Malachor V
Should this page really be linked to "Malachor V"? In Legends, Malachor V not only looks aesthetically different on the surface, but also looks completely different from space. While Legends is deemed non-canon and such, it is to be said that there are multiple Malachors in Legends, so it is possible that Malachor may not be the Canon version of Malachor V, and may be Malachor III. It just seems presumptuous. Is this something that could merit reaching out to Hildago about? He's answered some of my twitter questions before, and this seems like something he would clarify.Darth Ravigious (talk) 18:45, March 31, 2016 (UTC)
I agree with Ravigious, this is very presumptuous. I don't believe this page should be listed as the canon version of Malachor V. The appearance and state is completely different and seeing that we know there was a Malachor II & III also in the Legends continuity, that leaves room for a I & IV. It would make more sense that this is Malachor I, and seeing that Malachor I has not been revealed in the Legends we shouldn't add a tab to a Legends page where there is not enough evidence to suggest that it's definitely the same world.
~ Samdoo (Talk) (Contribs) ☺︎ 09:31, April 5, 2016 (UTC)
- Doesn't matter if it's not exactly the same, and it would be unhelpful to link to the Legends Malachor system instead. --Alientraveller (talk) 09:46, April 5, 2016 (UTC)
- The Missing in Action Trivia Gallery, from the episode Malachor was first referenced, makes it clear that this was based on Malachor V. The Rebels Recon episodes also make it clear that this is a version of Malachor inspired by Malachor V. So they should definitely be linked. It doesn't matter if they're very different. Malachor is a perfect example of how canon uses Legends as inspiration, even if it's not re-canonizing entire stories. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:14, April 5, 2016 (UTC)
I, like others have, suggest that we remove the link on this page to the Legends article Malachor V. There is no indication that this planet is the same, and the appearance of the planet, the history of the planet, the purpose of the planet and many others are all very different if not completely.
This planet could just as easily been linked to the planets Malachor II or III, orin fact I'd even say it fits more with those since they were A. never pictured in any Legends media and B. Never destroyed in any Legends media, which Malachor V was.
But the implication, I feel, since they only call it "Malachor" throughout canon, is that this is the first planet in the Malachor system. Malachor Prime, if you will. No trivia/information would be lost by removing the Legends link, as it is still present in Behind the Scenes which is much more appropriate in my opinion than stating this is the canon version of Malachor V, which there is next to no evidence present for, and plenty of evidence for the contrary. —Unsigned comment by Motherdragon64 (talk • contribs)
- Well, if there isn't any actual proof that the canon Malachor is the canon counterpart of the Legends version, then I agree, however I can't be completely sure as I'm not completely up-to-date with the reference books and some of the newly released canon material. - LoLuX12 (walkietalkie) 22:53, April 21, 2016 (UTC)
- They've explicitly stated that this is inspired by KOTOR 2's Malachor V. Assuming that this is one of many planets in the system is speculating that the system in canon is the same as the one in Legends. We'll be keeping the link - it's an important navigational tool for readers. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:59, April 21, 2016 (UTC)
- Yet "inspiration" does not mean that it is the same thing. There is a difference between "inspiration" and "adaptation". For instance, the "Lord of the Rings" movies are an adaptation of the series of books, directly. On the other hand, the "Captain Blood" series of books from back in the early 20th century are loosely inspired by the exploits of Sir Henry Morgan, and Captain Blood in the books visited many fictionalized versions of the same places. Another example, in the Pirates of the Caribbean movies they visit a fictionalized version of Singapore, which looked nothing like how it did in real life and, in fact, was not even founded until the 19th century. Inspiration does not make it the same thing by any means.Darth Ravigious (talk) 21:23, May 1, 2016 (UTC)
- We're going based on what the producers/writers have said. Additionally, this is a necessary navigational tool for readers—40% of whom (Wikia's analytics team ran a scientific survey) have no idea what the difference is between Canon and Legends. So you are essentially advocating for a more confusing reader experience. It is not going to be removed. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 21:36, May 1, 2016 (UTC)
- Yet "inspiration" does not mean that it is the same thing. There is a difference between "inspiration" and "adaptation". For instance, the "Lord of the Rings" movies are an adaptation of the series of books, directly. On the other hand, the "Captain Blood" series of books from back in the early 20th century are loosely inspired by the exploits of Sir Henry Morgan, and Captain Blood in the books visited many fictionalized versions of the same places. Another example, in the Pirates of the Caribbean movies they visit a fictionalized version of Singapore, which looked nothing like how it did in real life and, in fact, was not even founded until the 19th century. Inspiration does not make it the same thing by any means.Darth Ravigious (talk) 21:23, May 1, 2016 (UTC)
- They've explicitly stated that this is inspired by KOTOR 2's Malachor V. Assuming that this is one of many planets in the system is speculating that the system in canon is the same as the one in Legends. We'll be keeping the link - it's an important navigational tool for readers. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:59, April 21, 2016 (UTC)
Behind the Scenes
The Behind the Scenes section is littered with Legends material. Considering this is the article for canon Malachor, I suggest either rewording it or removing it altogether. However, I don't want to make any changes without a consensus and so I'll leave the decision to someone else.--TheAnchorite (talk) 18:28, June 1, 2016 (UTC)
- That's the whole point of "behind the scenes". We have legends references in the "behind the scenes" sections of most of our articles with legends counterparts. Don't worry. Darth Ravigious (talk) 18:40, June 1, 2016 (UTC)
- Including Legends material in the behind the scenes section of a canon article is important if the subject originated in Legends, as this one did. I think the section contains an appropriate amount of info to shed light on the origins of Malachor. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 18:41, June 1, 2016 (UTC)