Talk: Obi-Wan Kenobi/Legends/Archive3

Back to page |
< Talk:Obi-Wan Kenobi | Legends

This page is an archive of the discussion of an article. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's current talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.

Confederate remnants?

I'm 80% sure that he wasn't a member of the Confederate Remnants so I took it off the affiliations box. If I'm wrong, I apologise, but it looked like fanon to me. Darth Metus 20:20, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Obi-Wan's relation to Owen?

How does ATOC prove he's not Owen's brother? i never saw anythign proveing that point. Obi-Wan could have taken his mothers last name for some reason or another and remember like most Jedi he was taken at a VERY young age so that may havesoemthing to do with the whole thing

    • Owen was the son of Cliegg Lars, who married Shmi, making him Anakin's stepbrother so being Obi-Wan's brother was out. Jaina SoloGoddess Stuff20px 20:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I disagree. how would that single things out? we don't know who Obi-Wan's biological parents are and therefore they could be anyone includeing Clig and the unnamed wife. Owen could esily denie this becaus his distane for Obi-Wan and the Jedi Way. aswell I don't remember any sceens where the Lars family was seen mentioning or looking at anything to do with Obi-Wan unless it was that Holo. and if that is the case they sure didn't saya nything. so it's esey to retcon such a thing Valin "Tnu" "Shido" Suul 20:34, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
    • I wouldn't consider the Lars a "moderately wealthy family".--Lord OblivionSith holocron30px 21:53, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
      • In the 'Jedi Apprentice' series, (#3 'The Hidden Past') it DOES state that Obi-Wan had a brother by the name of Owen. But you do make a good point Jaina Solo, it must not be Owen Lars...

--Cocky Corellian 00:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

More on Obi-Wan's lightsabre

I just finished reading 'Rogue Planet', and in it, it says Obi-Wan is using Qui-Gon's lightsabre, unless I totally misread it. How does it fit into the chronology of his various lightsabres, or was this a mistake in the book? Is he still wielding it on Geonosis until it's taken away? I can find the line about it in the book, if needed. And of course, it's entirely possible I missed a note of this on the main page anyway. - (Indy Gold, not registered, but really should bother to do so) 68.251.146.98 02:23, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Found the line; it's page 241 of the paperback 'Rogue Planet':

"Starfighters!" he shouted, and tugged Anakin down beside him, just in time to avoid four slashes of laser fire. He pulled his lightsaber--Qui-Gon's lightsaber--from his belt, and the glowing green blade hummed to full length. - Indy Gold 68.251.146.98 02:53, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

    • in a new hope why does his lightsabre go all messed up/short in his duel against darth vader? User:Aron Skywalker
      • I always thought he was controlling the length (possibly with the Force) in an attempt to confuse or surprise Darth Vader. We already know that lightsabers lengths can be altered so I just assumed thats what he was doing. Grunny (Talk) 07:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
        • it could'nt be, it looked like it was a mistake, i thought it was either because of graphics problems or he hadn't used his saber in a long time so it got messed up User:Aron Skywalker

Totally unimportant question

I just couldn't help but ask. Is his hair color of 'brown' stated in the guide to characters or something? I only got a chance to flip through the pages of it for a minute or two, though I saw it was giving eye colors, at least, so I figure it probably gives hair colors too. I'm asking because his hair certainly wouldn't be counted as 'brown' by most standards; it's more of a dirty blond or strawberry blond than brown. - Indy Gold 05:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Yeah, New Essential Guide to Characters says that. -LtNOWIS 05:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Ah, okay, thanks. :) It least it's canon, even if it seems wrong. XD - Indy Gold 00:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Main Image

Why do we have an image of Obi-Wan in ANH? Shouldn't we have something more like this? Telos 22:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC) File:Masterobiwan.jpg File:Obi-Grin.jpg|Obi-Wan - Ewan File:Phantom3.jpg|Obi-Wan 2

  • Because we already agreed that it should be of Alec Guinness and that one is the best we have. --Redemption20pxTalk 22:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd go w/ a pic of Ewan...not that it really matters...he's just more...photogenic...there are some really good ones of him...like this one: (Obi-Wan - Ewan) - Cocky Corellian

