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Near-humans

I've redirected near-human to this article's near-human section. Anyone else think there's enough information that the article should be split? Silly Dan 14:14, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

I think a separate article on near-humans would be a good idea. At least, we could have a list of near-human species. JustinGann 01:30, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

OK! If no one raises objections, I'm splitting the articles. — Silly Dan 02:49, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Yuuzhan Vong

I added a section on Yuuzhan Vong to this article because the Yuuzhan Vong are a humanoid species. I got this information from Vector Prime and the Star Wars Technical Commentaries entry on Humans and Humanoids. The Yuuzhan Vong look humanoid despite having organic implants and tatoos on their bodies. 222.152.165.223

"Humanoid" and "Near-Human" are not the same thing. There is another page for humanoids.

  • They get used interchangably sometimes, though. — Silly Dan 02:32, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Alderaan?

While I do think it's best to leave the Homeworld box as just Unknown, humans were definitely not from Alderaan. Alderaan was colonized around 25,000 BBY; Galactic City on Coruscant, however, was founded before 100,000 BBY. Kuralyov 21:59, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)

  • True, but does anyone here actually believe they aren't from Coruscant? -- SFH 22:15, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)
    • KFan II doesn't; his edit to that effect were what prompted me to say that. Kuralyov 22:18, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)
    • Me neither. Best to leave it as "unknown", or better yet, "various", since their origins are left mysterious. — Silly Dan 01:10, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)
      • I figure the earliest planet with a date is the homeworld. Coruscant also just makes sense. It's the most populated. It's the galactic capital. All hyperspace routes lead to it. -- Riffsyphon1024 01:16, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • That does make sense. I say we change it back to Unknown (possibly Coruscant).
      • Either way is really fine by me; I just thought I'd bringit up. Kuralyov 02:33, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

No, Coruscant?

So, it does say that Humans are from Coruscant, correct? How much uncertainty does the passage in question leave? — Silly Dan 00:37, 1 Nov 2005 (UTC)

  • Not a lot. Coruscant is the earliest planet with humans living on it. It *is*possible they evolved elsewhere, and were brought to the world, but, according to the NEC, Coruscant's humans colonised Alderaan, Corellia, Corulag, Chandrilla, and pretty much every other famous human world. QuentinGeorge 12:08, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)
    • Yeah, but the N.E.C. said "possibly", so we have to say "possibly" too. --Master Starkeiller 19:38, 23 Nov 2005 (UTC)
      • Humans are the most numerous and politically dominant sentient species, and Coruscant is the most populated, and most important planet (politically) in the whole galaxy. And with Humans being the most numerous, they were probably the first to evolve, explaining Coruscant being so industrialized and covered with technology. Therefore I am 100 percent positive that Coruscant is the human homeworld. --Emperordmb 21:34, April 28, 2011 (UTC)
        • This is a conversation from 2005. Do not reopen it. NaruHina Talk 14px 21:44, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

"What makes sense" vs. "what's canon"

I completely disagree that humans evolved on Coruscant. I think NEC was mistaken to imply that. And I have to say this entry should be changed to not suggest the same. Throughout SW material previous to NEC it's often been said that the human homeworld is a forgotten mystery. It has also been established that, due to the extremely far distance from its sun, Coruscant is too cold to comfortably support humans w/o artificial means (Inside the Worlds of Ep I, Complete Locations). It always seemed to me that the reason Coruscant was chosen for the capital of the Republic (and therefore that all hyperspace routes lead to it, etc.) was that it is as centrally located in the galaxy as possible w/o radiation or the navigational hazards of the core becoming too big of a problem. It makes more sense for a world-covering city to be built on a barren planet with no living indigenous intelligent species than to intentionally eradicate one's native ecosystem to build one. If humans had evolved on Coruscant, in-universe scientists would have found evidence (fosil, etc.) to prove it, and there would be no mystery.

