Talk: Rodian/Legends

Article milestones Date Process Result January 15, 2006 Featured article nomination Failure February 25, 2006 Failed Featured article nominee July 18, 2006 Good article nomination Success August 6, 2006 Good article by Silly Dan October 4, 2008 Good article review Removed November 4, 2008 Former Good article
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Planned edit

I plan to correct and fill out this article tonight. --SparqMan 00:54, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Copyvio?

The main section is almost word for word with the databank [[1]] --Fade 16:39, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Expanded the article on the temp page - shall we put it on the main page? — Silly Dan 02:44, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)
  • Seeing no objections, I'm moving it over. — Silly Dan 15:21, 30 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Temp page history

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Analog

What are Rodians analagous to? Mammals, Reptiles, amphibians, something entirely different? -- SFH 14:17, 12 Oct 2005 (UTC)

• Alien Encounters classed them under "Reptiles", for what it's worth. — Silly Dan 00:55, 13 Oct 2005 (UTC)

They always struck me as mammals...Whatever. Darth Fury

The female Rodian dancer in Jabba's palace had breasts, so they are most likely mammals.--HanShotFirst 18:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

• Greeata may wear a bra, but perhaps she just has that to appeal psychologically to all the mammals the band plays for (not to mention freaky Jabba and his strange obsession with bodies that look nothing like his species). I've always pictured them as reptiles because of the green scales they have instead of fur or hair. The expanded universe hasn't detailed enough of their biology to tell us if they give live birth or lay eggs, or whether they're cold-blooded. If they really do have breasts, then it argues tremendously in favour of their young being nourished by mothers' milk... which I think is the most telling of a creature's mammality. It would be interesting to know more about their biology; for instance, if they actually have "mating seasons" (though we do know they can be as monogamous as anyone), if their sexual attraction is completely pheromone-based. For all we know, their equivalent of Playrodian could be an elaborate scratch-and-sniff. And now that I've ruined everyone's lunch, I think I shall stop. -BaronGrackle 15:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
• The Book "The Wildlife of Star Wars" does also allow for another subcategory; a reptomammal ,such as the Rancor, the Wampa and the Tauntaun.Sochwa 20:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
  • As pointed out below, Alien Encounters classifies them as reptiles. --Eyrezer 01:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Actually, in the New Essential Guide, it says that "females are physically distinguished by their mammary glands." Evidently, a Rodian chick can lactate. That would classify 'em more as a mammal as opposed to a reptile. "repto-mammal" would be the best description. --Trak Nar 8:18 pm, 26 July 2007

• • Several Reptillian species, especially the Falleen have females with rather large breasts, so its rather hard to classify Rodians based on that.—Unsigned comment by 98.193.117.197 (talk • contribs)
    • I used the term "repto-mammal" in error, as after I had written that, I watched a program on the Discovery Channel that gave me new insight to this. I'll detail that later.

Though, the New Essential Guide to Alien Species did specifically cite mammary glands, thereby making the breasts functional. It did not say the glands were non-functional, so unless otherwise indicated, Rodian females can lactate and nurse their young. In the A Hunter's Fate webstrip, during the flashback sequence, the panel of Neela kneeling beside her murdered husband shows her distended abdomen, as she was pregnant with Pqweeduk at the time. The size of her abdomen indicates that she is roughly six months pregnant, using the standard human nine months gestational period as a basis. Though, nothing was really said about the gestation of Rodians, and nothing was said that they hatch from eggs. Many reptiles do give live birth, so that's not necessarily outta the ordinary and is pretty darn plausible for Rodians to do the same.

Back to the matters concerning breasts and mammary glands... Since Rodians possess mammary glands to apparently nourish their young, it doesn't really mean that they would possess nipples. Mammary glands are modified sweat glands, and lactation could be from just pores on the tip of the breast. Milk could just ooze out. Monotremes, or "egg-laying mammals," such as echidnas, do not possess nipples. The milk oozes from milk ducts through modified pores, where it collects in the fur for the young to suckle. The fur serves as the nipple. With how a Rodian's flesh is pebbly, then that would serve its purpose as a nipple.

Also, nothing was really specified that Rodians are cold-blooded. Their behavioural patterns are more warm-blooded in that they aren't just lazing in the sun, trying to get their body temperature up to a functional level. Nothing that I read so far indicated that after eating, a Rodian would hafta bask under a heat lamp in order to digest their food. From what I can tell, they scarf down their meal and go on with their day, much like warm-blooded creatures.

