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November 17, 2006	Failed Featured article nominee
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Image

could some put a screenshot of him in the ROTS game?

Last to Die

It is confirmed in the Visual Dictionary (which is G-canon) that Nute Gunray is the last of the Separatist council to be killed by Anakin on Mustafar. -- Lord Patrick

"Neimoidians are cunning political manipulators, but they are also untrustworthy and cowardly." - that feels like a sweeping statement to make. --SparqMan 14:18, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Removed -Imperialles 14:41, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

"He was alleged to be having an affair with Lora Besh, who in 22 BBY, just before the start of the Clone Wars, released an unauthorized biography of Gunray, entitled Gunray On Top. It spent at least several months as a top-ten bestseller, and its sales may have increased due to its subject's involvement in the war" - Is this for real? Sounds like a prank to me.--Spanky The Dolphin 00:32, 1 Aug 2005 (UTC)

It's From HoloNet News, apparently. --Imp 00:53, 1 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- Indeed it is; see it here. jSarek
In the novelization of Star Wars episode 3, Nute seems to keep repeating himself like "The war...the war is over. Lord Sidious promised...he promised we would be left in peace". Why does he do that?-Wattambor2000
- The obvious answer would be that he thought the war was over, and Sidious promised that they would be left in peace. — Silly Dan 01:30, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
  - If you're wondering about the repetition, that's simply a nervous stutter. – Aidje _talk 02:28, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I'm not so sure about that. The website only mentions the book. I think who ever wrote that must've been thinking about Nute Gray's Affair with Lora Bush

First of all: Don't post in the middle of a discussion. And it's Nute Gunray and Lora Besh. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Succession box

Yet again, this article is plagued with an unhelpful, odd succession box. Nute Gunray was not preceded by General Grievous. Grievous was not the Head of State of the Confederacy and Gunray was not its military leader. --SparqMan 20:22, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Actually, after Count Dooku's death, General Grievous became the acting leader of the CIS. After word of Grievous's defeat and death on Utapau, Gunray (being the leader of the (allegedly) largest faction under Separatist control) became the next and last acting Head of State for the Separatists. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 21:25, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- Really? Is there a source on that? --SparqMan 04:24, 6 Aug 2005 (UTC)
  - Yes, I have read it somewhere. Once I find the source, I will make sure to post it here. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:59, 6 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- Given your inaccuracy on the other CIS succession box, I will remove it for now. If you find a source, share it and we can add it back in. --SparqMan 15:16, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
  - What inaccuracy on the other CIS succession boxes? I fixed them to make them right. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:16, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
    - The Grievous box, which has GG as Gunray's successor. There are no overall CIS leaders besides Dooku and Grievous. The Councilors each lead a different guild, not the CIS itself, regardless of what you may have read - Kwenn
      - Since I couldn't find the source of the information, I changed the succession box on Grievous's page. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:15, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Last Edit

Okay, let me say just one thing: The last edit was complete crap. It deserves to be redone into the way it was before the major edit. That's why I'm changing it. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:43, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

What was wrong with the last edit? It seemed to have a lot more information.

More like too much information. Do you have any idea how long it took me to read, let alone redo the article? What was there, and is there now, is fine. If you have something to add, please don't rewrite the entire article when you can just add the information into the appropiate spot on the article. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:02, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Age?

Does anyone know Gunray's age at his death? I'm planning on looking it up throughout the rest of the Internet, but if anyone here knows it, please tell me. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 14:53, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Well, if he began his political career in 44 BBY, then I would say about 45 24.63.167.114 22:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

But he could have entered politics at age 45. Unfortunately, it isn't know. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 23:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Picture

Any chance we can get a better picture of Gunray for the info box? One from Episode III, possibly? Cmdr. J. Nebulax 12:06, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, Redemption. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 13:17, 20 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- What about this picture? Telos 23:00, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[[File:Nute_Gunray..jpg|left|thumb|100px|Nute Gunray]]
  - Bad size. Bad quality. Get it out of my sight. --Redemption^Talk 23:09, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
    - The quality's good; it's the fact that it was taken from an image with Gunray and Haako side-by-side. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 00:40, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