  • Nevertheless, if it's in the NEC, that's what we have to use. If we can add material from other sources which specifially mention the ambiguity and confusion, though, that's OK too. — Silly Dan 01:49, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • I think that even in-universe characters of the Galaxy don't know the answer but they TEND to believe that the most likely candidate is Coruscant. But anyway, if Coruscant is the only planet where the Zhell lived, which are the pre-humans, then how can humans come from another planet? Did the Zhell travel in space? MoffRebus 01:54, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)
  • I personally beleive that Humans evolved on Coruscant, since all information says that they were the ones who turned it into an ecumenopolis. But I'm open to interpretation. Perhaps the Zhell were not native to Coruscant. Perhaps they aren't humanity's ancestors. It's a little hard to do archeological reasearch when the ground is several kilometers beneath you. -- SFH 02:07, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)
  • As stated above, humans were known to be on Coruscant as early as 100,000 BBY. Our own site's timeline has humans defending their 13 nations against the Taung oppression around 200,000 BBY. Interstellar space travel does start with the Columi circa 2,000,000 BBY, but they most likely didn't transport humans from homeworld to homeworld. The next interstellar travel story is of the Kwa and their Infinity Gate circa 100,000 BBY, at which point humans have already covered Coruscant completely with their city. Somehow though, the Taung were able to relocate to Roon, a planet in the Outer Rim, in 200,000 BBY. Probably a mistake made by an unthinking or unresearching author. Most likely, Coruscant is the human homeworld. All this aside, we have no reason to believe it isn't. Ewok Jedi 16:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Corellia

dude. CORELLIA. that's the homeworld. yep.

  • Actually, I have read this before? I want to say it was during the Han Solo trilogy, but I could be completely mistaken. I'm curious if anyone knows when Corellia has been referenced as the Human homeworld? 108.38.43.11 07:53, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Average height

Only 1.7 metres? Just look at some human characters, they were much taller than 1.7. Darth Vader was 2.02, Palpatine was one of the shortest humans, but he was still 1.73! - TopAce 19:30 (GMT +1h) 10th September 2005

  • Perhaps we should put between 1.7 to 1.9 meters. -- SFH 18:21, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)

It all happens in a Galaxy Far Far Away, but it's incredibly stupid to assume that Humans in it had a different average height than Humans on Earth. Almost no character/actors are exactly as tall as what we've listed as average because most of them belong to the same ethnicity. And a lot of them aren't even that tall (take a look at Leia/Fisher or Luke/Hammill). We shouldn't keep 1.80 as a compromise because 1.70 is already a compromise between all the taller actors and the real average Human height, which is, I believe, actually a few centimiters shorter than 1.70. --Ace ETP 19:29, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)

  • Well, diet and race are important factors in human height Those aren't the same in Star Wars.-LtNOWIS 20:21, 16 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • But exactly what would lead you to assume that their effects are any different than as in the Real World, when "White" Human characters in Star Wars have the about the same average height as Caucasians on Earth? --Ace_ETP 02:09, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)
  • The effects of race, diet and genetics would be the same. Well, maybe race would be different, since real-world ethnicities don't exist the Star Wars galaxy. What would be different is the proportions. I wouldn't be surprised if the Star Wars galaxy has a higher percentage of "white" humans, and thus a different average human height would be reached. The same goes for nutrition.-LtNOWIS 03:34, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)
  • True, but unlike as it with other species, an official source has never provided us with a figure indicating the average height for Humans in the GFFA (probably because it's a bit unnecesary), so why don't we just leave it as it is and try not to be overly speculative? --Ace_ETP 20:34, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Capitalization

There's been some question about whether we should capitalize "Human", just as we capitalize the names of all the other alien species, or if we should leave it uncapitalized as is standard in real-world articles. Here's a quick survey of the sources I had handy. It seems that "human" predominates, but "Human" is also common. — Silly Dan 01:43, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)

"human"

"Human"

Comments

I propose we find a compromise, like capitalizing when referring to species (eg. 'he found Twi'leks and Humans in the cantina') but non in almost everywhere else (eg. 'Han Solo was a human from Corellia'). But if the sources are inconsistent, it wouldn't hurt to capitalise it even it it "shouldn't" MoffRebus 01:51, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)
I agree we should develop a consistent position, even if West End Games never came up with one. (What do the Wizards of the Coast books use? Anyone know?) — Silly Dan 01:54, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)
WOTC capitalizes Human, as far as I know, but the Databank doesn't. I'm for capitalization, as I see no reason why Humans should be treated differently than other species. - Sikon [Talk] 05:42, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm... Well, it seems very old and rpg sources are the only ones capitalizing it. It should be "human". It is also "human" in the NEC, and the NEC's our Bible, right? Nice job researching, Silly Dan! --Master Starkeiller 20:25, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)
Speak for yourself, my Bible is Fragments from the Rim. 8) Perhaps someone could expand this list by checking more recent sources? — Silly Dan 04:06, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, but Fragments from the Rim is more than a decade old and the NEC just came out. That's the main reason I trust it more. --Master Starkeiller 06:21, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)

