Needed
Is this needed? I figure it can be incorporated into the Order 66 page. QuentinGeorge 05:12, 15 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- I don't see why. We have seperate pages for all the Battlefront II levels, after all. We just need to get one of those battle stat things up.TIEPilot051999 05:15, 15 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- I don't see a problem with this article - TopAce 22:26, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)
"Third Battle of Coruscant?"
What? Kuralyov 23:18, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Galactic Empire?
Technically, this was still the Republic. Kuralyov 05:25, 26 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- Agreed - TopAce 20:27, 26 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Disguised clones
Would the disguised clones still be invovled in the raid? --Razzy1319 05:23, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)
No. Bly1993
Venators?
The infobox says that Venator-class Star Destroyers were used during the battle. The article itself makes no mention of them. Source? Tam 15:57, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
In the game adaptation of ROTS the Venators flew outside the Jedi Temple to shoot down any escaping Jedi Interceptors.70.248.202.153 07:35, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Which game was that? I think you are talking about LAATs --Razzy1319 08:01, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
No. You can see the star destroyers in the cutscene after you beat Cin Drallig. I've made a reference in the article. Lt. 1993 21:11, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
While the Venators may have participated, they did not destroy the temple or the precinct it was in. In the end of ROTJ's DVD release you can see the Jedi Temple still standing in the celebration scene on Coruscant. This fact should be amended. RebelRogue 01:13, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
The Venators were stationed above Coruscant for protection in case the Droid Army were to attack. During Order 66, Commander Appo and his men of the 501st joined Skywalker from one of the Venators stationed above. They never participated --CC-1188 (talk) 20:17, November 29, 2012 (UTC)User:CC-1188 15:16 29 November 2012
- This conversation has been dead twice over, so don't resurrect it in this thread. Please start a new thread to discuss it further. NaruHina Talk
05:56, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
Clean Up
I have tagged this article for clean up. It has several Spelling mistakes and grammer errors in it. Aeon1006 20:33, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- I'll fix as many things as I can right away. UPDATE: I fixed what I found. - TopAce 20:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Contradiction
Curious about this line:
"On the way to Drallig's location, Vader entered the council room and slaughtered the younglings of the Bear Clan in cold blood when they mistook him for the kind hero he had once been."
The Bear Clan article expresses doubts about those younglings being the Bear Clan. What source IDs the younglings Vader kills in RotS as the Bear Clan? --Secco 02:31, 22 April 2006 (UTC) What abou the Human MALE Padawan of Cin Drallig who escapes ?
Operation Knightfall?
I assume this name was used in BFII. Did it describe just the attack on the Jedi Temple, or was it another name for the Jedi Purge? VT-16 22:07, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Name Change?
I think we should change the name of the page to Attack on the Jedi Temple, as raid to me sounds like a minor attack, and I think of raids as being small, minor, constant attacks. And the assault on the temple was no minor attack, that's pretty obvious. Who agrees? Unit 8311 13:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
- What was wrong with Operation Knightfall? Operation-names have been used before in articles. VT-16 13:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- i agree. OPERATION KNIGHTFALL just sounds great as well. Jedi Dude 13:16, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- My only question (which I asked months ago, above), is that name used for order 66 in general, or the attack on the temple? VT-16 22:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- Unit 8311, please don't move pages to a new name without having reached a consensus on its Talk pages. I'd consider it to be a raid, since that's exactly what Anakin does. Raid on Wikipedia: "A raid is a brief attack, normally performed by a small military force of commandos, or by irregulars. A raid may be conducted to demoralize or confuse an enemy, to ransack a camp, to obtain or destroy goods, to free POWs, to kill or capture people important to an enemy force, or to gather intelligence. Raids are especially common in guerrilla warfare" - Kwenn 18:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
- Whoops, sorry. But still, the 501st were hardly guerrilas, and it was hardly a 'brief attack' by a 'small force'.Unit 8311 19:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
- Unit 8311, please don't move pages to a new name without having reached a consensus on its Talk pages. I'd consider it to be a raid, since that's exactly what Anakin does. Raid on Wikipedia: "A raid is a brief attack, normally performed by a small military force of commandos, or by irregulars. A raid may be conducted to demoralize or confuse an enemy, to ransack a camp, to obtain or destroy goods, to free POWs, to kill or capture people important to an enemy force, or to gather intelligence. Raids are especially common in guerrilla warfare" - Kwenn 18:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
- My only question (which I asked months ago, above), is that name used for order 66 in general, or the attack on the temple? VT-16 22:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- i agree. OPERATION KNIGHTFALL just sounds great as well. Jedi Dude 13:16, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Nobody knows it as operation knightfall Therequiembellishere 19:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- Why has this been changed? Where is it referred to as "Murder in the Jedi Temple"? At least Operation: Knightfall has been used in canon, and "Raid on the Jedi Temple" is more accurate. It wasn't simply a murder, as the Jedi were defending themselves - \\Captain Kwenn// — Ahoy! 15:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Victory?