Cold-blooded physiology is the result of a three-chambered heart. A three-chambered heart mixes oxygenated and deoxygenated blood and is not as efficient as the mammalian four-chambered heart. For a Rodian's size and activity level, a four-chambered heart would be beneficial to their survival, granting them more stamina. They wouldn't be confined to short bursts of energy followed by periods of basking just to bring their energy level back up. And in a colder climate, if a Rodian were to be cold-blooded, the cold would slow their functions and they would enter a state of torpor. For a species that places so much emphasis on hunting and fighting for survival, a three-chambered heart would be detrimental. The basking would leave them vulnerable to predators. Drops in temperature would slow them down considerably, putting a majour damper on any bounty hunting career.

Yes, Rodians evolved from reptiles. Though, along the way, in order to become the dominant tool-using bipedal species, they would have developed a four-chambered heart. That four-chambered heart gave them the edge over other species on prehistoric Rodia, allowing the Rodians to further evolve into the beings they are now. For a comparative analogy, in prehistoric Earth, before the dinosaurs, there were a race of large mammal-like reptiles. Not necessarily reptomammals. They were reptiles, but those reptiles apparently paved the way for mammals. Perhaps the Rodian ancestors were similar creatures. Though, instead of becoming mammals or repto-mammals, the evolution went by way of a hybrid, possessing qualities of both mammals and reptiles, though the dominant outward reptillian appearence still classified the Rodians as such. Internally, they may possess a physiology that combines traits of mammals and reptiles, such as mammary glands, four-chambered hearts, mammalian womb and birth canal, functional vomeronasal organ, etc.

Woo, I went on a hellish tangent! But yeah, you do have a point, Unsigned Anonymous User, that it is rather difficult to make a classification based on breasts alone. Trak Nar ^{Ramble on} 18:56, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Age Rate?

On the Greedo discussion page, on user wrote this: "Ultimate Alien Anthology gives Rodian ages at about 1-12 children, 13-15 young adult 16-35 adult." Is this enough for mentioning in the article? We do also know that Suvam Tan (from KOTOR) is over 50 years old... but perhaps he simply survived to extreme old age. Are there any other examples of rodian aging out there? -BaronGrackle 17:33, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

• Well, I don't know how much faith we want to put in UAA's age ranges. They classified the Yuuzhan Vong as venerable at 80, yet Malik Carr said that they lived two to three times the length of humans in The New Jedi Order: The Unifying Force. So, it boils down to what you consider reliable. -- SFH 17:37, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I remember that certain animals age really fast when they're born and slows down as they age. For example, a 2 year old dog is 24 dog years old, however, a 3 year old dog is about 28 years old.Pikazilla 11:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Red, White & Blue

• Does anyone know whether Jannik the white Rodian is an albino or just of a variant-skinned tribe & does that qualify for Evo the Blue (although I'm not sure if he's really blue). And could Navik's red birthmark be an indicator of red-skinned Rodians (I know there's a red Rodian getting decapitated in Legacy; that could be tatooing, but if there are red Twileks . . . )?Tocneppil 22:12, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
  • FWIW, the Star Wars Technical Commentaries site identifies another albino Rodian on Panna in the cartoon sequence of the SWHS: see this picture. —Silly Dan _(talk) 22:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
    • If Star Wars Galaxies is any indication, Rodians come in a variety of skin colors, including white and red. Green is merely the most common.--HanShotFirst 18:49, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Was just skimming through an article on 'Galaxies' in Star Wars Gamer 6 and read that Rodians could be played with purple skin -is that canon or something for just the game?Tocneppil 05:43, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Rodian religion

I'll feel stupid if it's already here and I just missed it... but do any sources indicate that Rodians had a religion or deity similar to the Trandoshan Scorekeeper goddess? Or any species-distinct religion? -BaronGrackle 21:21, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Humanoid, reptilian, or what?

I've wondered: are Rodians reptilian? They look kinda lizard-like to me, or maybe like an amphibian (They also remind me of goblins, a little bit). If so, then this information could be used in the article. Unit 8311 13:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• Alien Encounters classed them under "Reptiles", for what it's worth. — Silly Dan 00:55, 13 Oct 2005 (UTC)
  • It is also worth noticing that females have breasts, so they are a quite mixed-up species. But if that's the only source...Domlith 08:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Strictly speaking, as creatures that evolved on another planet, Rodians wouldn't be related to ANY creature from Earth, so they'd be under no obligation to fit neatly into one of our animal classifications. There's no particular reason convergent evolution couldn't have resulted in thick, scaly skin like a reptile, mammary-type glands like a mammal, and compound eyes like an arthropod all on the same creature. --Chookhlo 10:53, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
      • True, but Earth classifications are used in Star Wars canon all the same. —Silly Dan _(talk) 11:09, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
      • They should be classified as Reptomammals then,since much like the Falleen they both chiefly have reptilian and mammalian traits.Sochwa 17:31, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Article Overhual- Bringing it up to Speed.