It's quite clear that Lucasfilm has not set a standard regarding capitalization, since there seems to be an even share of Humans and humans across all official sources. Looking to the sources won't be any help; we need to make our own decision for a Wookieepedia standard. I say "Humans", treating them just like any other sentient species. --Azizlight 11:23, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)

If it's not a matter of official policy and it is just between us, we should vote. --Master Starkeiller 13:26, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
Come on people, let's vote. I'll decap Humans on sight while others will capitalize them. If people disagree and they can't find a solution through discussion (and I think there isn't much more to be said on this, there are two views, treatment like other species and official sources and both views have been expressed), they should vote. --Master Starkeiller 12:01, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, now that this article has been greatly expanded with inconsistent capitalization, we probably should vote. Here or on Manual of Style? — Silly Dan 03:42, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
Human is only capitalised when it is at the begining of a sentence or in a title such as a class title (Human Ecology 101, Computational Humanities). When referring to human beings, it is not capitalised (For example, sociology is the science or study of the origin, history, and constitution of human society). 129.11.13.92 22:21, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
That's true enough, in your so-called "real" "world". 8) If we do settle on anything in the MoS, we should keep "human" uncapitalized in out-of-universe articles. —Silly Dan (talk) 22:43, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Pic

I hope this pic is more appropriate than the CGI one (btw is it from the RPG corebook?). Another candidate would be File:Lukemaraben.jpg (male, female and infant). Which do you prefer? MoffRebus 22:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm surprised a good screenshot wasn't used before. I definitely prefer a screenshot to a painting, comic panel, or CGI art. Thanks! — Silly Dan 00:55, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I noticed it had been changed to a picture of the Daragons: we should probably keeep the movie shot as the main picture. The article's long enough for more pictures, though, so I put that picture in the historically appropriate place. I also added a picture for the Near-Humans section of Vader, Palpatine, another Grand Admiral, and Thrawn — I don't like it that much, however, and would like to see it replaced with, say, a picture of Thawn and Pellaeon, or a picture of a pureblood and part-Human ancient Sith. —Silly Dan (talk) 13:29, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

  • This article is an example of how it is always hard to state the obvious... - Sikon [Talk] 13:51, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Could you expand on that? What should be changed? —Silly Dan (talk) 13:55, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Nothing is obvious. Maybe some alien reads us :) MoffRebus 15:19, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Obvious for the writers, not necessarily readers. - Sikon [Talk] 01:30, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Capitalization

To whoever disregarded the Consensus Track vote and decapitalized it, "thank" you. - Sikon [Talk] 10:35, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

  • Mind you, since the vote isn't finished, it's not worth recapitalizing it. —Silly Dan (talk) 04:40, 5 April 2006 (PDT)

Has this Human/Earth theory been explored?

Since Star Wars happened "A Long Time Ago", has their been any exploration of whether humans on earth might be descendants of the Star Wars humans?—Unsigned comment by 75.11.50.33 (talk • contribs)

  • I'm pretty sure it hasn't. It would be on List of references to Earth in Star Wars if it had. —Silly Dan (talk) 23:36, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
  • a long time ago can be 500 years ago, but also 1.000.000 years ago. it could be that the races that started to explore the galaxy landed in our's. they found a planet with life on it(earth) and they took the humans, brining them to the Star Wars galaxy. That's my theory, becouse it's almost imposible that one race evolved on two different plannets. Also, there are no monkeys in the star wars universe, and since we evolved from them, my theory could be true.—Unsigned comment by 81.206.147.51 (talk • contribs)
    • The theory of evolution on this planet is just that, a theory, so please don't talk about it like it's true. I myself find it very hard to believe that everything happened by chance. If you make a pile of wood and sheetrock and shingles and such and leave it there for a million years, it won't turn into a house, will it? And how much more complex is the human body than a house?—Unsigned comment by 76.5.174.105 (talk • contribs)
      • Evolution debates like the claim you've made above (also discussed in technical detail here) are off-topic for this wiki. I will note that references to evolution appear in many Star Wars sourcebooks. Some of them are written as though they are in-universe documents (indicating that evolution is accepted as scientific fact in the Star Wars galaxy), while others are written from a more omniscient perspective (indicating that evolution is a fact within that fictional universe.) —Silly Dan (talk) 02:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
        • Regardless of this well known debate topic, humans are not descended from monkeys and even if they were, all other primates were likely killed off as coruscant became an ecumonopolis--99.141.196.233 16:33, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Taung pic

Since Taungs and Sith are near-humans (biologcally related), and TAungs are as ancient as Zhells (wish we had an image of them), I thought putting a pic of Mandalore to indicate a possible early appearance. I know it sounds outrageous to some but I'd like to hear some oppinions MoffRebus 00:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

  • I don't know...seems a little too speculative to me. (Of course, something in the back of my brain like to pretend Alien Exodus is canon, so we'd put a picture of an australopithecine there...) Maybe someone else disagrees with me? —Silly Dan (talk) 03:11, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Additional quote

I was thinking about adding Leia Organa's quote, "And you call yourselves humans." in this article. Where would it be appropriate?

