Talk: Imperial Knight

Article milestones Date Process Result December 2, 2008 Featured article nomination Failure December 3, 2008 Failed Featured article nominee
Current status: Failed Featured article nominee

Vader's clothing

Anyone notice that the clothing under the armor looks like Vaders? Stinkywookie 16:24, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

• Well, I only noticed the arms. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:37, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • They can't use the pants, they're Cade's. Lonnyd 20:21, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Maybe Cade killed one and took them from him... Yep, that's a modified Qui-Gon Jinn quote. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 20:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
      • Cade pants'd an Imperial Knight? No wonder they look surly;)Tocneppil 08:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
        • I hope he didn't do that... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 12:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
          • Yeah. . . . a death mark's not an easy thing to live with;)Tocneppil 18:04, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
            • I just don't ever want to here "someone pants'd someone else" when talking about Star Wars anymore... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
              • Ah, well.

Actually there seems to be more than a passing resemblance to Kir Kanos' outfit. If the Imperial Knights are as well-trained as he was, we might see some cool Sith/Jedi battles. Cudos to Ostrander for bringing back the Crimson Guard!Tocneppil 21:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

• I guess so... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 22:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Well, what I'm saying is that the Imperial Knights would be able to go to extremes in combating the Sith, and the risk of becoming that which they fight against would be all the greater.Tocneppil 02:19, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
    • I suppose so. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 12:17, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Ranks

Does any one know the organization of the Imperial Knights? Do they use the same ranks as the Jedi Knights or have their own ranks or use military style ranks? Or does no one know at this time and we will just have to wait for future issues of star wars legacy to find out?

• This information hasn't been—and probably won't be—released. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 20:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Draco is addressed as a Master. Yrfeloran 22:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
    • He is? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 00:53, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Jedi are often addressed as master even if they are not of the Jedi Master rank.--Darth Oblivion^Comlink 00:56, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
        • I mean, was he actually called "Master" in the comics? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 00:58, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
          • I don't think he has actually appeared in the comics yet.--Darth Oblivion^Comlink 01:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
            • Doesn't he appear in the first one, though? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 01:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
              • Issue 0 doesn't call him a master, though.--Darth Oblivion^Comlink 01:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
                • Well, he appears in Broken 3, which some people have already bought...--Sauron18 01:15, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
                  • I don't have it, so I was going by the dramatis personae givin in its article.--Darth Oblivion^Comlink 01:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
                    • I don't have it either, but it's from descriptions. There are a few changes to be made, but we would need a spoiler tag I think.. --Sauron18 01:42, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
                      • Well, I got the issue, and Roan Fel intoduces him as "Master Antares Draco, leader of my Imperial Knights." -LtNOWIS 01:53, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
                        • That really isn't enough to prove anything, though.--Darth Oblivion^Comlink 02:11, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
                          • If he's Leader, 'Master' would be his rank, not simply an honorific.Tocneppil 02:31, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
                            • Not necessarily. If a leader is addresses as master, it does not mean he or she is of a rank called "master."--Darth Oblivion^Comlink 03:53, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
                              • But the assumption in this case (and granted that is all it is at this point) falls on the fact that the Imperial Knights have a ranking system similar to Jedi. If they were more military in structure, they'd have ranks like 'Commander' or 'General', and that would be addressed in an introduction by a head-of-state whose service said individual was in.Tocneppil 04:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
                                • That is more than likely. We just don't know what these ranks are as of now.--Darth Oblivion^Comlink 04:13, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
                                  • Tocneppil, what exactly is the source for them having a ranking system similiar to that of the Jedi? Because "Master Antares Draco" isn't enough. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 11:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
• As I stated above -its all assumption. The strongest 'fact' (if you want to call it a fact) comes from Roan Fel's quote, written in uppercase as per comic book word balloons: THIS IS MASTER ANTARES DRACO, LEADER OF MY IMPERIAL KNIGHTS. We don't know whether 'master' has a capital 'M'; whether it is an honorific or a title or a rank -all we have is an in-universe character speaking about another in-universe character, using a term we recognize as relating to an in-universe organization that in the past used a similar term to describe members that demonstrated similar skills to these Imperial Knights. We can assume, but we won't know exactly until Ostrander & co. tell us.Tocneppil 06:48, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Exactly. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 11:13, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
• Guys, in the latest issue, Draco is accompanied by another guy. Draco says "I am Master Draco. This is Master Krieg.--141.213.185.30 22:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Yeah. Now the question is, should we link it to "Jedi Master" or not? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 23:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Fully Trained Jedi

To quote Legacy 0, "The Imperial Knights are Fully trained Jedi. Their first loyalty is not to the Jedi order or the Force, But to the Empire as personified in the Emperor. Within the Jedi order, Imperial Jedi are considered to be Grey Jedi. While they are not dark side, it is thought that they do not truly follow the way of the Force. There is, however, no denying their discipline, their ability, or their power." So they're referred to in Legacy 0 as both Grey Jedi and Imperial Jedi, putting a little more weight behind the argument of Antares possibly being a 'Master', not just 'master'.Tocneppil 00:36, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

