Talk: Gorse Bendak

Dead or Not?

Ironically, this decision would prove fatal, as Starkiller was killed in the dueling ring by Revan.

I don't think there is any certainty about his canonical fate and i propose to ommit this sentence, since it's optional to kill him, especially if you choose to follow the Light Side path. Personally i avoided to complete the mission because of this. Of course you can still kill him since one Dark point doesn't alter your path, but i tend to think that the absolute Light Side path is canonical. 62.74.6.213 21:38, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)

• I disagree with you. Bendak was scum, and the Republic, the Sith, AND he Exchange all honored the bounty on his head, as he was a murderer for killing people in illegal death matches (but then again, what does that say about Revan?). Carth even says when Zax is finished listing off his and Selven's names off the "Murderer" list, Carth even says "I can't see anything wrong with going after people like that, so long as we don't end up on the list of their victims." Again, you do get a dark side point, but please notice that you get the point AFTER you agree to the Death Match but BEFORE you whack Starkiller. This, at least to me, indicates that the point was for breaking the death-match law, and not for rubbing out Bendak. Again, it could be argued that after you accept you MUST win or you will die, but that is just my interpritation. ELV —Unsigned comment by 71.146.133.208 (talk • contribs)
  • I personally don't see why Bendak deserved to die. When 2 people enter a death duel, they're basically agreeing to be killed. It's manslaughter at best. So in my view, Bendak didn't deserve to die, but it was just of Revan to kill him. (Which I did, even though I followed the light side.) -LtNOWIS 06:48, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

K the thing about all that stuff with revan being light side, Revan wasnt a jedi yet. in fact he was some kind of grunt, one that would be willing to kill an occasinal bad guy for some much needed credits. i personally that Revan probably killed both bendak and selven, because both people were approved by carthHK-47 rebuilt 16:20, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Just a point I'll like to point, even if Revan didn't kill Benak, he would have been killed during the wipeout ordered by Malak won't he?

Not Mandalorian

Bendak Starkiller was not a Mandalorian. He was an Iridorian, and should not go under the list of Mandalorian characters. —Unsigned comment by 205.188.116.67 (talk • contribs)

• He was a Mandalorian. He wore the Mandalorian armor (which no one else would wear at the time) and the voice actor obviously was trying to emulate Temuera Morrison. Kuralyov 03:14, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
  • Yeah, this is the first time I've heard him referred to as Iridorian. QuentinGeorge 03:14, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
    • From what I understand Starkiller was Iridorian in Mandalorian armor. —Unsigned comment by Darth Nuke (talk • contribs)
      • Provide a quote, or source, and we'll change it. And sign your posts. QuentinGeorge 05:48, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)
        • KOTOR is as good as source as any. And I believe it was the Hutt who said he was Iridorian.--Darth Nuke 04:36, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)
          • He was a Mandalorian. If and when you fight him, he might shout "For Mandalore!" —Unsigned comment by 67.233.76.122 (talk • contribs)
• Mandalorians were not a species as such, but a way of life. They consisted of various persons from various different races. There were Human Mandalorians, Zabraki Mandalorians, Togorians, Kerestians, and Mandallians also joined the mandalorian ranks. The only reason Mandarlorians look human in the games and comics is because the Mandalorians were mostly human. Jasca Ducato 13:02, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • The Mandalorians indeed were a species. A Grey skinned species it wasn't until the Mando wars that they started to convert other races. Zabraki wasn't one of them. They were mostly human after the Mando Wars because the original race has mostly died during the War. Also an IridoRian and an Iridonian are two different things.--Darth Nuke 02:26, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • Again an Iridorian and Iridonian are two different things. —Unsigned comment by Darth Nuke (talk • contribs)
      • dear lord you think it would be obvious he is not an iridorian listen to him during battle he shouts FOR MANDALORE there listen carefully i am not lying —Unsigned comment by Ralok Agum (talk • contribs)
        • An Iridorian would not be a Mandalorian. They despise the ways of the Mandalorians.--Darth Oblivion 15:19, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
          • Actually Ajuur says he fought like a Iridorian, not that he was one.RushinSundaws 02:45, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
  • During the fight Bendak will sometimes yell "For Mandalore!" Also, what does Wookiepedia think about the putting down the attributes and armaments of characters? For instance Bendak often uses plasma and cyroban grenades in the dueling ring, he will use a single vibroblade up close and his blaster from range. He wears Battle Armor (for purposes of equipment, not appearance) and so on. Furthermore because he uses Sniper Shot, he is on the of the few characters whose Intelligence (10) can be discerned using the battle log. He also has a 16 Strength and 18 Dexterity making him almost a peak physical specimen. In the D20 system these numbers are not meaningless stats for purposes of computing attack rolls, but they serve to define the character's actual physical capabilities. —Unsigned comment by 67.167.184.150 (talk • contribs)
    • "Also, what does Wookiepedia think about the putting down the attributes and armaments of characters? " Nah, that is all game mechanics. It would be speculative to make judgment calls based on RPG stats.--Sentry 19:52, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
      • Oy... So far, I can only conclude that you guys are just speculating. In case you haven't noticed, KOTOR is still kinda buggish. And do we know the Galaxy during the KOTOR timeline as well as the Galaxy in the movie timeline? Until we get a nod from any representative of the LucasArts, LucasFilm, or GL himself, he shall NOT be referred to as a Mandalorian. Darth T.35px ^{Join the dark side!} 23:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
        • Perhaps I haven't understood your reasoning well, but it's obvious that the authors intended him to be a Mandalorian character while making the game. If they wanted him to be a 'controversial' character, like an Iridorian turned Mandalorian, he would mention it clearly in dialogue. MoffRebus 10:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Head quote

