Talk page discussion
Moving some discussion of aspects of this article from my talk page to here. Yrfeloran 23:48, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
- For one, Tyris is not the Saarai-Kaar's husband and her child is not Tyris' (they are different species). Some phrasing in I, Jedi may have lead you to think this, but it's said the husband was crushed with other apprentices in the collapse of the dome after Tyris's death. There is no source that I know of for Tyris being a Jedi Master. Nor is he the first Saarai-Kaar, as Elegos said that the existing Saarai-Kaar was the first one. Fact Files, (afaik, don't have it on hand) has made him canonically an acolyte of Dooku's. I have no idea where you got the Komari Vosa information (is this in Fact Files?), but if you have an actual source I'd love to see it. I just don't see where you're getting a lot of the information you are posting. Yrfeloran 21:30, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
- Ooh, I don't know about that, I'm pretty sure that he is the Saarai-Kaar's husband, and that IS his son. I knew they were of different species, which I found odd. I don't have my copy of I,Jedi to hand though, so I can't confirm that. The SWRPGNETWORK article 'I,Jensaarai' which pretty much collects all the information on the Jensaarai (with some fanon) lists Tyris as a Jedi Master, and the Saarai-Karr as his wife. It also lists him as the first Saarai-Kaar, which makes sense, since he founded the group. Again, without the book to hand, I only have my memory to work from. Tyris and the nascent Jensaarai are listed as having gone to Baltizaar, around the same time as Komari Vosa. I did imply that though they went to the planet at the same time, it's unclear if they were part of the same task force. This I got from the Star Wars Timeline Gold, which lists the Jensaarai on Baltizaar as having come from 'The power of the Jedi Sourcebook', 'The Krytos Trap' and 'I,Jedi'. Someone else has also put Tyris in the Baltizaar article as having travelled with Vosa. I think Tyris being an acolyte of Dooku is something of a continuity boob, since he IS the founder of the Jensaarai, and the Jensaarai were alleged to have been founded shortly before the Clone Wars. Regardless, I haven't read these fact files myself, so I didn't remove the reference to it. I'm surprised you just reverted the article, since the reversion still lists Tyris as the first Saarai-Kaar. I've put my edit back in, since I think it expands on canon information a lot more and is better written. If you're going to tweak it, I'd rather you just edited the article and removed the offending material than just reverted it. As I said, I'm working from memory, so I won't be able to confirm anything either way for a couple of days until I get my hands on the source material. In the meantime, if you have the material to hand, I'll just trust your judgment in editing the article. Jedi Xian 22:39, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
- The husband is mentioned only twice... "It was a Halcyon who slew my Master and my husband that day" and "When that dome collapsed, my husband was crushed. We lost a half-dozen friends and I was left alone with three other apprentices." The first is ambiguous, the second (since Tyris's death starts the dome collapsing) implies Tyris was not the father. Power of the Jedi - okay, looking at this, it does have information that puts Tyris at Baltizaar, but since Nejaa's death has been retconned to after Jedi Trial (during the Clone Wars), some of the POTJ stuff is inaccurate in that it puts Nejaa's death before the Clone Wars. It does firmly say that Tyris was a Jedi Knight. (Also, Komari Vosa was not leading the mission to Baltizaar, she actually smuggled her way onto the mission and was not supposed to be there). Latest source has Tyris as Dooku's minion, I think. Remember, Dooku could well have recruited him before the Clone Wars. Dooku's a Sith since shortly after Naboo. When Elegos is talking to the Saarai-kaar, he says she's the first one and she's fashioned the Jensaarai out of what she learned from her master, and she says "Yes, this is so." Working off primary sources is always better than secondary ones, and there's a lot of secondary stuff of uncertain lineage in there. Do you know if this 'I, Jensaarai' article you saw is the same one that was in Polyhedron, or a fan creation? I was a little hasty, but your edits raised several mental red flags. I'm moving this to the Tyris talk page. Yrfeloran 23:48, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