I think that the republic/empire did win the battle, BUT i also think that Yoda and Obi-Wan also won their battle. So i think it needs to either split the article in 2 (Vaders attack and The Jedi's mission) or the victory statement needs to include this victory. Please tell me what you think. Amzon 08:52, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- No, to be simple there was no victory for the Jedi, yoda and obi wan ahd to escape, retreating is not a victory Jedi Dude 10:02, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Cin Draillg
Maybe it is just me, but does anyone else ponder how Darth vader killed Cin. I mean he is all powerful. But Cin was suppose to be on the level of yoda and Mace or close to it. It was said that he surpass all, but the two. So could Vader win? Cin was either as strong or stronger the Obi, but some how lost to a lesser experince Knight. Gorege even said the main reason why Vader won was because of experince. SO how did he win is the question. I think personaly that Lucas wanted Vader to seem stringer then he really was and that Cin was a stepping stone —Unsigned comment by 68.58.59.206 (talk • contribs)
- Even an excellent Master can have a bad day. Maybe he stumbled or something - oops - lost the head!--TEakHoken84.172.145.135 19:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- You realise talk pages aren't for this sort of thing? Sorry to sound snarky, but them's the rules. Unit 8311 18:29, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Room for expansion
Zett Jukassa's death watched by Bail Organa was not mentioned in the article... I've tried to make it fit somewhere in the text, but I couldn't. Can anyone give it a try? Stake black msg 03:03, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Shaak-Ti
She is mentioned in the info box at the top of this page, but i thought that General Grevious killed her at the start of EpIII, as seen in the deleated scenes. i'm taking her out...if you disagree you can put it back, but please tell me if you do (and why you did) Admiral Arm-Ja Scobal, Dark Lord of the Sith (Guestbook) 21:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Deleted scenes are not necessarily canon (since they're, well, deleted). She shows up later in the movie, and The Force Unleashed confirms that she survived too. - Lord Hydronium 21:43, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- I agree, anyway her death was not mentioned in any canon sources. Many fanmade sources show her alive and well, fighting the enpire at least. for the full story, search operation knightfall on fanfiction.net, and no, I am not the author. User:LordVulcan 4/8/08
- thanks...i didn't know that she was in the movie later on...i have not watched it in ages Admiral Arm-Ja Scobal, Dark Lord of the Sith (Guestbook) 21:47, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- hey I have a question: what's the source of the section in the raid continues where it says
that Shaak Ti was discovered in the accommodation rooms and that she dueled Vader?
If Shaak Ti was there she fled.Thus you have The Force Uleashed.Sith-venator 18:52, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
At risk concerns
Operation: Knightfall has been tagged with the Gacleanup template for the following reason(s):
No notes and references section.
The community is invited and encouraged to help improve this article to meet current GA standards. --School of Thrawn 101 07:05, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'll see what I can do. --Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 14:22, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- There, I've added a N&R section and I've sourced nearly everything. Unit 8311 14:40, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- Feel free to strike the bullet and remove the tag. I say job well done. --School of Thrawn 101 14:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- Tag removed. Thanks. Unit 8311 14:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- Feel free to strike the bullet and remove the tag. I say job well done. --School of Thrawn 101 14:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- There, I've added a N&R section and I've sourced nearly everything. Unit 8311 14:40, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Possibly inspired by Warcraft?
Ok I know it is fairly hypothetic to say that, but the way Anakin is marching into the Jedi Temple is (at the beginning) very close to Arthas returning to his Father (to murder him. Furthermore the story behind them is similar they both have fallen to Darkness, and so on). It's just an idea that came to me after seeing both scenes again. For everyone not knowing what i mean, this is it: http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=TRNwYpqbttI 91.66.133.234 16:01, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't see much similarity except that he marches in with some soldiers. I mean, what exactly was that? FettClone1 04:17, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
Where did the name come from?
I know the Battlefront II mission is named Knightfall, but nowhere is it referred to "Operation Knightfall". DjMack 18:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Obi-Wan and Yoda's mission.