"Only villain besides Sidious"

What was wrong with the bit about Anakin Skywalker? It's true, as Ben says, from a certain point of view. Thanos6 19:27, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Skywalker was not a villain in Episodes I and II. Therefore, that is not needed. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:41, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)

What about Battle and Destroyer Droids? Rune Haako 20:23, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

They aren't villains. They're droids. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:27, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

But Rune Haako appeared in all prequel episodes.--CSW2008 (talk) 18:17, April 23, 2020 (UTC)

Star Wars Clone Wars cartoon appearance?

The Hyperspace Avatars say it's him.

http://img33.( image shack dot U S )/img33/7936/clonewarsnute8us.jpg http://img379.( image shack dot U S )/img379/4098/clonewarsnute28ma.jpg

Though why is he dressed like Gilramos Libkath?

It's a cartoon. What do you expect? And while it does seem like him, I'm not sure if it was him, no matter what the avatars say. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:32, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
- In addition, Clone Wars has screwed up many other times. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:35, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
  - Also, the cartoon shows 'Nute' being led away with the Muuns, and there's been no other material detailing any escape from Republic prison on Gunray's part. I'd go with 'random Neimoidian lackey' - Kwenn 21:45, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
    - San Hill was captured as well, has there been anything about him escaping? Rune Haako 21:56, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
      - Don't think so, but it might be in the Episode III Visual Dictionary. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:48, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
        It says it the ROTS Visual Dictionary that he was let out. Telos 01:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
        Well, this doesn't matter much; it's been established that Gunray wasn't on Muunilinst. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 02:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
        
        I think they detailed his escape in the Star Wars Insider HoloNet News feeds, but I can't find it on here.-LtNOWIS 20:40, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
        I don't think so. I'm a big fan of the Insider's HoloNet, and I never saw it. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:42, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

The Stark Hyperspace War

Can anyone post a pic of Nute from the comic?--Rune Haako 22:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

There's an image of Gunray in the Ultimate Visual Guide with Qui-Gon Jinn, so, perhaps someone can take that one and make it smaller. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:57, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Nute on Fire

I think we should include a line in behind the scenes that Nute was originally going to be killed by Jango Fett's flamethrower in the arena.

In the run-up to AotC, I remember a thread at TFN with a picture of this (Nute in flames). Could someone else confirm it, because I can find little information on this cut scene now. KastMorben 12:38, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, a source is needed, because this sounds like something a fan made up. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:21, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
- It was early storyboards for AOTC, IIRC. QuentinGeorge 06:12, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
  - I'd like to see this picture, if possible. Admiral J. Nebulax ^(talk) 21:34, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Death

In RotS, Nute was killed in the Control Room after Anakin followed him into the Conference Room. In the book, he is killed in the conference room. Is this a mistake or what, and are there any other sources to prove one point or another? Mastermundi 12:43, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

In this case, the visual source would be correct. Admiral J. Nebulax ^(talk) 21:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Mastermundi 11:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Admiral J. Nebulax ^(talk) 20:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Have you ever encountered a Jedi Knight before?

The article curently reads "...during which Gunray commanded his battle droid bodyguards to open fire—without specifying the enemy. Jedi Master Tyvokka was gunned down by Nute's droids, though the cowardly Neimoidian demanded the surviving Jedi help him to his ship." But in Episode I he says he has never encountered a Jedi. Mistake?

If so we should go with the Movie, as G-canon.

He had clear, undeniable dealings with the Jedi during the Stark Hyperspace War. It's in the nature of Nemoidians to lie, so it's not really a contradiction. Anyways, here's the exact quote from TPM:

"RUNE : Have you ever encountered a Jedi Knight before, sir?"

