put together on a user subpage here. I left a note on the talk page about incorperating it, but haven't heard back from him yet. -- Ozzel 17:23, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
    • Maybe list the pilots and others in more than 1 column, like a table. Also, I'd like to seperate list for the Astromechs. but JMO. - 03:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Now that school is over, I plan to integrate the information into a useful table for a seperate article, but the article should be about the unit and its history. --SparqMan 03:50, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
    • I added a few more pilots, mostly from my RS pilot list over at the SWFA. A few of the pilots Sparqman had on his private page were from my old version of the list which was more fan fictiony, including some last or first names I created. This updated list is more accurate.--JMM 19:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • The Hoth count was wrong, according to the Rogue roster profiles/articles. There were eleven identified members, with three likely "guests." With the squadron standard manning at twelve pilots, there are definately going to be holes in some time frames, but it looks like we have at surplus of pilots taking part in Hoth.Cms1138 17:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
    • I think the count was twelve snowspeeders, according to the novelization and maybe other sources. But, many or most of the speeders had gunners, so that gives us at most, twenty-four people manning the speeders. Dash Rendar had no gunner, so that gives us twenty-three. It's also possible other speeders had no gunners. So, not every person there may have been "official" Rogues, but there are many people who have yet to be named. --JMM 15:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Two crests?

Is there a reason to have the crest on the page twice, once at the top and once at the bottom? --JMM 13:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

  • I don't think there is. I can see the logic in either of the two positions, but not *both*. I think the second one is probably a fan creation, even though it is far more commonly seen on the net (that's just a guess though). Nick Fel 16:05, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
  • The top one is the official one and the lower one is the original one by Gavin Darklighter. Don't see a problem with having both, as long as they are clearly labeled. -Finlayson 16:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I don't think that is the case, X-Wing: Rogue Squadron said that Gavin created the design itself, not the colour scheme--as you can see, the images are basically the same except for that. I didn't mean to suggest that the design itself was a fan creation, just that the coloured image is. The white and blue one from Heir to the Empire Sourcebook is probably the origin of the design, and Stackpole wrote that Gavin created in 'in universe'. I don't have the book on hand to see if he described the colours... Nick Fel 17:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
      • OK. I see your point. I don't know the answer. Maybe the Darklighter one came from a Rogue comic. -Finlayson 21:24, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
        • Well, they're both Darklighter's one... which is the reason it's a bit silly having both versions. But nah, the comics are all set before the book it's designed in. Nick Fel 21:39, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
          • That's what I meant. The Rogue comics came before the books. Also, the 2nd one does have Rogue Squadrod's red. Well whatever.. -Finlayson 23:22, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
            • Yeah... so if the comics came chronologically before the books, how can the twelve-point crest designed in the books be from them? Nick Fel 08:59, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
              • Right, it can't. Heir the Empire Sourcebook came before the X-wing books too, unless there was a 2nd edition or something. Humm.. -Finlayson 01:19, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
                • Heir to the Empire Sourcebook was released before the X-Wing novels, yes. But chronologically, the information in it is about a period after them. Early authors like Mike Stackpole drew a lot of their information from the WEG sourcebooks, and I think clearly, he looked up information on Rogue Squadron and then retconned into his first book that Gavin Darklighter designed it 6.5ABY.
The origin of the design is really in question here. The issue is the colourised image, which I believe is a) redundant, and b) a fan creation (that particular image, not the twelve-point design). It's not in the comics, and I can't think of another sourcebook it could be from. There'd be nothing wrong with a fan rendering of the design if we didn't already have an official image from a sourcebook... but we do have one. Nick Fel 10:02, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- Right, source is doubtful for 2nd image. I commented it out for now. -Finlayson 15:45, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Endor roster

"...Tycho Celchu (Red Two, A-wing), Wes Janson (Red Three, Y-wing), Derek Klivian (Red Four, A-wing), and an unidentified Human male as Red Five (X-wing)"

  • This whole paragraph needs a rewrite. Tycho was Green 3, Janson has no confirmed callsign (I don't think), and I don't know where Red Five is mentioned.--JMM 14:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I've removed the reference to Janson's call sign and fighter here. No answer on where the unnamed Red Five reference comes from? --JMM 17:32, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Weren't Karie Neth and Gayla Riemann explicitly part of the squadron at Endor, also?