  • Yuk. As much as I like Ewan's Obi-Wan, he looks like he's modelling those Jedi robes... - \\Captain Kwenn// — Ahoy! 17:29, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
    • I guess you're right...lol...how about this one: (Obi-Wan 2). What do you think? - Cocky Corellian 17:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
      • It was already decided that the most recent (meaning the characters life) image is to be used, and in Obi-Wan's case, that would be as he appeared in ANH before he was killed. - JMAS 18:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
  • I would frankly, like to see the main image swapped out for one of the better quality images below. - JMAS 19:40, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Not the first nor the second. Maybe I'd consider the third if croppe on the edges. --Redemption20pxTalk 20:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
      • How's that? - JMAS 20:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
        • Better. Maybe a little more but I'm not going to be picky about this one. It's up in the air. Current one has the full features shown and is technically promotional while this is a screenshot and has the hoodup...hm. Decisions, decisions, decisions...--Redemption20pxTalk 21:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

File:Obiwan old.jpg|Option 1 File:Old Ben.jpg|Option 2 File:Obi-WanANHII.jpg|Option 3

I LIKED the modeling one....:)...up to you guys...I'm gone... --Cocky Corellian 00:40, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

  • I prefer the present one. KEJ 19:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I like the thrid one the best. —Unsigned comment by 68.58.59.206 (talk • contribs)

Anakin´s "Brother"(?)...

My question is; Shmi "marries" with Cliegg Lars, Cliegg is the ture(or false) father of Owen Lars, the Obi-Wan´s brother named Owen Kenobi, Owen Lars is addopted(?)(is this very REALLY), Owen is the "stepbrother" of Anakin Skywalker, then, this means that Obi-Wan is brother of Anakin Skywalker? MayTheForceBeWhitYouAlways. Starkiller1996Adidas F50+20px 14 Febreaury 2007; 18:01 (UTC)

New main image

thumb|100px|Obi-Wan I hate to start up another one of these, but there's a good new image I propose we use. I first saw this pic on StarWars.com yeas ago, but it was very small, and I've always hoped to find a bigger one. Well today, they posted a new article on Obi-Wan with a nice big version of this pic, and I think it would make a great main image. Nice headshot & it's not a fake colorization like the current one. Thoughts? -- Ozzel 06:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Agree. I've actually been searching for this exact photo, but could never find a good quality one. If no one issues an objection, I'd support it being replaced. QuentinGeorge 07:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Done. As a bonus, it nicely matches the infobox colour. QuentinGeorge 07:27, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
      • Good find. I've also been looking for that. So makes three. But can we just tone down the background just a bit. Not much. And now that it's been changed, I can finally say that the other one was fan-edited in a major way. It was originally black and white until I got done with it...funny how nobody noticed. ;) --Redemption20pxTalk 19:22, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
        • Well, people noticed, just not the ones who'd raise a fuss. Anyway, I'm pretty content with the background on this one. Like QG said, it matches the infobox. -- Ozzel 04:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
          • I think that's a fabulous image for the infobox. - JMAS 04:30, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Cel Shaded Picture

I was just wondering, in the section Powers and abilities, there is a picture of younger Obi Wan (Ewan McGreggor years) and its almost cel shaded. I was just wondering where this picture comes from?

Age Issues

OK, my buddy Obi-Wan looked great, fit, and awesome in EP3. What, a couple decades pass and suddenly he looks like a bum in the back alleys of New York. What happened? He even stated, "So uncivilized", about Greivous, yet he reverts to primitive stages. Memory loss? Hair growth? Not much I expected from so short of time! Can someone please help? DarthMalevlent 23:13, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

  • It's called aging. We all do it. Just look in the mirror. It's happening right before your eyes. --Redemption20pxTalk 23:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Ha ha, funny. This isn't just aging, OK? In about 20 years, my dad only changed in facial hair issues. Poor Obi lost his hair color, got a bad reputation, and everything that happens when you sit alone in a homestead watching a boy complain about how bad his life is. DarthMalevlent 00:42, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
      • I was being serious. I was not giving you something to laugh at. Your father is not the prime human specimen especially if you are the product of his seed. Everyone ages differently. And you have to consider the fact that he is sitting on a burning rock in space. Such conditions increase appearance in age.--Redemption20pxTalk 00:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
        • Via technicality, my question isn't answered. Is there a backstory of exactly why he let himself go? I mean, as stated, he was in excellent shape in EP3, then he lost it all. Surely there was a backstory. DarthMalevlent 23:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
          • Who says he wasn't in excellent shape? Sure he couldn't do all that jumping crap that the Prequels jam down our throat but he certaintly was in excellent shape for someone his age. There is no backstory. This is what happens when people get old. Stop being such a damn idiot. --Redemption20pxTalk 23:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
            • Wow, Redemption, you've ruined a running streak. Never before had a fellow Wookieepedian been so rude until you. You ought to get a medal. Did you sue the neighbor who asked whether the apple from his yard that fell into your yard was still his? DarthMalevlent 23:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
              • Yes. I deserve a medal. Now are you done being an idiot or can we both get on with our lives? --Redemption20pxTalk 23:26, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
                • DarthMalevlent; do us a favour and stop bing such a sarcastic twit. Obi-Wan is thiry-eight years old in Ep III, he's fifty-seven in Ep IV. That's a fair gap for someone to get older in. Jasca Ducato Sith Council Sith Campaign 14:20, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
                  • This factor is out of the matter. This post was deleted, and someone brought it back up. Whoever did should not have, for it creates more of a hassle for those that don't care for it. I learned my lesson. Live with your satisfaction. DarthMalevlent 23:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