Aren't We supposed to have only one head quote? Shouldn't we get rid of one of them? - Yoshi626 02:37, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Added "Contradictions" section to BTS

I've added a small section in the BTS highlighting the main contradiction between KotOR and the backstory provided for Bendak in the CG.

This quote from the announcer first brought it to my attention: "They're illegal, they're banned, they've been outlawed for nearly ten years - but we've got one for you tonight! A good, old fashioned death match!"

I'm surprised by the CG's backstory, in all honesty, since the amount of time Bendak had spent in retirement (as well as his having been past his prime) is brought up repeatedly throughout that subquest:

" You're good, maybe as good as Bendak in his prime. "

" Have you heard? Somebody's going to fight Bendak Starkiller in an illegal death match! Heh heh. I wonder if the old guy's still got what it takes. You figure he'd be out of practice, right? "

" So I heard Bendak Starkiller finally lost a death match. Can't say I'm surprised. The guy was retired for so long he probably lost his edge. "

" Bendak's a government contract, but he's a legend on Taris. He started out as duelist in the Upper Cantina. He never lost, but he only fought death matches. He killed hundreds in his day. "

Soundfile to the contrary, I'm not convinced Bendak was ever supposed to be a Mandalorian. Or, if he was, I don't think he was supposed to have been in the Mandalorian Wars. ( Uli Talk 22:11, 4 September 2008 (UTC))

• Still, there are a few retcons in effect for the past year to reconcile the early comics, the newer comics and the games. The games are now 5 years old, and some of the information given in them are bound to be contradicted when an attempt is made to reconcile information with other sources. Even though he may or may not have been meant to be a Mandalorian in the beginning, he was a Mandalorian Neo-Crusader - aka, he was forced to join or be a slave labouring in war forges. So in effect, he wasn't a Mandalorian at all after the war.

The reason why it's not 10 years currently is because the reason for the ban was because of the Sith Empire, and it hadn't even been formed until 5 years prior to the game. So the CG solved two issues - why Bendak uses the armour and why the ban was issued, and only a few years were changed.

I wonder how we're going to solve the contradiction, since it's clearly a retcon. All the best, SarimThiri 18:55, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

At present, I'd say that it's a mistake that (unfortunately) may become a retcon.

How can the CG have solved a problem that didn't exist previously? The first and only source to claim the Sith banned the death matches is the CG. In KotOR, the Sith merely enforced the ban, as part of their professed desire to maintain continuity with the Tarisian government. Remember that the Sith only conquered Taris following the destruction of the Endar Spire. Are we supposed to believe Bendak was only in retirement for a week before Revan showed up? :P

Bendak Starkiller is supposed to have been in retirement for years and, to be frank, there are plenty of ways he could have got his hands on the armour. He could have even been an early Neo-Crusader who jumped ship long before the main attack on the Republic, he could have killed one of the Neo-Crusaders who occupied Taris back in the wars, and so on and so forth.

I mean, if the CG was solving a problem via retconning, I'd have had no problems whatsoever... but - in this instance - it's not. ;)( Uli Talk 21:43, 7 September 2008 (UTC))

• Totally get how you feel about it, but I thought it was a bit different. I seem to recall that the Sith had already occupied Taris long before the Endar Spire battle, mainly because they have a military base already set up. I don't seem to recall (haven't played the game for a year so correct me if I'm wrong) that there was ever a statement made in the game that they hadn't already occupied the planet and neither why the ban on death matches was put forth. There was also the issue of his bounty, as to why it was put on his head. Because he killed people in matches? It was the largest bounty in the game and even outranked a notorious serial killer. The only thing is that the retcon was made and probably for a reason, so it might be enough to have the early source discussed in the behind the scenes section like with any other article that have even bigger contradictions. SarimThiri 17:20, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

To be fair, there are very few lines that give an indication of how long the Sith have been there, and they were easy to miss. Though, it has to be said, the Republic were pretty stupid if they could be "ambushed" over a planet under Sith control, which is what the very first words uttered by Trask indicate.

Hmm, that said, there *is* a way around that. We could say that the Republic attacked Taris with the intent of liberating it, only expecting a small planetary garrison... instead they were ambushed by a "Sith battle fleet".

