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DarthGuy 14:34, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

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The Term "Force Power"

The d6 SW RPG First Edition already calls these "force powers", so the paragraph in "behind the scenes" about the name being derived from a a computer game is wrong. I´ll leave it up to someone more versed in this to edit it, i just say my side here.

( Gorsh, unsigned )

Since the distinction between Light and Dark is chaotic, repetitive and (in the case of games) inconsistent, I propose to make a separate article about each one. This will allow to extensively discuss any problems or inconsistencies and also details about various levels etc (like in Weapons of Star Wars). This page will have only the links, with brief descriptions. 62.74.4.240 19:49, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I suggest marking powers as "universal" whenever there is a contradiction between games (universal/light, universal/dark or light/dark). Safer that way. - Sikon 10:53, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)
  • seems to me that alot of this stuff is just an interpretation of game mechanics. HavetStorm

More on Force Flight

I propose that this be moved to Core powers. Just because a chunk of the only known users are Dark Side does not make this a dark side power... LordSolus 00:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I suppose I agree with that... Darth Sarge 21:27, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
  • while Force Flight is not necessarily a dark side power it is rare and therefore not a Core power that everybody learns

Force Flight is in the new Saga Edition rulebook as a talent of the Dathomiri Witches suggesting that it's not limited to Dark Side users and thusly could be considered Universal.

Preminitions

Do we have an article on preminitions, like Force Vision or Force Preminition? Because if we do not, we may have a serious problem. -- SFH 22:11, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Typo

Did you guys know that you put Thought bomb in twice?? LordRevan 02:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Which power would this be?

Which Force power is the ability to pick stuff up and hover it around? Would that just be TK? Kuralyov 18:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

as far as i know, that would be Telekinesis. user> JediMasterLego (please bear with me. i'm still new at using Wikis, Wikipedia, Wookiepedia, etc, and therefore, these "Talk"-pages)

Other Powers of The Force

Has anyone noticed these "2nd powers" of the Force? For example, couldn't TK be used to make yourself fly? And isn't Battle Precognition natural for Jedi? Please give more examples. DarkWarlock999

  • Yeah, Dooku did it in Clone Wars, and I always assumed Yoda's hover platform was Force fuelled rather than mechanical. And I remember Vader doing it in the RotJ SNES video game, if that is canonical any more.
  • In Star Wars Tales of the Jedi Book #2 Dark Lords of the Sith, Near the End in a Test run of Star Saber attack ships, Dace Diath crashes and uses what the book says the Jedi power of Levitation. So here is documented proof.
  • The ROTJ NES game should never have been canon, since it almost certainly contradicts the film.

What the heck!

201.248.243.22 made a hole bunch of carzy hole changes that need to be fixed! If some one can fix this problem that would be great.p

Is force kill in KOTOR another name for force crush?

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It's a more advanced version of choke, but it does essentially the same thing. It's not official until another source deems it so. So yeah,, until proven otherwise, it is. Darth AnxorRevanchist SithSith Order 02:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

  • They are totally distinct powers. In KotOR 2 both are presented. Force Kill has to do with strangling a person. Force Crush has more to do with imploding his bones. They should as such, be presented differently. 2Corin 517 16:38, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Farsight - Core Power?

Farsight is listed under Core Powers - that everybody learns. Excerpt from description: "Farsight was a rare Force ability."

This seems contradictory.

Also, Force Valor (Light Side) = Enhance Ability (Neutral) The descriptions are equal, and state that Force Valor is a light side ability.

The help page said something about people liking positive feedback, so I will also use this opportunity to say that the Wookiepedia as a whole, and this page, is an excellent resource. It is true!

Kormac 17:26, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Force Fight

How is it even possible for non-force users to defeat force users in one on one combat [armed or unarmed] because couldn't a jedi just lift em in the air be fore they could do anything just like in force choke.

Even if the jedi were to battle in an unarmed fight against a non-force user, they could see what the opponents next move is anyways. Therefore the Jedi or Sith have the upper-hand, but because of carelessness or something of the sort it is possible for a Jedi to lose unarmed combat. --Jedi Mike 19:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

There are intracacies to unarmed combat you might not be aware of. The battle pregognition of a Jedi or Sith is not always infalliable and dosen't just appear instantly before every attack. It comes in spurts at times, and even If a Jedi is skilled at unarmed combat, his opponant may be a very skilled and experienced Martial Artist, who may even possess greater speed, and closely matched reflexes.