"NUTE : Well, not exactly, but I don't..." --LtNOWIS 22:54, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Still, wasn't Episode I made before the comics with the Stark Hyperspace War? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 23:54, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
The Stark Hyperspace War story specifically concludes with "Nute Gunray would continue to deny ever seeing a Jedi Knight in action." It's addressed, so it's not a contradiction. QuentinGeorge 02:49, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Okay, then. Thanks. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 12:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Birthdate

Was Nute Gunray actually born 65 BBY? (see Timeline#The rise of the Empire era) Jaywin 21:12, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
- I'd don't think so. I'd check the article's history to see who added it in, but it's a pretty big article with a pretty big article history. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 23:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Main image

As I stated before, nothing has changed on Gunray since Ep. 1, other than his hat. Would this be a good main picture?

[[File:Nutestands bg.jpg]]

Usually, we want images of people in their later years (with some exceptions). I personally like the current image. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:44, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
- Its simply to dark (the pic ^), although i do understand why people want the more common apperance of Gunray such as Epp1 or 2. But i stand with Jack still Jedi Dude 19:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  - Yes, it is rather dark. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:48, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
How about this:

[[File:Gunraycomeandgetit.jpg|200px]]

- Hmmm its better, but its just not main image quality Jedi Dude 20:27, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I got nothing. Lets keep the pic. we have, Until I find a good trading card to scan that will be another possability for main Gunray image. Yes, the two above are from Trading cards. --Jabbathehuttgartogg 20:45, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
*sigh* Way to twist my words around so we could change all the images...the only reason this applies to to Classical Characters is because, for one, they are classical, older, more familiar. Nute Gunray is a nobody. His image must be from his latest movie apperance. --Redemption^Talk 20:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I wouldn't say he's a nobody. --Jabbathehuttgartogg 21:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Let me put it this way. Nobody is going to make a parody where someone is wearing his hat and then someone goes up to him and says "Nice Nute Gunray look" in some TV show. --Redemption^Talk 21:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
- Aghh, I see. True, I never thought he was a MAJOR character, like his nomination on FA says. More of a minor character, and that was in epidoe 1. He made cameos in the other two. I don't really see what's special about him, honestly. --Jabbathehuttgartogg 22:36, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  - He wasn't a major character, but he wasn't a minor character either. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 00:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Quotes

The head quote tells exactly nothing about Gunray. It's a rather poor choice, in my opinion. Furthermore, this excessive linking in quotes has got to stop. For example:

"We would not do anything with out the approval of the Senate. You assume too much."

―Nute Gunray to Queen Amidala before invading Naboo

This is ripe with excessive linking, and looks plain silly. Links to the subjects linked here, are already found in the article, and it is already implied that Gunray speaks on behalf of the Trade Federation to Amidala, both in the quote itself (notice the "Nute Gunray to ..." bit) and in the article. In fact, there should be something about this in the manual of style. --Imp 19:10, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

So we can't have links to show what certain things mean in quotes? That's stupid. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- It's not needed to explain everything in a quote with a link. If it requires you to do so, it's not a very useful quote. Plus, linking everything makes the article look awkward. --Imp 19:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
  - But that's just your opinion. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:45, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
    - Your observational skills are overwhelming. At any rate, I'll see if I can't get a CT rolling on this case in a few days. --Imp 19:47, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
      - So you're basically saying "Figure it out on your own" to people who don't know what the "we"s and "you"s are talking about in a quote. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
        Sometimes it is useful, especially since most quotes are taken out of context. I agree that things such as "we" and "you" should be linked if not readily obvious through context, though actual names probably don't need to be, especially if they also appear in the main text - Kwenn 19:51, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
        It should be obvious who "we" and "you" are if you read the article. Heck, you don't even have to read the article, just read the "Nute Gunray to..." bit. --Imp 19:52, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
        Since you were talking about a CT, I was speaking generally. Sometimes its necessary to include such links for clarity - Kwenn 19:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
        I know, but I had to place my comment one step down because I had an edit conflict with you. ;) I agree that maybe links should be used for total clarity, but there's no need to go berserk with the link-axe. --Imp 19:56, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
        Still, links are as necessary in a quote as they are in articles. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:55, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
        Quotes are still part of the article. There's no need to link what has already been linked once in an article, in a quote. --Imp 19:56, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
        Since this is turning into a debate about quotes in general, I suggest it be moved to the Senate Hall.--Darth Oblivion^Comlink 19:58, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
        I don't see it as an issue. Here, no, it's not needed, since names not only appear in the line below, but also in the text itself. Elsewhere, however, things may be less obvious - Kwenn 19:59, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
        I still say links are needed in quotes. But, if the rest of the community says otherwise in another stupid vote, I guess I'll have to comply. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 20:00, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
        Ugh. Should we get rid of links in image captions as well?--Darth Oblivion^Comlink 20:56, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
        Good point, Darth Oblivion. Removing links from quotes is like removing links from captions, which isn't a good thing. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 22:10, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