The fact is Alec Guinness turned 62 during the filming of ANH. He was a barely 5 years off Kenobi's in-story age.

  • actually, the gray hair can be caused by stress, which was he was clearly under during the jedi purge.

Kenobi's condition in the Episode IV was simply caused by living on a roasted rock in the middle of nowwhere for 20 years, and all things considered, he didn't look that bad. As for his physical abilities, say compared to Dooku. Dooku's focus was on his physical abilities, while Kenobi was busy meditating on the 'secret to imortality' and keeping an eye on Luke. As for the memory loss, I assume you're refering to the story he told Luke in his hut compared to what actually happened, he was telling Luke a dumbed-down, idealized version to avoid tramatizing the kid with nightmares of how the most notorious mass-murderer of the day is his dad. Lets face it, DarthMalevlent, how would Luke have reacted to that horrible truth.Darth Vatrir

Disappearance

In the article it says this:

Kenobi let down his guard and concentrated for a moment, vanishing to the spiritual plane; his body disappearing entirely just as Vader's lightsaber, instead of severing his body, passed through his empty robe.

Which would mean he disappeared before Vader struck him and he wasn't actually killed by Vader at all. However, the article also uses the quote "If you strike me down..." which suggests Kenobi was killed by Vader's saber and then his body vanished straight away, leaving only his cloak.

For example, the official site says this in its Obi-Wan entry:

As a diversionary tactic to help the others escape, Kenobi sacrificed himself to Vader. The Dark Lord struck the Jedi down, and Kenobi became one with the Force. He left behind no body, just empty robes and his own Jedi weapon.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/obiwankenobi/

Also, the script says:

Vader brings his sword down, cutting old Ben in half. Ben's cloak falls to the floor in two parts, but Ben is not in it.

And the novelisation says:

It struck home, cutting the old man cleanly in half. There was a brief flash as Kenobi's cloak fluttered to the deck in two neat sections. But Ben Kenobi was not in it.

Captain Yossarian 21:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I read somewhere that Vader took the lightsaber as his possession on how he had "finally defeated the Jedi". I read elsewhere that his lightsaber was obtained by Ben Skywalker. Just bringing this up. Also, I'd take the Wookieepedia answer rather than the databank, as in the old scripts of Star Wars, it describes Obi-Wan vanishing, becoming one with the Force before Vader had struck him. Even in the movie, it takes Vader another second to cut before Obi-Wan is gone. Either it's the after-effect of old movie-making or the true meaning. DarthMalevlent 23:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Time of Obi-Wan's rise to Mastery

  • so without a doubt Obi-Wan was made a Jedi Master and appointed to the Jedi Council during the Clone Wars, but does anyone exactly know when? In the Clone Wars series Obi-Wan is shown on the council arguing for anakin's ascension to knighthood, but it seems strange, at least to me, that Obi-Wan would have been given a mastership, and a seat on the council at the same time, without completing the training of his current padawan, Anakin. So can anyone shed more light on this?
  • Kenobi is made a master after Anakin reaches Knighthood in the events of Jedi Trial. He receives a seat on the council afterward. QuentinGeorge 02:39, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
  • ok thanks
  • Well, except that Anakin never took the trials. --192.251.125.85 08:46, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Why is he called a knight in e3?

Obi-Wan look-alike

  • In Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, one of the male character models looks distinctively like a young Obi-Wan with a beard. I haven’t got an image, though most people who have played KOTOR II should know what I mean. Do you think that maybe this deserves a mention in the trivia section? Nacen 15:32, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
  • No. The only similarities are that it's a white guy with a brown beard. We might as well mention every other brown-haired bearded guy in that case...--Redemption20pxTalk 18:08, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Name

Why is he Called "Crazy Old Hermit"? Why can't it just be "Obi-Wan Kenobi"? —Unsigned comment by 74.112.244.104 (talk • contribs)

Outraged!