There are several instances in the SW universe which highlight this fact. One such is the time Jango Fett took on a group of Jedi Knights and went beserk, killing them all with his bare hands. Traditionally, Mandalorian warriors are not Force-Sensitive at all, but that dosen't stop them from rivaling the Jedi in hand-to-hand combat.--The truth hurts... 00:31, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Other Powers

I'm putting these two together in this section only because I noticed their absence.

There were two force powers I didn't see listed at all, so I put them in.

First was what I termed "Transfer Mind". Callista did this to transfer her personage to the ship, and then to the body of that other Jedi Lady. The emperor reborn did this all the time to get into clone bodies.

The second was "cut off from the force". This is another one I made up the name for, but it seems sensible enough. The Yuuzhan Vong homeworld apparently did this to the Vong, and I believe it has happened to others as well.

These should be there, and I didn't know enough to write them Serendipitousus 22:40, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

What power

What was the name of the power used in Balance Point by the dark jedi (forgot the name haven't read it in awhile) that she used to create beams and slice the Vong shaper up?

  • It's Star By Star, not Balance Point, and her name is Lomi Plo. But I have no idea what the power is.--Amican 18:03, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Possible Force powers

Is it theoretically possible to use the force to rip someones arm off? Also is it possible to use 2 force powers at the same time? 159.250.23.2 16:39, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

  • I believe that theoretically it is, just move his arm and his body in different direction. Using 2 different force powers at the same time would all depend on the users strength in the force. I seem to recall at least a few books where a Jedi was force deflecting blaster bolts and opening doors at the same time. Darth Sarge 01:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I thought of something. What about using the force to add power to a saber strike. Like almost a force push behind it, surrounding the light saber with the force and then releasing it in the direction you swing you saber is kinda cool. You could send people flying with one strike.

Just remember that force powers are a specific way to look at the force, "Nothing is impossible with the Force," and anything imaginable is possible with enough skill and practice - Dark Lord Zooqooo 18:03, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

  • Starkiller does that in Force Unleashed, he charges his light saber with lightning, also in the RPG Starwars D6 a Jedi can rise his light saber damage using control. Besides that the sixth light saber form, Niman, is known to be a form where the user combine lightsaber moves with force powers. Notivago 13:53, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Sources

As I do most of my editing from work where the site is mostly paperless I cannot add the sources myself, nor do I know all of them, but if someone could put in KoTOR and KoTOR 2 and many of the other games that would cover most of our sources, as well as the roleplaying books and guides exspecially for the Wizards of the coast D20 system Darth Sarge 02:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I added all of the sources I thought might have the information so if any of them are incorrect feel free to edit Darth Sarge 03:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Force Empathy?

Is it just me, or are Force Empathy and Pyschometry the same thing? I read their articles and they share most of the same points. Rymmeli Throhn 21:29, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

  • I agree with that, perhaps the two should be merged? Cuine100 13:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

More force powers?

I was browsing Category:Force powers and found a heck of a lot of powers not listed here. Should I add links from them to this article? Or should I not worry about it. Cuine100 13:02, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Force Resuscitation

I believe this should be removed from the list until it's light/dark side alignment can be determined. Though its effects seem to echo the light side, its motivations stem from selfishness and attachment which are paths to the dark side. Wolf hints at this and Cade acknowledges it. I will give it one week and then remove it if no logical, valid arguments are presented. Micah Giett 01:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it doesn't necessarily need to be [known, determined, and/or "confirmed" if it's Light side or Dark side]. Kyle Katarn said in the game "Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy" that "Force powers are not inherently 'good' or 'evil'; it's how you use them". There is also the fact that, as we all know, "Light"-side Force powers bring (and/or are about) healing, positive things, good things, helping others, and defense; and seek not death and destruction, but defense, helping others, and doing GOOD onto others. While "Dark"-side Force powers are all about death and destruction, and seeking harm onto others. A ton of examples can be seen all over the Star Wars Universe, about this (including in [Star Wars] videogames/computer-games, such as "Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy", "KOTOR", "KOTOR 2", "Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Outcast", and others): "Light"-side Force powers including Force Heal, Force Absorb, Mind trick, Force Protection, etc, while "Dark"-side Force Powers included Force Rage, Force Drain, Force Choke, Force Lightning, and others powers that are meant to HARM the opponent/enemy rather than just AID the Force-user in defending himself [or herself].

There is also the fact that, in theory AND in practice, all Force-users have access to the Force and ALL Force-powers, INCLUDING both Light and Dark Force-powers. This can be seen as Kyle Katarn uses Force-Lightning and Force-Choke (in "Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy", for example), Luke Skywalker uses Force-Choke (in Star Wars Episode 6: Return of the Jedi), Yarael Poof using the Force-power Combustion, and other examples.