• Still not conclusive evidence.--Darth Oblivion^Comlink 00:38, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Exactly. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 02:32, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
    • 'm just saying 's all. ;)Tocneppil 07:19, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Still, we need a source saying, "A fully-trained Jedi Master, Antares..." Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 12:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

• Are they Jedi that left the order to serve the empire, or the empire's own order? Xeran 19:15, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

• If so, then technically they are Jedi of the New Order. Xeran 19:15, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Well, they could have been failed Padawans for all we know. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:57, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Yea, well, look at Desann. He was a failed padawan, but he was able to hold his own against Luke. ;) Xepeyon 04:01, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Luke never actually fought Desann 9as far as i know), and katarn isn't as powerful as Luke. Darth Abeonis _{Sith Council} ^{(Sith Campaign)} 10:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Luke fights Desann one-on-one as Kyle infiltrates the Doomgiver in Jedi Outcast - \\Captain Kwenn// ^{— Ahoy!} 10:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
        • Well, Luke is a sissy in Jedi Outcast. If you don't tend to him, he'll be dead before you can blink and you will have to reload. - Sikon 11:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
          • Good thing I didn't buy Jedi Outcast, then. ;) Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 12:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
            • He's also an idiot. Walked straight into my saber. Twerp. .... 12:36, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
              • We should probably get off this subject now. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 22:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
                • They might just be padawans that quit the order and are mad at their master. Star DestroyerFleet (UTC)
                  • That's just speculation, though. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:46, 14 August 2007 (UTC)I belelive it's just a refrence to them being well trained in the force and saber fighting.Xion1212 04:12, 5 January 2009 (UTC)xion1212

Similarities to Vader's armor

• Does anyone remember what the 'cloth' parts of Vader's armour were supposed to be? I seem to recall someone saying they served as some sort of 'impact padding'/'vacuum survival' function. I'm asking because maybe we could use the technical term (if there is one) rather than saying 'Vader-like pants' here.Tocneppil 11:06, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
  • I don't think that cloth was even meant to serve a function. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 14:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
    • I wasn't sure either, but there was something ('Behind the Scenes', perhaps) from the design stages of ANH, that I remember, but can't recall the exact details or the source.Tocneppil 21:10, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Well, if the cloth has a function, and the Imperial Knights do use it, that would explain (spoiler alert) why Draco and Krieg ejected from their fighters and landed fine. Of course, they are Force users... Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 21:15, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
        • Good call on that point, especially since Jan Duursema seems to favor some kind of "on screen" indicator whenever the Force is being used.Tocneppil 21:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
          • Yeah, a little white light. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 21:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
            • And those spheres -kinda distracting, if you ask me.Tocneppil 21:51, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
              • Well, I think it's a good way to show the Force—after all, there's really no other way to show it in comics. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 21:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
                • RE: the Vader connection, the RotS Visual Dictionary tags his trousers as "ribbed multi-ply trousers". Seems to be the same material the Knights (and Cade) are sporting - \\Captain Kwenn// ^{— Ahoy!} 21:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
                  • Thanks, Kwenn. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 23:16, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
                    • And I guess I was thinking of the initial design stage of the costume itself for Ep. IV -when McQuarrie had to make Vader capable of travelling through the vacuum of space between his Star Destroyer and Tantive IV.Tocneppil 21:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
                      • Oh, yeah—I forgot about that. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 22:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Armour?

Should their Armor be added to the Armor page along with that of the Royal Guards? - Awar 17:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC).

• I guess... —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 21:05, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Military?

They're categorized as a military organization, but I don't think they were ever identified as such. That seems to be a mistake on our part. -LtNOWIS 12:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• Technically they are part of the Military but are out-side the regular chain of command, much like the English royal guard! ~ Awar 13:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC).

Ditcher

Who was the person who left? Meesa yoda 03:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it's been released yet. What we do know, this is a guess (but it's logical), is that the Ditcher was assassinated by either an Imperial Assassin or maybe even a fellow Knight. I believe Sia Fel refers to the Ditcher as a 'he', but I'm not sure. ~~Kynval~~

Cortosis Gauntlets

Threats of the Galaxy states: "All Imperial Knights wear specially designed gauntlets made of cortosis weave that protect them from the normally lethal lightsaber blades.

...

If the wearer of a cortosis gauntlet is the target of the Severing Strike talent, the attacker can choose to sever the limb where the cortosis gauntlet is worn without having his or her lightsaber deactivated."

Therefore I'm going to remove "It is probable that this was true for the right gauntlet only, as Darth Talon was able to maim Elke Vetter at the left wrist." Is another source besides Elke Vetter's hand being severed in Legacy issue #2? I'm assuming not since the sentence uses the word "probable". Crash Override 23:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

• The guantlets could have become standard issue after Elke's injuryTocneppil 00:53, 20 February 2009 (UTC).