This is completely not funny. Why has the article been renamed Crazy Old Hermit. I swear this April Fool's thing has gone too far! Ganko 17:10, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Qui-Gon Jinn or Yoda, which one is Obi-Wan's master?

Okay, In empire strikes back Obi says "You will go to Yoda the jedi master who taught me". But in Phantom menace Obi-Wan calls Qui-Gon "master". Can someone explain this?--Windu223 13:38, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

  • How many teachers did you have at school? QuentinGeorge 13:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Now I get it. They were both Obi-Wan Kenobi's master.--Windu223 17:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Yoda instructed all padawans until the age where they were either chosen by a Knight or Master as their padawan learner, or they got transferred to the AgriCorps. Yoda basically instructed all younglings in the temple at one point. - JMAS 18:08, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm a bit curious as to why Yoda isn't listed as one of Obi's masters to be honest. Whether he was a youngling or not, Obi-Wan was still under his tutelage. Anyway, Windu223, yes - they were both masters of Obi-Wan but what Obi-Wan tells Luke is still an irritating continuity error since he uses the definite article.(Ulicus 18:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC))

It's not a continuity error, if Kenobi had said Yoda was the "only" Jedi master that instructed him you'd have a case.

Yoda also taught him how to comune with Qui gon's Force Ghost! Ultimate star wars fan

  • Yes of course Lucas probably had it in his mind that Yoda was Obi-wan's main master, not Qui-gon when he created the first 3 movies. But in the prequel it would have been rather difficult to have Yoda as a lead character with the level of CGI at that time (though even a crappy Yoda would have been a breath of fresh air compared to Jar Jar), and he didn't want to tell the story like that. Yoda had to be the wise one and would never have accepted Anakin with the fear he sensed in him. However, it really does make sense with the change as it would be a lot easier to say Yoda the master who taught me, which should instil respect for him into Luke rather than saying he was a master on the Jedi council who trained me when I was a youngling, and helped guide me after my master Qui-gon died trying to fight a member of the newly resurrected Sith, and who taught me how to become one with the force when I die, after Qui-gon taught it to him. Had he explained that, Luke would have had tons more questions and they were pressed for time. So he simply said the master who taught me which was true enough. Livingston 06:54, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Stasis field

I was just looking at the page, Stasis field, and it says that it was only used on that Anzati guy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Obi Wan in a Stasis field in Episode II? The part when he got captured by Dooku? If so we need to update that page. Just thought I'd let you people know. Anzati02 21:59, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

  • I don't know what they were called but they were more like Graviton Shackles where they flow gravitons around the person keeping them in the air and unable to move. Bioevil087 05:41, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Main Pic

Dont you think the picture on Obi Wan is very bad? It looks horrible...

Intro

Best introduction to anyone ever.

Death

I always thought he decided to dissapear so that he could aid Luke later on... Gustafar 12:15, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah me too. Can anyone help me who seems to know more about Star Wars then me!--Anisolo1138 19:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)Anisolo1138

Picture

Alright, who changed the picture from Alec Guinness' Kenobi to Ewan Mcgregor's Padawan Kenobi? I suggest we put a Epis. III picture of Kenobi on the article, then we wait for Legacy #16 to come out, then if they have a good picture of Obi-Wan with his hair starting to turn grey, we put it as the main picture of the article. Agree? Disagree?--Jedi Kasra 02:56, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

  • No. Live action only and we already decided it needs to be of Alec. Leave the matter be. --Redemption20pxTalk 03:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't we say something?

Should something be mentioned about his appearance in Legacy Claws of the Dragon 3? We don't know how or why he is appearing, but apparently it's something big. [[Jedigeneral]]

  • If we don't know anything about his appearance, we might as well not put anything in until we know something. Perhaps a tidbit in the Behind the scenes section would do. Unit 8311 19:13, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Alec Guiness kills Obi-Wan

Please note that this is in no way a criticism of the content of this article, the compilers of which I commend for their thoroughness. In regard to the following paragraph found in the Obi-Wan Kenobi section:

"Despite great critical acclaim, Alec Guinness disliked being associated solely with the role of Obi-Wan. To limit his role in the trilogy, it was reportedly Guinness' own idea that Ben should die on the Death Star."