I'm sure many of you have noticed the "Sourcing Problems" and "GA Standards Not Met" headers. Well, I'm currently working on that. Yep, I'm investing some time and taking this article on as a personal project and am working on updating and overhauling it. Most of the updating is currently in notes that I'm writing up, with sources cited, so that's all offline. Once I get my notes and rough outlines written up, I'll start updating each section of the article.

Call it obsessive, but dammit, this article is gonna be back to GA standards! Trak Nar 04:34, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

• Just giving you all a quick update: I got the "Biology and appearence" section rewritten and sourced. However, it's staying on me subpage til I'm finished. But, I made some headway on it today! Trak Nar 04:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
  • That bugger of a distraction, Real Life, had caught up with me. But this week, I'm gonna make some progress on this article. Just figured I'd let you all know what's been up. Trak Nar ^{Ramble on} 06:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I've been debating this for a while and would like to know anyone's opinion... The word "Rodian" is used to describe those who hail from the Greek island of Rhodes. I'd hazard a good guess that the descision to name Greedo's species "Rodians" was inspired by, if not directly derived from Rhodes. I've been tempted to add that to the Bts, but I would like input from others first. Trak Nar ^{Ramble on} 04:23, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

• Wouldn't it be spelled "Rhodian" in English? Anyway, without proof that whoever came up with the name had it in mind, we could only say in the BTS that "The term Rodian is also applied to people from the Greek island of Rhodes" without implying that Rhodes was the source of the name. I also suspect that Nilo Rodis-Jamero is a more likely source for the term. —Silly Dan _(talk) 10:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Apparently, Trak thought the same thing a while back. ;-) jSarek 10:41, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Lol. Well, according to Wikipedia and even translated sources from Rhodes, it's spelled "Rodian." Like for example, the Rodian Amathus Beach Hotel. Trak Nar ^{Ramble on} 11:11, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Clone Wars tv series portrayal

In the current TV Show, they are portrayed as a peaceful race, with friendly ties to the naboo (or at least one clan is). Isnt this contrary to established canon? IS there an explination for this?—Unsigned comment by 65.33.138.221 (talk • contribs)

• Who says they all have to be bounty hunters? This just establishes diversity in Rodian personalities. (Even before the prequels, we'd already seen a few relatively peaceful Rodians.) —Silly Dan _(talk) 11:08, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
  • I'm not saying they're all bounty hunters, but their society is based around violence and war. Hell just read the article, they have clan wars. You would figure on Rodia itself, the Rodians would at least be much more violent than peaceful in any situation. Including this. The Rodian portrayed in the Clone Wars as the leader of his clan (or senator), was about as harmless as a bantha. —Unsigned comment by 65.33.138.221 (talk • contribs)
    • The only Rodian clan wars depicted in canon that I recall were in A Hunter's Fate: Greedo's Tale and the Shadows of the Empire Planets Guide, both of which were set well after the Clone Wars. Perhaps the internal political situation was simply more peaceful in the prequel period -- but to go further would just be speculation. —Silly Dan _(talk) 20:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

2.3 Expansion

Humans are a warlike species and yet any individual you speak to tends to be peaceful. Our society is always striving towards peace but from an outsider perspective we would appear to be the most warlike thing in the galaxy. Are own political strife could spawn steriotypes quite easily but on an individual basis, those steriotypes would be wrong. Just because the most common Rodians we have seen outside of Rodia are bounty hunters, does not mean that the majority of the people are not peacefull. Hunting is a major factor on Rodia, Bounty hunting is just a logical step forward for a hunter. Furthermore, Perhaps those who leave the planet are also more violent. Who knows?

Bearded Rodian

Would you guys mind if I brought in a rodian with a beard from the SWG wikia, cause I think it would look great on this site?--Thoggnee 02:44, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

• Is it canon? --Eyrezer 03:58, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
  • I beleive so, since the first picture of the sexes page has a picture of male and female humans from SWG that are canon I assumed The Rodian was too--Thoggnee 04:42, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
  • Also go to Sith Shadow There's a rodian there that's sporting a fairly large beard.--Thoggnee 04:50, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
    • It is S-Canon at least since,the Reptomammal Class allows for an admixture of mammalian and reptilian traits. Sochwa 19:04, September 27, 2011 (UTC)