Talk: Pre Vizsla/Legends

Article milestones Date Process Result June 28, 2010 Featured article nomination Failure August 14, 2010 Failed Featured article nominee
Current status: Failed Featured article nominee

Relatives

• Is he Vizsla's son, or cousin, or brother, etc... and if so, should we put it in the article somewhere? VhettSkirata Mando'ade 20:22, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
  • Not unless it's confirmed. CC7567 ^(talk) 21:49, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
    • I think that wont ever be confirmed --Celtic22 17:58, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Is Shae Vizla related to Pre Vizsla? Even though their last names are spelled differently, I would guess this is an error as Pre Vizsla states his ancestors took the lightsaber he wields vs Obi-Wan from the Jedi Temple during the fall of the Old Republic. Shae Vizla is a leading bounty hunter who accompanies the Sith attack on the Jedi Temple during the Old Republic as seen in the SWTOR Decieved CG cinematic, so this seems like a logical connection. —Unsigned comment by Rantork (talk • contribs)

• "Logical connections" are not canon, per WP:ATT, and this page is not for speculation on the matter. CC7567 ^(talk) 23:51, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Overlord

Is it too early to consider adding the Death Watch Overlord succession box? He's pretty much confirmed as the Death Watch's leader at this point. Moon Demon 23:18, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

• Not unless it's officially confirmed. JangFett ^(Talk) 23:19, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
  • With all due respect, it isn't officially confirmed that Tor Vizsla ever was Overlord, or Lorka Gedyc. Only Teti Viba was ever called Overlord in any source. Shouldn't we remove them from the Overlord title or if not, include the succession box for Pre Vizsla based on this fact? Gratulor - User Page 14:58, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
    • If he's not confirmed to be one, then he isn't, canonically. Xd1358 _Talk 15:01, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
      • Exactly what I meant, but the point is that there is no source that states that Tor Vizsla or Lorka Gedyc are either. Only Teti Viba was ever called Overlord. So why don't we remove the box from them as well, leaving Teti Viba as the only Overlord as he is the only leader that held the title in any source. Or else, why not change the box title to "Leader of the Death Watch"? That is general enough and would give the opportunity to include Pre Vizsla. Gratulor - User Page 00:08, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
        • If the continuity between leaders is not directly clarified (which it isn't), then we cannot assume Pre Vizsla's predecessors or successors, and therefore a succession box would be useless. Also, if you want to discuss changes to the other articles, I recommend taking the issues up on their respective talk pages instead of here, where it doesn't have much relevancy. CC7567 ^(talk) 00:34, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Alternate option

Here's an alternate headshot for the infobox. It is little bit darker, and smaller in size, but it's not a hologram of his face like the current infobox image. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 04:10, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

• I'll implement it for now. CC7567 ^(talk) 04:36, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
  • Once I get the HD broadcast, I'll get a better one for ya. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 04:38, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Near-Human?

I don't recall anyone ever saying he wasn't fully human. Moon Demon 21:48, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

• And no source ever stated that he was, which is why we can only assume Near-Human. CC7567 ^(talk) 00:57, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
  • Or we could assume nothing at all and remove the species entirely. -- I need a name (Complain here) 00:59, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

His species is clearly human, the population of mandalore does have many other species as residents but the bulk of them are human and there's nothing to say he's anything but human, it's not an assumption, but just because mandalorians have a different temperment and mentality to other humans does not mean that the human members are not human, the togorian members are not togorian etc. so it should be stated that his species is human.--Mando'ade1138 19:06, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

• That is speculation and does not belong on Wookieepedia. If it's not directly stated, it's not canon. CC7567 ^(talk) 19:08, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
  • Do you have a source for him being "near-human"? CC, I don't believe sourcing "near-human" to the episode is accurate. No way is it proven that he is human or near-human, although he does have human features. JangFett ^(Talk) 03:45, February 1, 2010 (UTC)
    • The problem with calling him Near-Human is that it excludes the possiblility of him being just plain human. Either leave it blank for now or go with humanoid, because Near-Human is just as much of an assumption as Human is. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 03:58, February 1, 2010 (UTC)
  • He wasn't directly stated to be Near-Human either. That's just as speculative as saying he's Human, so the species field should just be left blank. There are even some (unlikely, but not yet canonically disproved) possibilities that would make both labels incorrect. We can't assume he's Near-Human unless a canon source says so, any more than we can assume he's Human without a canon source saying so. — Red XIV ^(talk) 04:02, February 1, 2010 (UTC)
    • Yes, per the ongoing SH, I'm going to change "Near-Human" to humanoid when I next get the chance. CC7567 ^(talk) 07:22, February 1, 2010 (UTC)
• Original Mandalorians were Humanoid,I've yet to see any explicit mention of cross-breeding with Mandalore's indigenous sentients.Sochwa 21:20, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