There is also the fact that, because Cade Skywalker lashed out in anger at the Imperials/One-Sith after seeing his father killed (one of the reasons why the Jedi decided to start accepting only really-really-young and/or birth-born candidates for Jedi Training, and also, selecting candidates for Jedi-training since birth, and did some more changes during the Ruusan Reformation), and later in desperation resurrected Wolf Sazen (which led him to believe "this is a DARK-side Force power"), and after his craft seemingly blew up while battling the Imperials/One-Sith, [remember that] he was taken in by pirates and taught their ways and eventually he grew to forget (in the case of its teachings about anger, hate, negative feelings and emotions, the Dark side and the Light side) and/or reject his Jedi training (in the case of using Force-powers and "keeping the peace" like a Jedi would), which would further make him think "this power is only for use in the Dark side, and/or accessible only in the Dark side, not the Light side", although later, Wolf Sazen would come back to *remind* his [former] apprentice of his [old] Jedi teachings, and *remind* him that true power comes from the Light side of the Force, not the Dark side, and that the Dark side of the Force has no 'REAL power' and that it is merely a lie and that he needs to "trust in the power of the Light side above the Dark" (Wolf Sazen's own words), and that he (Cade) ALSO needs to trust in the power of the Force. (Eventually, Cade would do what Wolf Sazen said, and heal Delilah using the LIGHT side of the ForceItalic text (ie. by accessing "Force Resuscitation" AGAIN, but this time using the Light side of the Force instead of the Dark [side]) JediMasterLego 11:59, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Mind Trick?

In Kotor2 when you make force persuasion you get dark side shiftment. Is it a dark or light side power?

That depends on how it is used, but in all instances it is listed as a Light side power. Jedi would use it to avoid combat, whereas Sith would use it for personal gain. However, if a Sith wanted something, he'd probably use violence instead. Anyway, Light sided. Jorlyn Gunnar 19:16, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

In both of the KOTOR games just choosing a sarcastic or non-compassionate dialog option garnered you dark-side points. That alignment system may not be the best gauge to go off of for defining Force power spheres.

Actually, Force persuasion is a universal power in KotOR II. Using it to cause death or get credits resulted in a dark side shift, but using it to avoid conflict did not and often caused a light side shift; for example, when the thugs are harassing a man for credits on Nar Shaadda you may use Force Persuade to make them give you all their credits and jump off the walkway to their deaths, or to leave the man alone. The first option is Light, the second Dark. 72.102.102.136 11:23, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Potentium?

This article is written as if Potentium is so.

"The Power of the Jedi Sourcebook states that the Potentium is a corrupt, misguided philosophy, and is the first canonical source to confirm this."

This article is fundamentally in-correct. Wile I am not against having the potentium views in the article, they should be alongside the conventional (and canonical) view, with the potentium labeled as such. (- -) 00:35, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Sure but is not the power of the jedi source book, meant to be guidlines for role playing as a jedi? Therefore wouldn't that jsut canonicaly be the jedis view on the subject? Correct me if I am wrong.
    • That would depend on if the sourcebook was speaking as an in-character source or an out-of-character source. If the latter, then no. 68.231.208.53 03:47, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
      • This Dispute seems to have been resolved. There's only 1 occurence of the word Potentium in the article, and it was relegated to "Behind the Scenes". I am removing the "Disputed" tag.--Richterbelmont10 (talk) 20:24, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Missed a few.

You guy's missed a few Force Powers from this list:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Force_powers—Unsigned comment by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

Core powers/darkside/lightside/universal VS Sense/Control/Alter

I think the RPG-based Sense/Control/Alter dividing would be better, becouse the folloving:

What is the source of term: core force?

Most of the powers can be used both sides, only few are strictly dark or light.

The other grouping doesn't have the uncertainity of purpose. Darth Morrt 20:42, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

  • I think the dark/light powers are only game mechanism. For eample i don't think Luke used the dark side by Choking the gamorreans. The forse can be light or dark sided by the purpose, but most of the powers can be used by either side of the force. So there is no need for side-based separation of force powers. I would like to change it to RPG stile Sense/Alter/Control, because it has a better logic, but I'm waiting for some agree. Darth Morrt 11:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
    • So, as you see, I made the changes I would have liked. I've put all powers from this article to one of the areas. I've left the core/dark /light/universal powers, but i think they sould be modified to stricktly dark or light, and the universal deleted later. In my opinion universal powers term is a game mechanics of Kotor games. There are dark/light sides of the force (in don't agree with Lucas but i should), but there are not dark/light powers. It the matter of purpose. Please don't remake my changes whitout a word. Darth Morrt 21:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