Harthis and Pirgi?

According to the Completely Unofficial SW Encyclopedia site, Major Harthis was Gavin's "administrative assistant" and Pirgi was a security officer possibly assigned to the squadron's HQ. I can't check these myself, but if that's true, they belong in the Support Personnel section. --JMM 17:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

When...

If Wedge made it after the Battle of Yavin, why did Biggs Darklighter mention the name of the squadron shortly before?--Herbsewell 15:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Is this in the novel or something? -Fnlayson 20:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Zsinj campaign

Does anyone know what happened to some of the members who took part in the fight agains Zsinj? Pilots like Pedna Scotian, Ran Kether and Koobis Nu just kind of disappeared and I can't seem to find any mention of them anywhere else.--Hobbie 16:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Dark Nest & LOTF

This article could use an update to include Rogue Squadron's role in the Dark Nest and Legacy of the Force series. Having not read them, I'm wholly unqualified. --SparqMan Talk 23:43, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

  • I don't remember the squadron doing much in the Nest books. The Rogues did something in one LOF book (2nd one, Bloodlines). -Fnlayson 04:45, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Crest

In the novel X-Wing: Rogue Squadron, it states that Gavin designed the crest prior to the Defender Wing prank. Is there another source that states that it was designed for the prank, or was this a mistake in the article? 67.101.199.67 15:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Why do we need another source? XWRS is plenty good enough... Nick Fel 13:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Translation

I got some difficulties with translation of the word "Rogue". Can you tell the meaning of "rogue" as applied to "Rogue squadron"? --Darth Igel 09:38, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

As a noun, it means a renegade or scoundrel. As an adjective, it means out of control or unpredictable. Nick Fel 21:46, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Second Galactic Civil War

IT says the rogues were led against Centerpoint by Anakin SOlo. Wasn't he already dead? Vadamee 12:19, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Vadamee 19:13, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Samoc Farr

Samoc Farr was removed from the Rogue Squadron list. I reverted this and added "during Battle of Hoth only" comment to match with Dash Rendar's name being on the list. Farr's single appearance in the Tales of the Bounty Hunters book says she was flying a snowspeeder in the Battle of Hoth and was shot down by walkers. To me, this indicates she flew with Rogue Squadron we have yet to see any source suggesting any other groups of speeders took part in that battle. --JMM 04:51, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Service Record vs. History

As one of, if not THE, most common and consistent military units in the Expanded Universe, Rogue Squadron has a storied past. Unfortunately, the "History" section reads like an attempt to include their every battle. I recommend creating a "Service Record" section that lists every known conflict and battle in which they participated. That will free up the "History" section to talk in more general, overarching terms. Thoughts? --SparqMan Talk 03:33, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

I like the idea of a service record section. The X-WING books that features Rogue Squadron has them fighting several battles. Throughout the Expanded Universe they fought a multitude of battles. So what is the list of battles going to link you to the page about the battle? ``Prince-Admiral``

Ersatz Rogues

Should the temporary squadron (during the Bacta War) not be included on the rosters? Or if they don't count as "real" Rogues, shouldn't that group at least be mentioned as taking over the name temporarily? Jenosidanian 00:39, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

  • Oops, it's there, I missed it on my first read-through. But it's just one line, and I feel the pilots should be named, there or at the bottom. Jenosidanian 00:40, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Biggs Darklighter?

Why is Biggs not credited as a pilot? --216.26.214.38 08:07, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

Rogue Flight

Should Rogue Squadron be renamed Rogue Flight in all events that are set before the death of Arhul Narra? Rogue Flight was at the time a part of Red Squadron, and Rogue Squadron didn't exist before then. Splitting the articles of Rogue Flight and Rogue Squadron would be helpful to avoid the confusion.--DKS MaXoO (talk) 20:10, April 21, 2015 (UTC)

Rogues at Endor?

Were the Pilots that flew with Red Squadron on Endor also members of Rogue Squadron? (143.137.95.44 18:46, 26 March 2023 (UTC))