- I have come across similar statements in other places, and am in no place to argue against it, but I was wondering how such critical acclaim and Alec Guiness's discomfort with Obi-Wan's notoriety came about before the release of the film itself. It seems like a logical contradiction. Does anyone have any insight on this?

Thanks, and kudos for a great site!

Homeworld???

In the The Essential Guide to Characters it says that Kenobi's homeworld is Tatooine. Is that True????????????????????????Darth Nospher 22:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

  • It's true in the sense that it was the world he called home for nearly twenty years prior to A New Hope. jSarek 23:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  • I know opinion doesn't hold weight here, but I personally think Kenobi came from Chandrila, given his personality, memories and little personality quirks I've picked up from the movies and books. Cozmo 09:49 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I read somewhere that Obi-Wan doesn't really have a homeworld, due to the fact he was taken as an infant to the Jedi Temple. He says he remembers somewhere "green" which made me think he may have come from Naboo. Some think that he may have been born of Coruscant, which is a possibility. It seems that he does not remember the name or any characteristics of his homeworld. Also, you can't judge someone's birthplace by their personality. I'm Australian and the only thing that gives it away is that I'm a very free-minded person, but then, so are lots of women around the world.

  • I guess it depends on how you define "homeworld." He spend the most time on Coruscant, had a Coruscanti accent, etc, but he was born somewhere else entirely. And please sign posts, anon. -Milo Fett[Comlink] 16:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Dont you think it should be mentioned...

That both actors who played this character ended up hating Star Wars? Just seems like some behind the scenes info needed.--TheUltimate3 01:44, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

  • That Obi-Wan used a droid named R4-P17? It's not mentioned anywhere in the article. —Xwing328(Talk) 23:09, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Spoilers? Where!?

At the top of the article page it says that there are "MAJOR SPOILERS" in the article... WHERE? I just LOVE spoilers! :D --The_Wolfe 20:47, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the major spoiler tag came from Star Wars: Legacy 16. It was just neglected to be removed. --71.237.226.3 07:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Ok then, remove it. --ForceWound 21:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Tusken section: where does this come from?

in the Exile section it mentions him fighting off a band of tuskens. Where does this info come from?JediBob 01:32, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

  • A book where darth krayt tells cade his true identidy.Meesa yoda 02:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Claws of the Dragon, Part 3Meesa yoda 03:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
      • No it does not. I have that comic and that is never talked about!JediBob 17:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
        • What section is this in?Meesa yoda 02:37, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
          • I believe that the info (Obi-Wan fighting the band of Tuskens) came from the short story called "The Last One Standing" by Jude Watson. --71.237.226.3 06:04, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

rock

does the article have anything about the rock quigon gave him?Meesa yoda 22:45, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

  • i don't think so but if your going to add something about please include that on anakin skywalker's 13th birthday obi-wan gave it to him and to his surprise anakin, unlike kenobi cherished it whereas other padawans at his age would be recieving things like padded tunics and stuff.

Jripper5 02:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

OBI WAN'S AGE

why is it that when episode 3 finishes obi wan seems to be only 30 years old yet when you see him in episode 4 he is a very very old man? if im correct if you look at the time differences for each episode... episode1 he's around 20 years old. episode2 that's 10 years later so 30. and episode3 that's 3 years later so 33. and then episode4 that's 17 years(because of luke and leia's age) so that's only 50 what's going on???Jripper5 02:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Oh, how very wrong you are on all points. In Episode I, he is 25 years old. Ten years later, in Episode II, he is 35. Three years later, in Episode III, he is 38. Nineteen years later, in Episode IV, he is 57. See what happens when, instead of operating on false assumptions, you actually read the article so see why things are how they are and see the big blinking birth date in his infobox right at the top there? The article is there for a reason. Read it before asking questions. Havac 03:02, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

A seven year difference in age calculation hardly warrants that kind of response. Nevertheless, Alec Guinness was born in 1914 so in Episode IV he is a 63 year-old playing a "57" year-old. With all his silver/gray hair he does seem much older then he should be.

Not really, because Obi Wan was living in harsh conditions, and harsh conditions does age a person a bit, I should know.

A seven year age difference in calculation doesn't warrant that kind of response, I think you were a bit harsh. I over look things all the time. It is true that Obi Wan is 25 in Ep I (I read it somewhere, but I forgot where) but he does look alot younger—Unsigned comment by 59.100.219.89 (talk • contribs)