ROTS Emphasis should be removed

Why is there a ROTS emphasis on this article? The lead quote is awful, it says nothing about the character of Gunray, and there should be a TPM image .... 06:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

No, and no. Unless you can find a better quote summing up Gunray, that quote stays. As for the picture, that stays, too. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 10:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

"These Federation types are cowards. The negotiations will be short"

―Qui-Gon Jinn

That's not a great quote, but it tells us a hell of a lot more about Gunray than the quote up there at the moment. Maybe an EU source would be good? .... 22:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Again, no. The current quote is much better than that one. Plus, that one doesn't even say Gunray specifically. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 22:37, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
- What are you talking about, much better? The current one says nothing about Gunray at all, it's totally irrelevant. Do you own Labyrinth of Evil, Grand Admiral? I'm sure that there was a great Grievous quote about Gunray in there. I don't have it (wish I did...great book). .... 05:01, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
  - The current one is better than yours because this one actually is referring to Gunray. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 11:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, but it's saying nothing about him at all. I know there's a great quote in LOE, we just have to find someone who's got the book and knows it well. Nute doesn't have a great lot of quotes from the films that refer to his personality, other than

"This is impossible!"

―Nute Gunray

Which is a kinda ironic quote, but I don't think it would work. There is that Sio Bibble quote about him from AOTC, but I can't remember it from heart. .... 11:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, Bibble's quote is basically "It's outrageous. After four trials in the Supreme Court, Nute Gunray is still Viceroy of the Trade Federation." Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 20:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
- Oh. That's kinda dissapointing. Like AOTC in general. Damn, who here has LOE? .... 22:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
  - I do, but I wouldn't know where to look for it. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 22:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
OK, If I recall correctly, it was near the start, when Grievous is about to meet with Gunray. Grievous' opinion of Nute would make a fantastic opening quote. .... 00:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
- I'll look it up when I have time. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 11:03, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
  - I've got LoE and I think I have the quote. Is this it? "Admit us, Viceroy. Or shall I instruct my elite to lay waste to everything that stands between me and you?"

- Grievous Telos 06:49, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Judging from Thefourdot's description of the quote, it's more of a thought that an actual statement. I may be wrong, though. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 15:36, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
- "Poor Gunray, Pitiful creature." -Dooku's thoughts. Telos 22:45, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

There was a good quote that described exactly how Gunray viewed General Grievous in Labirynth of Evil - "Lord Sidous' alloy puppet. Were it not for the Trade Federation you would have no army to command!" Vice 19:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Gunray only villian to appear in all three films of the prequel trilogy aside from Darth Sidious.

