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If the New Republic Defense Fleet is the navy of the New Republic. What is the New Republic ground forces called? 222.152.161.54

  • The New Republic folded ground forces into the Fleet, aligning "Marine" functions with Battle Groups. Members were often given responsibility for maintaining a local ground force, but without centrally provided funds, it was too expensive for most worlds beyond the Core to assemble more than a minor defense army. Most mission profiles outlined for the New Republic Defense Force (as a result of principles, reality and practices learned as the Rebel Alliance) did not provide for invasion, garrison or other tasks usually reserved for large ground forces. Instead, small units attached to Battle Groups and Special Forces handled most ground based missions. This may vary depending on the period of the New Republic you're looking at. --SparqMan 07:10, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)

So should I add a list of ground vehicles used by the New Republic to the New Republic Navy article since it contains the ground forces? Zainal

Merge with NR Defense Fleet?

You know, both the Defense Fleet and Defense FOrce articles are practically identical. The term "Defense Fleet" is just another way of refering to the Defense Force, especially considering that the majority fo the Defense Force consisted of naval units. Even Cracken's Threat Dossier mentions that the Defense Force is sometimes called the Defense Fleet.

Haveing two seperate articles is confusing. I am prepared to rework the Defense Force article, with speficic sections devoted to the fleet and ground forces. Does anyone object to this? If not, I would appreciate someone helping me submit the Defense Fleet article to be deleted or merged with this one. AdmiralNick22 23:02, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Actually, instead of deleting it, we need to rename the Defense Fleet one New Republic Navy. That the article only refers to the fleet. There is already a separate Army article. Together, both cna be linked to the overall Defense Force article. AdmiralNick22 23:31, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Agreed. Should we make our move? MyNz 3:07, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
      • I am not sure. There is still tons of work to be done. For example, we need to rename all the NR fleets. Currently they are named "Fifth Battle Group". While that is one way of refering to them, the proper way is simply "Fifth Fleet". Once those are renamed and expanded, they can be linked to a newe article based soley on the NR fleet. That article itself will make mention of the fleet being part of the Defense Force. In other words, this is a huge mess that will need alot of help to make better. :-) AdmiralNick22 14:24, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Where's the Army?

If the New Republic had an army, why does this article feature only the Navy?--The All-knowing Sith'ari 21:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Structure

This article should make note of how defense was often supplied by the local forces of individual star systems. Does anyone have more information on this? I do not wish to add this until I have proper sources. Karohalva

Soldiers

Were they clones or did the New Republic army continue to be humans who elected to join.

  • I think anyone could join it, not just humans. And no more clones. Lele Mj New Jedi Order (Holoprojetor) 14:40, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Wait... What?

What's the source for the Sons and Daughters of Freedom being a part of the New Republic? I didn't know there was much info about them beyond the Clone Wars. User: Darth Paxis I

Moving this article to New Republic Defense Force

I plan to move this article to "New Republic Defense Force." Almost all of the sources identify the New Republic's military as the "New Republic Defense Force," not "Combined Defense Forces of the New Republic." The only place where I can find "Combined Defense Forces of the New Republic" is the novel that is mentioned, and even there it states, "...the Combined Defense Forces of the New Republic, popularly known as the NRDF."--Richterbelmont10 R2 sig(come in R2!) 02:57, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

  • I disagree with this decision. This sounds no different than the Alliance to Restore the Republic, which is popularly and most commonly known as the Rebel Alliance. That doesn't change the fact that "Alliance to Restore the Republic" is its more formal name. "Combined Defense Forces of the New Republic" likewise seems to be this subject's formal name from the source's wording. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:26, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
    • The term "Alliance to Restore the Republic" is clearly stated in reference books such as The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia. It has its own entry in the Encyclopedia and is identified as "the formal name for the Rebel Alliance." Similarly, in the Encyclopedia, the "New Republic Defense Force (NRDF)" has its own entry on page 375 of Vol. 2. It is identified as the New Republic's primary military body. Whereas I cannot find the term "Combined Defense Forces of the New Republic" anywhere in the Encyclopedia. Looking at other sources listed, in The New Essential Chronology, I find the term "New Republic military" at least 3 times. I cannot find "Combined Defense Forces of the New Republic" anywhere in that source. In The New Jedi Order Sourcebook I find the term "New Republic Defense Force" at least 5 times. Nowhere can I find the term "Combined Defense Forces of the New Republic" in that source. In Coruscant and the Core Worlds I found the term "New Republic Defense Force." Nowhere can I find the term "Combined Defense Forces of the New Republic" in that source. In Carida: Heavy Duty I can only find one instance of the term "New Republic military" in its sub-page Part 4: Cadets Gone Wild. Nowhere can I find the term "Combined Defense Forces of the New Republic" in that source.--Richterbelmont10 R2 sig(come in R2!) 18:24, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
      • The CSWE is not and never has been a perfectly valid source; it's rife with Bob Vitas's own misinformation and errors. Regardless, Toprawa is correct; the rare formal name still trumps the more common nickname. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 18:30, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
      • Also, your argument doesn't work because "Combined Defense Forces of the New Republic" originated in Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor, which was published after each one of the sources you're attempting to cite, including CSWE. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:20, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
        • Very well, let us look at all sources published after that novel. The Essential Atlas, published in 2009, contains the phrase "New Republic military." Nowhere is the phrase "Combined Defense Forces of the New Republic" found. The Essential Guide to Warfare, published in 2012, talks about the New Republic battles and army and fleet organization. It uses the terms "New Republic Fleet" and "New Republic Army" and "New Republic forces." It never once uses the term "Combined Defense Forces of the New Republic." I don't have The Essential Reader's Companion, maybe someone else can check that. Anyway, if this name "Combined Defense Forces of the New Republic" was the official term for the Republic military, should it not be made obvious by citing the name at least once in these reference books?--Richterbelmont10 R2 sig(come in R2!) 20:15, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
          • That's like saying that because Admiral Ackbar's first name of Gial is only used in Warfare, we can't use that as his first name. Just because a name isn't used frequently doesn't mean it's valid, and formal trumps informal. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 20:25, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
            • Based on sources, "New Republic Defense Force" is a formal name.--Richterbelmont10 R2 sig(come in R2!) 20:36, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
              • No one is questioning that, and "New Republic Defense Force (NRDF)" is properly documented in the article's introduction as an alternative formal name. There's really nothing else to say here. If you want to keep arguing this, I'm sure we can hold a formal vote that will most likely decide in favor against your opinion. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:23, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
                • It just seems strange that this term is found just once, mentioned in passing in a novel 6 years ago. It has never been used before or since. Nowhere else in the Star Wars universe is this term found. In every other book in existence, the New Republic army is called other names, but never this one.--Richterbelmont10 R2 sig(come in R2!) 22:17, July 7, 2014 (UTC)