"Remember: abilities are not inherently good or evil, it's how you use them." This is true of all powers even ones that are strongly associated with one moral side of the force - Dark Lord Zooqooo 18:11, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

    • Except for powers which are only a function of emotional outburst - that's Dark Sided by default. The Dark Side is all about that. The determining factor to replicating it in the light side is a calm, rational approach. 68.231.208.53 03:48, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Torpedo

I remember there being a dark side force power that completley destroyed everything in it's path and the creator put it in a torpedo. What happened to it?

Teleport

Isn't there a Force power that allows teleportation? --Xepeyon You Speak, I've Spoken 02:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello? --Xepeyon You Speak, I've Spoken 16:33, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
  • If you think so, add it. It's from the FoC, isn't it? It's maybe some kind of mind trick, but its only my fanfic. Darth Morrt 06:27, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Aing-Tii techniques have yet to be added to this article. While most appearances of "teleportation" are most likely illusions, the Aing-Tii can bend space and time to teleport items and themselves (sources Hand of Thrawn, Dark Nest, Legacy of the Force). Iurus 16:36, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

FORCE BODY???!!!

Okay now what in the heck does Force Body mean!!!??? Seriously!!! 'Use Force energy with life energy with Force energy with life energy' WHAT THE HECK!!!!!!!!!!?????????? --China Emperor 00:20, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

  • It's from the Kotor game. You can use not only your Force points but your Vitality points as well to use the Force. Maybe the apprentice used it against the Emperor too. Darth Morrt 06:45, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

So it's with stats from the KoTOR game? Hm. Kay, TY.

  • If you think about that not like stats, it causes 'vital weakness' in the force-user. if the user overuses it, he begin to die. Darth Morrt 07:17, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
    • If I remember correctly, it can also be used vice versa, kinda like a balance b/w your "Force energy" and vitality. If you get injured, the Force power can help you by "taking away from your Force energies" instead of your vitality. Cyfiero 06:10, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Control area

Shouldn't Force Jump be part of Control area? --Xepeyon You Speak, I've Spoken 02:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC) Force Jump is an aspect of telekinesis- using the Force to further one's physical strength does not usually make them able to perform the feats we've seen in the movies. Iurus 16:32, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Force Bubble

  • I found this was missing and I was curious about it. Tahiri uses it in NJO book 16. 2Corin 517 16:38, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Can Droids be felt through the force?

See Title. Mecenarylord 13:52, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

  • I think it's not a question belonging to the topic. But nothing is impossible with the force. Force is everywhere in the universe. If someone learn to separate the force around droids from the force elsewhere, he can learn to sense droids. But I don't know any canon appearence of this. Darth Morrt 18:55, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
    • There is a minor conflict between TOJ and the films in that the assassin droids were not able to be sensed by the Jedi in the Old Republic of the Dark Horse comic. When Ben is training Luke on the Falcon in ANH, Luke could almost "feel" the training remote droid even with the blast shield over his eyes. In ESB, Yoda clearly was teaching Luke how to sense the force connecting the rocks, the droid, the ship, etc., which indicates that Luke could feel R2-D2 as he picked the droid up when he was doing his handstand. Gethralkin 19:12, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Another fact that I read somewear is that Obi Wan new about Luke and leia being the last of the jedi, but there was one more and he could sense him but he didn't know who it was. It turned out to be a droid. no keep in mind I read this in a comic. I just thought I would let you know.

In KotOR II, Kreia stated clearly that you can't actually feel any usual life energy or Force energy from the droids, but you can feel the trickles of disturbance caused by the droid's movements and artificial life. Cyfiero 08:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

There is no conflict actually: the Old Republic Jedi could perfectly sense the presence of an assassin droid, however their "danger sense" (actually, their ability to sense an emotive spike in a would-be attacker when he goes for his strike) would not warn them of the droid's intent, since the droid has no emotion whatsoever. When camouflaged as a bening droid, an asassin droid could relatively easily approach a Jedi and land a killing shot befor his victim was even aware of an attack, although it was aware of the droid's presence. Lecolius 11:30, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

here is a few

Force Push

Force whirlwind

Force wave

Battle Meditation

Heal

Force Crush

Fear

Horror

Insanity

Burst of speed

Knight speed

Master speed

Wound

Choke

Kill

yeah they are all from the KOTOR games. DarthGuy 14:35, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Maelstrom