62 ABY?

This date for the founding is an extrapolation from the "three generations" comment, however this is very ambiguous in timeframe. It could simply refer to the third reign (Jagged to Fel II to Roan). Thus any time after Jagged becomes head of state could serve as a foundation point, so anywhere from 41ABY onward. Vryce 06:12, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

• That's why I said "around 62 ABY", until we have something more accurate. — RedVix | 06:21, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I understand your reasoning, but given that the foundation could be anywhere between 41-62 ABY, I think that would be better rephrased. Vryce 09:48, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
    • Ok. — RedVix | 12:52, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Two Questions?

Q1: In the Vector comic, Roan is seen practicing lightsaber combat with a blonde female Knight (I assume she is, as she is wielding a lightsaber). Do we have an ID for this female Knight and should be she added to the misc. unknown Jedi.

Q2: And I realize this might be speculating too much, but why are all the Knights seen thus far human? The Jedi Order seems to be made up of more aliens in relation to humans, the Sith seem to have an even mix, even the Moff Council/ Imperial military have non-human members. So why are the Imperial Knights the only all-human organization seen? Is it worth mentioning in the article?

Thoughts from the more learned among us are appreciated. Blackmoon7 05:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

• No, I do not believe we have an ID for the female Knight. You're free to create an article on her and add her to the unknown Knights. And no source states that the Imperial Knights were all-Human, so that should not be mentioned in the article. IFYLOFD ^{(You will pay the price for your lack of vision!)} 06:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
  • I found someone already added her to the Wiki under 'unidentified sparring partner' but did not link her to the Imperial Knight page. Given her red 'uniform' and skill with a lightsaber, would it be a safe assumption and enough to justify her inclusion in this article? Blackmoon7 05:28, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Real-world historical inspiration?

Besides what the article says in the "Behind the Scenes" section, I think that the two authors of the comic (or Lucas in the original drafts) may have been inspired to create the Imperial Knights by the historical Imperial Knights of the Holy Roman Empire, also known by the name "Knights of the Empire" like the SW ones (the German term is Reichsritter). Like the knights in SW, the German knights were subordinate directly to the Emperor, but they weren't his bodyguards or anything like that. They were however important soldiers with numerous perks. For more info on the actual Knights, check out the Wikipedia article on them. Anybody else think the authors may have been inspired by this historical organization?96.253.115.146 01:52, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

• There have been many such organizations throughout history who exist outside the normal chain of command and are often referred to as "elite" military units- The Roman Praetorian Guard, the Imperial Guard under Napoleon, The Paladins of Charlemagne, Hitler's Schutzstaffel (SS), etc. Anyone of them, or a combination of them, could be inspiration for the Imperial Knights. I suppose the in-universe explanation would be a continuation of sorts of Palpatine's Royal Guard. Blackmoon7 19:04, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Roan Fel third to to lead the Empire and the Imperial Knights

In the Early History section of the Imperial Knights article it say that Roan Fel was the third of his bloodline to lead the Empire and its Imperial Knights. Jagged Fel's son, known only as Fel II, is Roan Fel's father so he was the second, but Jagged Fel could not have lead the Empire and the Imperial Knights. Jagged is not Force-sensitive. This could be an error or it could mean that Jagged's wife was the one leading. It is unlikely that an Imperial Knights would find Jagged Fel a propare leader for their order because of his lack of knewledge in the Force and his inability to wield it. --JMasterWor 14:42, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

• I think it's referencing Roan Fel as the third Emperor of the Fel dynasty (Jagged, Fel II, Roan)and the Imperial Knights' are obedient to the Emperor. There seems to be no requirement for the Emperor himself to be force sensitive. Blackmoon7 18:58, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
  • Agreed, if the Fate of the Jedi series speculation is correct, than Jaina most likely created and trained the Imperial Knights but they where under the emperor's direct control, Much like Palpatine's Royal Guard before them. ~ Awar 01:17, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

White lightsabers

In some concept art for Star Wars IV, white lightsabers were the standard weapon of stormtroopers. Is it of note that the imperial forces once again have white lightsabers? This may be a coincidence, but wookieepedia has referenced concept art revived before.

• Imperial Knight lightsabers are actually suppose to be silver. jedi_master425

Creation

Well since the Imperial Knights first served Jag. I take it Jaina might start of that "Rouge Jedi School" in the Empire

Fel's image

Shouldnt the article's image of Roan Fel have him wearing the IK armor like everone else? Like a cropped version of File:SwLegacy13.jpg? --The Great and Grand Count Mall!^{(Bow down before me!)} 15:39, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Jedi-Bendu inspiration?

If any of you have been reading The Star Wars you'd know that it's the original draft of Star Wars, where the jedi were the bodyguards of the emperor. Since Imperial are the Fel Emperor's bodyguards, I wonder if that idea was inspired by the original concept of the jedi?

Legacy Volume 2????????

Why is there literally nothing from Legacy volume 2??

The imperial knights are HEAVILY FEATURED in this volume and there isn't even one mention of anything.