Should that be changed now since Haako is now comsidered to be in AOTC?--Rune Haako 16:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I suppose so. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:16, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- To who's mind is Gunray a villain?--IG-Prime^{(Sentience Core)} 05:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
  - I want her head on my desk!. Pretty villainous. .... 06:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
    - ...I guess your right.--IG-Prime^{(Sentience Core)}[[File:Arakyd Industries.jpg|20px]] 07:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
      - Plus the fact that they were allied with Sidious. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 14:19, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
        After witnessing Sidious annihilating the whole Trade Federation Council, I am guessing Gunray did the smart thing and did not cross Sidious. In other words, after having witnessed him assassinate half of his collegues on his behalf, he probably smarter not to quit his service. He was with Sidious out of fear and greed, not malice towards the galaxy, or the jedi.--IG-Prime^{(Sentience Core)} 14:37, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
        Actually, Gunray didn't witness the death of the Trade Federation Directorate, if I recall correctly. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 14:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
        But he knew Sidious was behind it.--IG-Prime^{(Sentience Core)} 14:51, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
        I wasn't disputing that. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 18:59, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
        I am just saying, Gunray had no choice.--IG-Prime^{(Sentience Core)} 19:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
        Very true. Nonetheless, he was a villian. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:05, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
        I guess I can agree with that. After all he was greedy. Greed is a path to the dark side.--IG-Prime^{(Sentience Core)} 19:06, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
        Good thing they didn't make him a Force user. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 21:39, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
        I guess.--IG-Prime^{(Sentience Core)} 21:20, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
        Had they made him a Force user, TPM would have probably been far worse. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 23:05, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
        ....we don't know yet. I smell a senseless retcon. .... 23:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
        For what? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 23:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
        
        What is TPM?--IG-Prime^{(Sentience Core)} 23:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
        The Phantom Menace. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 23:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Nah, I was just kidding. But wouldn't that make him the most significant non-force using villain of the saga? Or does that mantle go to Boba Fett? Or Jabba the Hutt? .... 23:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
- Well, for the prequel trilogy, it's Gunray. The original trilogy is probably a tie with Fett and Jabba. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 23:15, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
  - I see, thanks for clearing that up.--IG-Prime^{(Sentience Core)} 23:17, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
    - No problem. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 23:53, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

FA Failure

Ah, yes, one of the flaws of Wookieepedia's FA system. Why did it fail? I'm curious because I'm going to start work on this article, but barring a personality/traits section (and a better quote), I don't see what's wrong with it. .... 00:30, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Why's it such a big deal? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 00:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
- Because I want to fix what was wrong and re-submit it. And on Wikipedia, they archive failed noms as well, allowing editors to read through the objections and adress them accordingly. .... 01:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
The reason it was moved off the FA page (I believe I was the one who did it) is that it had standing objections that had not been resolved after a span of 1 month. We really should have an archiving method, you're right. This could be part of the much-discussed but not-yet-decided-upon FA reform. - breathesgelatin^Talk 09:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I agree—a FA reform is needed. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 12:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Body recovered?

What's the source for his body being recovered, and put in a tomb?--Rune Haako 01:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think there is any. I think it came off Wikipedia. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 12:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- I didn't see anything about it there, I've removed it, if someone can tell the source here then they can put it back up.--Rune Haako 05:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Nebulax

Jack, can we both agree to just removing the whole "acted like most Neimoidians" thing and replace it with a simple "Gunray was this and that"? --Imp 01:56, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Definitely. It seems jSarek protected it too late. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 01:58, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

What's wrong?

What's wrong with the article, it won't work?--Rune Haako 06:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Looks like it was just on my side, works now.--Rune Haako 09:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
- Glad it works for you now. I was about to post, but your post was submitted at the same time as mine. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 14:40, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
  - Thanks! :)--Rune Haako 18:09, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
    - No problem. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 01:57, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Main photo dispute

Okay, there seems to be a dispute between Redemption and Fourdot over the main image of Nute Gunray. The Episode III page is said to be of better quality, yet lacks a source. The Episode I screenshot is said to be of poorer quality, yet cites its sources. Personally, I've never understood why people get so bent out of shape over images, but it is nearly 9:00pm here in California, and I just got of work a little while ago, so lets try to be reasonable here. From what I've seen, Fourdot would like a source for the Promo image. Redemption, could you please provide one? -- SFH 04:43, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