Fixed it. Try to improve it with details MoffRebus 22:59, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Depends. What was the context of this quote?
Humanity's supposed superiority in the star wars galaxy and how that relates to if they should consider themselves worthy of it from an ethical standpoint--99.141.196.233 16:35, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Lifespan

Have we got a Tolkein-esque lifespan thing going on here? The NEGtAS says that humans can live to 120 years, and some human Jedi up to 200 years! What-the-heck? Cutch 04:52, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

If you had some humans living in other stellar systems, you would see that they would live up to hundreds of Earth years, or only few Earth years. Aging is different in other planets. Years in Star Wars refers to Coruscanti years. Humans of other planets would definitely age differently MoffRebus 07:42, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
You also have to remember that Humans in the Galaxy and humans in the Milky Way are different species. Different origins, different lifespans, different gestation periods. Even if they were somehow the same, medical technology in the Galaxy would of undoubtedbly extended the Human lifespan. We're talking about a civilization whose outdated transport ships put out at least three times the planets whole nuclear arsenal in a single medium shot. Lord Patrick 02:10, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
  • What about Empress Teta, then? She was a non-sensitive Human, and lived till 175! DarthMRN 00:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
    • "average" does imply some may live longer... LelalMekha 12:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

have you forgotten the technology is much more advanced there for they can most likely cure many diseases and repair organ damage TheHoBo 01:51, 5 September 2008 (UTC) There is no source that states any force-sensitive humans lived over 300 years because of force-sensitivity or technology. So the claim should be removed from the article. 13:52, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Rell, one of the witches of Dathomir was "almost 300 local years (equivalent to four centuries standard)". --Jared Waymen 22:53, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

  • Is that it? Is there anybody else who has lived 300+ years? Because if not, shouldn't the 'ages up to 300 have been reached among Force-sensitive individuals' be singular? TrandoshanMan01 15:40, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Rakata

Why is it said that humans were subtegated by the Rakata when the Guardian droid makes it very clear that Revan's race (human) is not one of the "slave races"? Is this another mistake from the NEC? (Ulicus 16:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC))

  • (late reply) Yes, it's in the NEC (which, being a canonical sourcebook, must be right. 8) ) Perhaps the Star Map was made before the Rakata enslaved the Human-populated core worlds? But that's just my conjecture. —Silly Dan (talk) 03:29, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

human + twi'lek=?

I am writing a story and I was wondering if a twi'lek and a human could have a baby together. If so, would it only have one lekku? thanks, Quinlanfan 00:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

  • No canonical source has shown Human/Twi'lek hybrids, and many fans (Curtis Saxton, for example) think that the lekku would mean that the two species can't be very closely related. Half-Twi'lek, half-Human kids aren't likely to show up in canon anytime soon, but you can probably do what you like in your own fanfic....—Silly Dan (talk) 00:19, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
    • I would say no, unless the offspring were infertile. Lord Patrick 00:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
      • i don't think you would even get an infertile child. the only way i can think you could create a hu'lek is to do a little genetic engineering and artificial impregnation. and the whole natural impregnation thing is assuming the have the same... "you know"TheHoBo 02:02, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

where the Humans come from TRUTH

Humans fell from the skys of many worlds. including tatooine as HK-47 and the sand person guide stated. so Humans never evolved. they fell from the skys. so the sand people existed before the humans. so this page is false. —Unsigned comment by 65.93.56.72 (talk • contribs)

  • The sand people existed on Tatooine before the Humans came from the sky on spaceships. —Silly Dan (talk) 02:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

no they just fell out of mid air. if you go to tatooine on KOTOR bring the dragon pearl back to the sand people and they give you a guide of history. but you have to bring back the pearl. and this was in the time of the builders. but there where no spaceships.... the sand people said that machines like you fell from the sky. so there must be some sort of God in the star wars universe. —Unsigned comment by 69.159.59.73 (talk • contribs)

  • I played through that quest too: the dialogue implied to me that they came out of the sky in spaceships, but the Tuskens weren't sure what spaceships were. Low-tech aliens referring to space travellers as "falling from the sky" is a common cliche in science fiction. —Silly Dan (talk) 19:12, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok i just went back to my KOTOR game. ok here is what he said. he says that when the sand people and the builders where fighting.. they saw machines fall from the stars...and they are called outsiders..... he also states that sand people are humans also and that they too remember when they fell from the stars... i asked the sand person if humans are related to sand people.... right when i said it they opened fire on us... witch is a possible other word for yes. also HK warned me about that. bc the sand people hate outsiders.