Shouldn't Anankin's mission and Obi-Wan and Yoda's later mission be two seperate articles?--LastJedi1515 (talk)
14:55, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
Outcome
- In the outcome section of the openning box, shouldn't it be listed as an Imperial victory since it occured after Palpatine reformed the Republic? VhettSkirata Mando'ade 21:10, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
- No, it occured before Paly made his speech, declaring the Empire. Therefore the clones were still with the Republic. NaruHina Talk
04:08, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
Sith Lightsaber
Why didn't Vader used a Sith lightsaber during Operation: Knightfall instead of his blue Jedi lightsaber.--TyphussJediVader 15:20, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
- He had not yet received a red lightsaber from Palpatine. Please direct further questions of this nature to the Knowledge Bank. This page is for discussing changes to the article, not its content. NaruHina Talk 18:06, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
Units from games
* Clone assassins[6]
* Clone engineers[8]
* Clone heavy troopers[8]
o Clone demolition troopers[6]
* Clone jet troopers[8]
o Clone blaze troopers[6]
* Clone snipers[8]
* Decoy Squad Five[7]
Oh, come on. Who did this? Those different units are clearly included in the games for gameplay purposes only... --91.46.181.200 22:48, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
- They are all canon clone trooper variants. The EU materials canonize they were there. NaruHina Talk 03:33, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
- Only Battlefront's story is canon, not the game mechanics!? And there weren't any Bacaras ("clone heavy troopers") or Paratroopers ("clone snipers") or Galactic Marines ("clone commanders") at the Jedi Temple. It's known that BF goes against canon several times... --84.139.117.152 14:10, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
- Yes they were. The clone trooper classes from the game are not simply game mechanics. They are official clone trooper variants. BTW, the assassins and blaze troopers are from the ROTS game and Decoy Squadd Five is from the novel. NaruHina Talk 01:41, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
- They were not at the Jedi Temple, BF conflicts with the movie... --91.46.163.254 14:34, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
- Yes they were. The clone trooper classes from the game are not simply game mechanics. They are official clone trooper variants. BTW, the assassins and blaze troopers are from the ROTS game and Decoy Squadd Five is from the novel. NaruHina Talk
- Only Battlefront's story is canon, not the game mechanics!? And there weren't any Bacaras ("clone heavy troopers") or Paratroopers ("clone snipers") or Galactic Marines ("clone commanders") at the Jedi Temple. It's known that BF goes against canon several times... --84.139.117.152 14:10, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
Changes?
In my opinion, the outcome part of the info box should be like this:
Original version:
Republic victory; near destruction of the Jedi Order
My version (new):
- Republic/Sith victory
- Near eradication of the Jedi Order
My reasons are this: Firstly, both the Galactic Republic and the Order of the Sith Lords were involved in the attack, so the Sith should take part credit for the victory.
Secondly, the near destruction of the Jedi was a bi-product of the Republic/Sith victory. Also, the reason that destruction should be replaced with eradication, is because that the goal of the attack was to eradicate the Jedi. Destroy and eradicate may mean basically the same thing, but the latter works better in this situation/
These are just suggestions for changes; I don't mind if they're rejected. Smashb96' 13:54, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Order 66 and Operation: Knightfall were both enacted as contingency operations by the Republic. By enacting this procedure, Palpatine was acting not in his capacity as a Sith, but as the leader or the Republic; therefore, the Operation is attributed solely to the Republic. NaruHina Talk 15:35, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the info, but let me get this straight: even though the Sith were involved, their involvement in the operation can't be attributed to them, along with the Republic, because it wasn't official? I am I right or wrong about this?
Also, what about this change?
Original version:
Republic victory; near destruction of the Jedi Order
My version (new):
- Republic victory
- Near eradication of the Jedi Order
Why or why not should that be allowed? Smashb96' 20:54, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Because, as nominator, I prefer the current way and this sort of thing is generally left to the nominator's discretion as he/she put the time into writing the thing. I feel that way because it relays the information as a single line that feels cohesive whereas your way breaks it into two blurbs. NaruHina Talk 01:36, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
Jedi brutes & snipers
Now that Jedi brutes and Jedi Snipers are canon, should they be mentioned in the article? Zakor1138 02:22, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
Shaak Ti
There is no source, that she was there, only a deleted scene (which isnt Canon, because she died in it, but she is in Force Unleashed) So the Infbox must change... --84.59.177.181 17:46, January 12, 2013 (UTC)