If I had a source, don't you think I would have put it up? We know it's official. I don't see how it should affect it's FA nomination. --Redemption^Talk 04:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, where on the web did you find it? -- SFH 04:55, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- I upload alot of images. You expect to me to remember one I uploaded over a year ago? --Redemption^Talk 05:03, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
  - Despite it being obviously official, it's a pot-hole in the road to being an FA, since FA's should have all images sourced. So let's just have the other image in for the time being. During which time, Redemption or someone else can find the source, or we can find a new, better image. .... 07:33, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
    - There's no point in changing the image just so the article can become a FA and then change it back afterwards. Thefourdot, while I appreciate your attempts at bringing articles up to FA status, I think that idea is very pointless. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 15:33, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
      - That's beside the point. We shouldn't have unsourced images just hanging around in articles. FA aside, we should remove it till it has a source. .... 02:18, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
        Well, it's probably just a promotional shot for Episode III. And no, it shouldn't be removed. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 14:33, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
        Well, if it doesn't get sourced or removed, this article is going to fail at FA. Which is hardly fair. .... 03:38, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
        First off, it hardly seems fair that the articles image gets replaced by an image that is just pure crap. Second, only Imp is withholding ONE vote. It's not going to make that much of a difference if only he isn't satisfied with the article (Palaptine won and that image doesn't have a source either). And finally, not winning FA just because there isn't a source on an image which anyone with half a brain knows is an official image by Lucasfilms, is not the end of the world. Just putting a little star on the top or the source isn't going to make the article better. --Redemption^Talk 03:46, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
        Well, a little while back we had a Boba Fett image that was so obviously real...but then...it wasn't. And when submitting an FA, I like to adress all objections. Yeah...some of us users actually submit content. I know...might be a tad hard for you to comprehend. .... 04:11, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
        Actually. That Boba Fett image was well known to be fanon from the start. Most of us turn a blind eye to these certain things. But I guarantee that the Gunray image is official...though that may be a little difficult for you to comprehend or understand how the EIII promo shots were taken. --Redemption^Talk 05:24, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
        Hey. It may very well be an official source. But...since there's no source...how do we know? How do we know. But, you know...I might just get up off my arse and attempt to find out where that image came from. Don't worry, I don't expect you to help, since yours is currently playing host to your head. .... 05:30, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
        Very well. I didn't plan on helping. I already searched through starwars.com and I have no intentions of bending over backwards anymore then I have. If you want to ruin your chances at getting this as a FA by changing the image to something that has no place except in a garbage can or starting an edit war. That's your choice. But your only hurting your own cause. You won't find a better image then what you've got and you know it. --Redemption^Talk 05:39, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
        Meh. There are better. Namely ones that aren't half-immersed in darkness. But, you know, I'm willing to give the baby its bottle. .... 05:40, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
        Good luck finding them. You'll need it. Especially ones that suit your pathetic obsession with head shots. --Redemption^Talk 05:43, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
        
        D'oh. Found where I got it. Happy? --Redemption^Talk 05:50, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
        Very. In fact, I just found the image as well, though it was on a Japanese Databank. .... 05:57, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
        Thefourdot, sometimes you need to realize that you're not going to get every article up to Featured Article status. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 15:14, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
        Watch. .... 21:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
        What's that supposed to mean? —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 21:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Gunray is a green goon. None of his pictures look good. What's the problem?
- Keep pointless comments off of talk pages. And I was asking Thefourdot about something. The main topic of this discussion is over. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 22:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  - My apologies. You are right.
    - Please, don't apologize. I'm not trying to scold you; I'm just trying to give you some advice. The absence of "Please" at the beginning of my last comment was my fault. Also, you can sign your name using this: "~ ~ ~ ~", but without the spaces. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 22:18, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Blockade of Naboo image.

Any chance we can get a better image? It's pretty dark. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 20:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that's just how it is. Every version of that image I've seen (even cover of Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter) is dark like that.Eggmanland 20:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
- My cover of Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter shows the image lighter, which is why I brought this up. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 20:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
  - Looking again, you're right. Eggmanland 21:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
    - I've searched and I can't find any that look lighter, other than the cover of Shadow Hunter. I think the best bet might be for someone to get a screen capture of that moment from the DVD and see how that turns out. Might be able to at least get a slightly larger version. - JMAS 21:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
      - And someone should get the Shadow Hunter cover one as a back up. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 22:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
        I've got it, but it's pretty small. - JMAS 22:14, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
        No way to enlarge it? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 22:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
        Not without making it look horrid, sorry. - JMAS 22:18, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
        No need to apologize; it's not yout fault. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 22:19, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
How's the image look now? Brighted the existing one a bit in Photoshop. - JMAS 13:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- Much better. Thanks. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 14:06, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
  - No problem. No point in having software like that if you don't use it. ;) - JMAS 14:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
    - Agreed. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 14:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

WTF?