Mandalore Mural

Under "personality and traits" it says "Pre Vizsla was a defender of the Mandalorians' historic past as warriors that had once fought against the Jedi Order itself." I think it would be good to place the picture of Mandalore in his office to show this. —Unsigned comment by SadPanda91 (talk • contribs)

• I'm sorry, but the picture has to have much more relevancy and impact than that for it to be implemented. The fact that he has a painting in his residence says almost nothing about his P&T. CC7567 ^(talk) 18:59, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
  • I just thought it was important that he had a painting of a Mandalore fighting the Jedi since the "New Mandalorians" on Mandalore have given up their old warrior ways. I think this painting helps show Vizsla's pride in the Mandalorian's past while the rest of the Mandalorians have denounced their old ways. --SadPanda91 20:36, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
    • That still remains to be seen. We can't draw that connection ourselves unless it's explicitly confirmed. CC7567 ^(talk) 22:05, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
      • Behind the scenes: Hello, I just wanted to say that the picture what you were talking about is a modified version of the famous Guernica from Pablo Picasso. —Unsigned comment by Hibojohn (talk • contribs)

DW symbol on helmet

• The symbol on his helmet is cream coloured, not yellow. According to the show and concepts at least. Gratulor - User Page 21:14, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

Source of last name

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vizsla Is this worth mentioning? Roth Sov'rai 05:17, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  • If it's not a confirmed connection, it's original research and therefore non-noteworthy. CC7567 ^(talk) 05:20, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

• Surely the character's name is a bit of a pun/in-joke on "pre vis"... that is, previsualization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Previsualization), the animatic/CGI rough rendering of major action/effects scenes in movies, which was a major technique in the original (and prequel) trilogy? I can't be the only one to have noticed that, surely? Banjo oz (talk) 14:57, October 6, 2012 (UTC)
  • In fact Dave Filoni himself has confirmed that. Moon Demon (talk) 18:23, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

Affiliation

After the most recent Clone Wars episode, Vizsla stated that Count Dooku gave him his scar on the left side of his face, and that he wants Dooku dead. If this is the case, then he would have severed ties from the Confederacy of Independent Systems. In this case, shouldn't the Confederacy of Independent Systems be removed as Affiliation? —Unsigned comment by 71.29.213.116 (talk • contribs)

• If it was an affiliation at one point, and even if it was later severed, it deserves to stay listed in the infobox. CC7567 ^(talk) 18:49, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe we should make a note of that in the ifo box.--71.240.181.195 02:31, April 3, 2013 (UTC)#1Obi-WanKenobiFan

Possible Death

There is a book that revolves around Darth Maul, and in it there are details which go over the episode Revival, but also explains Maul ecapitating Vizsla in a duel and claiming the Death Watch as his own. I read a short extract of it online and can't remember the site. 121.220.124.165 03:50, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

In the newest episode of the clone wars previous was killed in combat against Darth Maul that should be added to this page possibly a video of the light saber battle which by the way was cool--96.236.159.59 16:39, January 27, 2013 (UTC)DRKTROOPER15

Behind the Scenes note worthy?

During the fight between Vizsla and Maul, Vizsla has his darksaber in his right hand and his blaster in his left hand while spraying his flamethrower at Maul. However when he quickly jets into the sky again he is seen holding his darksaber in his left hand and his blaster in his right hand; there is no possible within a split second that he would have changed weapons with both hands.

Is this a note worthy to put in the behind the scenes section that there is a clear error during the fight? Marko14126 (talk) 22:06, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

CWA skirmish at carlac should be included.

The "skirmish at carlac" in clone wars adventures should be included in the article. RazulAntiwield1--RazulAntiwield (talk) 11:13, May 28, 2014 (UTC)