  • Shouldn't Maelstrom from The Force Unleashed be added? Fluberbuton 02:09, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

force ghost while still alive?

hey would it be possible to make a 'force ghost' without being dead? like if you're meditating and someone asks you to do something, you can send a ghost-esque thingy to do it instead of you? it could be used by just doing force illusion and using tk to make it seem as though you're phisically there but what do you think?—Unsigned comment by 90.219.155.168 (talk • contribs)

    • This is not a Star Wars discussion forum or chat page. This is a talk page used to discuss changes and improvements to the article. Please limit your comments to that purpose. GethralkinHyperwave 07:51, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Force Description

The opening paragraph wherein the Force is described as being different from magic, I thought perhaps a logical reference would be from Ben Kenobi defining the force as an "energy field" which surrounds and binds. More concrete than the amorphous concept of magic perhaps.

Lack of Citations

This article has a serious lack of citations, especially after the heading "Using Force powers". There are barely any citations for the rest of the article. In addition, each individual Force power does not have any citations to show that it truly belongs in a particular section (ex: control, alter, sense, light, dark, etc).--Richterbelmont10 (come in R2!) 16:52, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-categorize Revelation?

The power "Revelation" seems quite strongly to be a Sense ability, not Alter. You might argue that the shimmering effect is a result of alter, but the core of the power is Sense. Unless we want to start micro-categorizing each element of a power I think it is better to list this as a Sense ability. 24.19.232.54 02:24, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

Force Ray

The link for that power leads to an article about a fish on Naboo. Not exactly a force power...

Egeria of the Tok'ra (talk) 09:10, April 23, 2015 (UTC)

  • It doesn't appear that Ray used to be a Force power article, and since I couldn't find an applicable Force power that should be linked instead, I've removed it. Trip391 (talk) 09:58, April 23, 2015 (UTC)

1.1 Cleanup

FORCE CLOAK

In the Force powers section it is stated that force cloak is a core ability taught to initiates and new members for their training, however this contradicts the entire wookie page on force cloak itself which states numerous times that it is a rare ability that is difficult to advance through. The idea of a system to test for the natural ability to possibly learn the basics is something that would make sense but I highly doubt that initiates would be taught it. The references given in the force cloak section also support the claim of it being a rare power. So with this information we should remove it from the core abilities and put it into the control section as not to confuse. —Unsigned comment by LONGLIVEMIRAL (talk • contribs)

  • This is actually something that has bothered me since 2007 yet I never thought to contest it. I agree with you. Force Camouflage/Cloak is an advanced technique in most sources, and unless a source is given that states it is a core Force power, we should remove it. I will do so now. Sol Pacificus (talk) 00:36, October 15, 2015 (UTC)

Scientists Can't Identify

I know it was pretty obvious in the first movie that the Force was a mystical power, with the "I find you lack of faith...disturbing" scene. And George Lucas wanted the force to be like a magic power in fairy tales. Explainable at some possible level, but beyond mortal knowledge. That being said, the star wars universe has grown ALOT since a new hope. The Empire Strikes Back proved the force to be a little less magical, and more spiritual. Then, soon after into a force easily explainable by science. This is why I disagree with the line on the page that says "These powers were supernatural abilities not described by scientists." We know that midi-chlorians have been studied by people (not scientists, granted) and we know that they aren't understandable, either. We know that they worked like any other cell, with organelles and a nucleus, except they could connect the Force to the physical world. We know that Force crystals do the same thing, probably the same way, on a microscopic level, using their crystallite formations. There has actually been technology that can stop the force from working, or even use the force. Science clearly understands the force. So I ask that this be changed. agent es November 4th 2015

Upcoming overhaul

Hello there! I wanted to give a heads-up that sometime in the near-ish future, I'm going to begin an overhaul of this article. The article started back before referencing was required, and years before some of the major books (like The Jedi Path) were released. The primary aims of overhauling are ensuring all information is sourced, and better reflecting the in-universe sources. In the process, because the majority of the current article lacks citations, some content will be temporarily removed (pending citations) rather than the present state where large stretches of text aren't cited. I'll be sandboxing/workbenching in one of my subpages rather than doing it on the article itself. Anyone have further thoughts on areas of improvement/what improvements we could make? Immi Thrax RainbowRebellion2 (she/her) (talk) 08:39, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

bro why edit these pages (canon and legends)

The style before on these pages are fine. Why change? It showed the core force abilities and as well light and dark ones. It also has more categories for the force that are there. —Unsigned comment by 216.165.234.252 (talk • contribs)