"Gunray was alleged to be having an affair with Lora Besh, who, in 22 BBY, just before the start of the Clone Wars, released an unauthorized biography of Gunray, entitled Gunray On Top. It spent at least several months as a top-ten bestseller, and its sales may have increased due to its subject's involvement in the war."

Is this a joke? It sounds funny and kind of like fanon. —Unsigned comment by 67.150.172.243 (talk • contribs)

Yes, it is a joke, but it is completely canonical. -- Ozzel 04:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Also, don't blank half the talk page, anon. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 12:23, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Replace Sidious with Dooku?

"The Viceroy of the Trade Federation was once in league with this Darth Sidious. But he was betrayed ten years ago by the Dark Lord. He came to me for help. He told me everything. The Jedi Council would not believe him. I tried many times to warn them but they wouldn't listen to me. Once they sensed the Dark Lord's presence, it would then be too late. You must join me, Obi-Wan, and together we will destroy the Sith."

―Count Dooku^[src]

To me, this contradicts the first paragraph of "Clone Wars" in this article: After four trials in the Republic Supreme Court, Gunray still maintained control over the Trade Federation, although several of his associates were killed in the Battle of Naboo. Sidious then instructed Gunray to join the Confederacy of Independent Systems, which wished to secede from the Galactic Republic. The article says that Gunray was still in league with Sidious, while Dooku's line suggests that Gunray ran away from Sidious and allied with Dooku (obviously unaware of Dooku's alliance with Sidious). There are different options (Dooku might be misleading Kenobi with blatant lies; or maybe it happened as he said and, at that point, Gunray believed that Sidious was unrelated to the C.S.I.). However, we are still talking about the movies, the hightest canon. What's exactly the source for the information in bold? - Skippy Farlstendoiro 11:22, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

It's very likely Dooku said that to Kenobi only to make it seem like he was the good guy, so that Kenobi would join the Confederacy. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 17:57, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- I believe Labyrinth of Evil (or the ROTS novel, can't quite remember) contradicts the bolded sentence. Dooku convinced Gunray, not Sidious. After Naboo, Gunray did not see Sidious for nearly a decade. Chack Jadson 18:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
  - Well, we need to figure out which novel it was, then. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 18:11, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
    - Labyrinth of Evil, page 42. Chack Jadson 18:21, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
      - Ah. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 18:24, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
        I'll remove that information if it's still there then. Chack Jadson 18:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
        Good. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 18:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Gunray and Reagan

I heard somewhere that Gunray was GL's parody of Ronald Reagan and his Star Wars missile defense, but GL has either not commented on this or said this isn;t ture. True or not, the perception is there given the similarities of the name. Why isn;t this on this page? Katana Geldar 10:07, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Main Image

Could the main image be swaped for another one? This one is in dark lighting and makes him look more menacing than normal. Xanofar 16:03, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Suggest a new one then. Mauser 16:27, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Continual error...

Last time I watched PM, I remember seeing Gunray on the Trade Federation Ship when Anakin destroys it. Is this someone else or a continual error? —Unsigned comment by Mochlum (talk • contribs)

Its Daultay Dofine. That too is a Continual error, but not of the type you mentioned. I would explain, but since this is Gunray's page and it really has nothing to do with him, I won't 97.114.132.109 03:25, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Only Villain in all 3 Episodes aside from Palpatine

" Besides Palpatine, he is the only villain to appear in all three episodes of the prequel trilogy." Not true, what about Rune Haako, and apparently Passel Argente (who is stated to be in Episode I)?--RexGodwin (talk) 04:43, November 4, 2014 (UTC)