- Ooh, I don't know about that, I'm pretty sure that he is the Saarai-Kaar's husband, and that IS his son. I knew they were of different species, which I found odd. I don't have my copy of I,Jedi to hand though, so I can't confirm that. The SWRPGNETWORK article 'I,Jensaarai' which pretty much collects all the information on the Jensaarai (with some fanon) lists Tyris as a Jedi Master, and the Saarai-Karr as his wife. It also lists him as the first Saarai-Kaar, which makes sense, since he founded the group. Again, without the book to hand, I only have my memory to work from. Tyris and the nascent Jensaarai are listed as having gone to Baltizaar, around the same time as Komari Vosa. I did imply that though they went to the planet at the same time, it's unclear if they were part of the same task force. This I got from the Star Wars Timeline Gold, which lists the Jensaarai on Baltizaar as having come from 'The power of the Jedi Sourcebook', 'The Krytos Trap' and 'I,Jedi'. Someone else has also put Tyris in the Baltizaar article as having travelled with Vosa. I think Tyris being an acolyte of Dooku is something of a continuity boob, since he IS the founder of the Jensaarai, and the Jensaarai were alleged to have been founded shortly before the Clone Wars. Regardless, I haven't read these fact files myself, so I didn't remove the reference to it. I'm surprised you just reverted the article, since the reversion still lists Tyris as the first Saarai-Kaar. I've put my edit back in, since I think it expands on canon information a lot more and is better written. If you're going to tweak it, I'd rather you just edited the article and removed the offending material than just reverted it. As I said, I'm working from memory, so I won't be able to confirm anything either way for a couple of days until I get my hands on the source material. In the meantime, if you have the material to hand, I'll just trust your judgment in editing the article. Jedi Xian 22:39, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Physical Appearance details request
- i also happen to have my copy of i, jedi out of hand at the moment. packed in with all my stuff in a closet. anyways i vaguely remember some discription of his appearance within the novel, namely the times Horn is reliving his fathers death. i'd like if we could either get a phyiscal appearance section or if someone could just put those details here. a section might be better, since were yet to get any actual art of him.-Feb 4th 2009 Darth Depressis
1st paragraph of bio, esp. mission to Baltizaar, might be fanon
As it stands, the whole first paragraph of the bio is sourced vaguely to The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia with no specific articles mentioned. After reading the entries for Nikkos Tyris, Baltizaar, Susevfi, Jensaarai, and Bando Gora, and even Volfe Karkko, Anzat, and Dooku, I can confirm that there is absolutely no evidence of anything from that paragraph in those entries, short of the obvious fact that he was an Anzat Jedi. Either this section was inaccurately sourced, or someone made everything up. I'll probably remove the entire paragraph in a few weeks if no one replies to this or recalls any mention of Tyris being present on Baltizaar from a licensed source. - Truth & Retconciliation (talk) 06:30, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
- So before I went to work I put all the sources mentioned in the article, as well as some of the sources from articles which Tyris was connected to, on a USB, and checked through all of it while at work. Much of the information you mentioned was not in any of the sources, as you pointed out. I went through the article and removed the fanon. Trip391 (talk) 05:56, January 23, 2015 (UTC)
- Wow, thank you for the hard work, Trip! And for sourcing the rest of the bio, e.g. the Clone Wars mention of Volfe Karkko's teachings, nice to know that was legit. Again, thank you. - Truth & Retconciliation (talk) 07:10, January 23, 2015 (UTC)
Corrections.
Tyris is not a Dark Acolyte of Dooku's.
What happened with Tyris was basically this: "Hey, Tyris, want a Sith Holocron?"
"Sure!"
"Ok, but just as long as you join the Separatist movement."
"Deal."
Ever moreso, the Power of the Jedi sourcebook indicates that Tyris is the opposite, saying that he has a tenuous relationship with the sith. Jmanghan (talk) 06:52, September 30, 2016 (UTC)
New Essential Guide to Alien Species
The New Essential Guide to Alien Species does not feature Nikkos Tyris anywhere. Jmanghan (talk) 18:52, October 5, 2016 (UTC)
So, are we gonna change the cite errors... or?
They've been that way for years now. Jmanghan (talk) 20:27, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Feel free to be bold in correcting any errors you find! If you've seen it that way for years, then please help out where you can. - Sir Cavalier of One
(Squadron channel) 20:33, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
I'd have done it by now but I have absolutely no idea how to do so. Jmanghan (talk) 22:10, 11 February 2021 (UTC)