I can actually only remember one line off the top of my head that indicates that the Sith haven't been there very long, which is Sarna's "You should try this Tarisian ale, it's fantastic! We should have conquered this planet ages ago!" (And the war's only been going on for four years...) That could probably be handwaved.

I don't recall there being any information on who outlawed the death matches, but considering that the Sith conquest is implied to have been really rather recent and they're said to have been banned for tenish years, I was never under the impression that they banned them. I mean, the only reason they stayed banned was because the Sith wanted to look all upstanding - even though they didn't really care. There's a line to the effect of: "Death matches are illegal... but I saw plenty of Sith officers at the match, so maybe they don't really care."

The Sith military base was the Tarisian Governent's military base. The Sith just stepped in, "overran it", in Zelka's words.

Really, extending the amount of time the Sith spent on Taris isn't the worst thing that could have happened. It's actually a little cooler if the Sith are fully entrenched and Malak bombs an entire world that's been under his control for yonks just to get to Bastila. It's just... gah... ten years... and all the stuff about Bendak being "past it". Though I suppose I could edit that out for my own peace of mind if I was really desperate. :P

I mean, ultimately, this is really unimportant. It only invalidates a few lines from one subquest for the most part. I'm just a bit odd.( Uli Talk 14:06, 9 September 2008 (UTC))

• Ultimately as you say this isn't that important. The only objection I have is that since the retcon was made, weather we like it or not, that the article does not stagnate in a state torn between two sources because it's marked as contradictory. Retcons have been made to minor issues before and haven't been marked, such as Cassus Fett's armour, but these issues are discussed in the behind the scenes section. To me personally the new history makes for a fine tie-in to the game by connecting some plot points, but this is an encyclopedia and I try to remain neutral on these issues. But I want to explore it anyway.
  • Almost nothing was known about Bendak other than that he was a duelist who only fought death matches and was forced into retirement 10 years before the game, which would be in 3,966 BBY, two years before the Mandalorians invaded.
  • The Tarisian government couldn't possibly enforce a ban on death matches while being invaded and occupied by a war-loving warrior tribe.
  • Bendak wore a Mandalorian Neo-Crusader armour, which he could have gotten anywhere in his career. But it's common use wasn't until after Vanquo, so chances were that he would have gotten it on Taris after the battle there if not somewhere else. Since the Neo-Crusaders drafted everyone into service I think it makes the most sense like it is now.
  • The only real thing they had to change was the date. This has been done many times before and to much larger dates.
  • Ten years could well be four in Tarisian years, as they didn't say standard years.
• The second comment I made is why I think they did this. SarimThiri 08:32, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I feel incredibly stupid for not thinking of the possibility that they were speaking in Tarisian years! Excellent suggestion. It still is a poor fit with the implication that the Sith conquered Taris shortly after the battle with the Endar Spire, but I've already got around that. That's a good point about the government being unable to enforce death matches while occupied by the Mandalorians, too. (Though I point out that the Mandalorian occupation of Taris is, in itself, a retcon originally formulated for the NEC. There's no mention of it in the game proper) Uli Talk 01:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

• Actually, there's a mention of the Mandalorian occupation of Taris in the game, when you speak further to Juhani she mentions that. But personally I can't see why the game should have more weight than any other source, because expanding on a backstory always introduces more material that isn't mentioned in the original source. KotOR brought in a HUGE change to TotJ in the first place, which the current comics have to resolve in some way as well. SarimThiri 04:59, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Juhani mentions only that the Jedi stopped off on Taris on the way to fight the Mandalorians, not that the world was occupied by the Mandalorians. You're aboslutely correct that supplementary material can, and should, add more backstory... but the Mandalorian occupiation of Taris, given your excellent point in regards to the Mandies not caring about death matches being banned or not, wasn't the most thought through of decisions. That, however, isn't a huge issue for me - and I don't blame the KotOR comic for assuming that the information within the NEC was accurate. (84.71.253.63 15:48, 4 May 2009 (UTC))

That was me, forgot to sign in. Uli Talk 15:49, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

It does, in the game, say that the military base used by the sith was taken over from the republic recently. —Unsigned comment by 98.30.34.19 (talk • contribs)

"Gorse" Bendak?

Source? —Unsigned comment by 87.72.89.75 (talk • contribs)

• Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide. -- I need a name (Complain here) 11:49, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

What's up with "Gorse Bendak"? Isn't the guy's name"Bendak Starkiller"?

Article inconsistency

This article contradicts itself; fittingly, in the section regarding lore contradictions.

Opening paragraphs: "Refusing to leave an opponent alive, Bendak retired from the ring after the Sith outlawed death matches."

Lore contradictions: "Moreover, though the Sith enforced the ban during the game, it was not suggested that it had been they who introduced it, as their conquest and subsequent quarantine of Taris was heavily implied—though not outright stated—to have taken place following the destruction of the Endar Spire."

So which stance does this article take? Did the Sith create the death match ban or simply continue to uphold that law? As the latter section states, nothing in the game indicates the former. QHRvRICdalurIA (talk) 01:02, August 2, 2018 (UTC)