The people who come from the sky that the Tusken story teller talks about are IMO supposed to be a reference to the Rakata and the Infinite Empire. The general gyst of the narrative is this: The Rakata enslaved the indigenous Sand People (although they weren't known as that then, seeing as Tatooine was a lush and green planet at the time) and took them to various worlds as slaves. When the Infinite Empire collapsed, the slaves rebelled, and became the colonists of the worlds they found themselves on. It was strongly implied that humans and near-humans are the descendents of these original slaves from Tatooine that were scattered around the galaxy, and the Sand People are the descendents of those who stayed behind. Of course it's only one theory, I personally still prefer the Coruscant origin story. --Obscured 17:25, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Infobox Image

Since we all know that Anakin and Padme aren't the best representatives of the human race (that and their backs are turned...) perhaps it's time for a change in image. So, ya know. Just vote...--Redemption20pxTalk 21:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC) File:Originalhumans.jpg|Image 1 File:IIWdD015.jpg|Image 2

Image 1

  1. Not the highest resolution but it works. Redemption20pxTalk 21:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
  2. Real actors! Kinda! .... 21:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Image 2

Comments

None of these people are good representations of the human race. -- I need a name (Complain here) 21:15, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

  • What would be your suggestion then? --Redemption20pxTalk 21:16, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
    • IMO, a picture with more humans would be better than one with just two. Or three, if there isn't a variety. I mean something like File:SW3 Cast.jpg, where there is more than just Caucasians. PS The Image is just an example. PSS When I say 'Caucasians,' I'm not being racist. I swear. -Solus (Bird of Prey) 21:27, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
      • Hmm, yeah. Too bad about R2 and Chewie under them. Could they be cut away without taking too much off the actors bodies? On the other hand, though, showing full body shots would be the best thing... DarthMRN 00:34, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Most numerous?

Were humans really the most common species? Humans on earth aren't the most common species, and in the SW galaxy there are species such as Geonosians, which are intelligent and multiply like, well, insects. Is there a source for the most common thing? Unit 8311 20:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

  • They're probably the most common sentient species, but a specific citation would still be nice. —Silly Dan (talk) 21:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Geonosians are sentient AFAIK. DarthMRN 00:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
      • Yes, but they're limited to Geonosis, primarily. Anyway, here's one citation: Star Wars: The Roleplaying Game, Second Edition says "Humans are the most plentiful of the intelligent species of the Known Galaxy..." on page 133. Anyone have a more current source? —Silly Dan (talk) 01:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
        • "Humans are the most populous species in the known galaxy." - NEGAS p80. Though, by 'species' I think they meant 'sentient species.' -Solus (Bird of Prey) 02:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
        • Well if you look at the Galactic Senate meetings it seems to be dominated by Non-human species. almost no humans appear in it in fact."There is no escape"-Darth Vader 13:07, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
          • Obviously. Otherwise Midichlorians would be the most common, considering they are microscopic and nearly essential for life. Lord Patrick 08:13, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Appearances

Wouldn't it be appropriate to replace the Appearances section with List of stories in which Humans do not appear? That way instead of trying to list nearly every piece of Star Wars media (which we could never do) we could actually provide useful information to the readers. Mauser 17:19, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

  • I concur.--Valin Kenobi 04:44, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
    • Then we'd have to do "Media where the Force doesn't appear" and "Media where sentient species do not appear" and....

SW:TOR homeworld

In SW:TOR Coruscant section is written that Coruscant is Human homeworld "img197.imageshack.us/img197/3388/coruscant.png" (in Aurebesh - as easter egg). If we consider SW:TOR beeing canonic shouldn´t we also take this reference as canonic too? --89.173.16.241 14:56, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

  • It's already established that it's speculated that Humans came from Coruscant. An Easter Egg doesn't really qualify as hands-down proof. —Milo Fett[Comlink] 18:23, October 23, 2009 (UTC)