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Origins?

  • There have been red-clad royal guards before the Imperial stormtroopers even existed. I suspect the unit was originally formed from senate guards by chancellor Palpatine in the first ten years of his office. As I understand it, the text is based on West End Games material that was written before the nature of stormtroopers as being clones was established. Why test stormtroopers on size requirements? --Gen.d 19:11, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
  • We know that not all stormtroopers were clones, as some were given birth stories, so it is reasonable that some Royal Guards were also not clones. --SparqMan 19:57, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Early Name

There were Red Guards in AOTC and ROTS; what was their name beofre the Empire? The Chancery Guard? Kuralyov 00:28, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)

  • I imagine that based on what we know of the relationship between Stormtroopers and Royal Guards, that the red armored guards seen in ROTS are Shock Troopers in ceremonial dress. --SparqMan 01:09, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)
    • So, what we're seeing in AotC are already Coruscant-trained shocktroopers (or even troopers from the 501st)? Palpatine thumbing his nose at the Jedi and the Senate by having clone troopers in his personal escort already? I like that? *grins* --McEwok 16:56, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • In the time of the Republic they were called Red Guards (from ROTS novelization), later Palpatine renamed them to the Royal Guards

Royal Guards under other Imperial leaders

And a quick question to try to clear up the origins of Isard's Royal Guards - from memory, they first appear when she's kicking the S*th out of Carvin at the end of the XWRS comic run - but do we see Royal Guards with Pestage or the Tribunal earlier? Thanks!! --McEwok 16:56, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)

  • Doing the Kir Kanos article and was wondering if the Royal Guards didnt side with anybody during palpatine's hiatus as emperor why are they seen with pestage and isard? if they kept to themselves, did they just go yinchorr or byss and did nothing? --Razzy1319 08:08, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • The mythos of the Imperial guard probably isn't literally, totally true: Vin Northall allready defected to the Alliance, Tierce remains with his stormtrooper unit and then serves Thrawn, Carnor Jax is part of a group who answer to Isard and who she gives to Lumiya. --McEwok 11:01, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Red, Scarlet, Crimson

Does anyone object to me changing "crimson" to the more correct "scarlet" in the description of the Guard's armour? The Crimson Empire title was to do with someone getting muddled up with the G.I. Joe "Crimson Guard"; that said, the stormtrooper armour of Lumiya's two squads is described as crimson in SWG #3, "wikipedia:crimson" can be used to mean "red" generally, and the databank behind the scenes remarks use it as well... --McEwok

Updates

Added Vin Northal from Cracken's Rebel Operatives; corrected a few things about Isard, Lumiya, and Carnor Jax, mainly using Gamer #5 --McEwok 13:29, 12 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Armour of Imperial Guard

There seem to be discrepancies between the armour as seen in the films and the armour as seen in publications such as 'Crimson Empire'.In fact,the helmets in the films seem to be a singular moulded piece,whereas the helmets in comic clearly allow the wearer to crane his neck or peer around corners.It is said in the article that the armour does not restrict movement,but how exactly does that work?

  • Well, we don't exactly see the guards in the movies crane their necks or peer around corners. Therefore, since the comics do, it means it doesn't restrict movement. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 11:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • what i mean is,if the helmet's a moulded piece of plastic,as it seems to be in the films,how can the guard move their necks at all?Crimson empire (especially the cover art) shows the helmet as being a solid part removed from the chest armour (similar to a stormtrooper) bit with a 'sheath' of cloth or flexible plastic.Clearly the discrepancies lie in the composition and structure of the helmets.
    • Where does it say that the helmet was a moulded piece of plastic? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 12:06, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
      • good point.But it LOOKS like a singular piece of um..'armourplast' or whatever the particular substance is.With no joins,seams or differences in texture I think we can assume from FILM evidence that it was a singular piece of plastic.I would imagine that Stormtrooper armour and Royal Guard armour would be made of roughly the same material.It's hard to imagine The Emperor forking out PHRIK to his (supposed) 50,000 royal guards.

Should we add a section to the article about the armor the Guard wore in TFU (3 and 2 BBY)? Since it's not the same, just the armor, no robes. Darth Kynval 01:55, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Red guards in red stormtrooper armor?

I'm curious, where does it say that Lumiya's red troops are really red royal guards that we know from the movies? ArcTrooper1138

The Royal Guard during Attack of the Clones?

I'm not sure why this wouldn't be considered an appearance for them when they can be clearly seen during the Palpatine office scenes. Unless it's a different royal guard...--RedemptionTalk Uglykotoricon 01:20, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Possible Mandalorians?

  • I am not quite sure...but is it at all possible that Royal Guards are Mandalorians? It seems

infinitely likely, since they look like them. --- Xima

Merge?

I propose we merge this with the Red Guard page, they're the same thing, just in different times.--1upD 18:25, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Force-sensitivity

Out of curiosity, what's the source for all of the guards being Force-sensitive? Obviously Jax was, but how do we know that the others were as well? Kaje 01:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

  • I think the Dark Empire Sourcebook. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 01:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Then is that really a reliable source to be assuming their Force Sensativity from, given that they are never stated for beeing force sensative with the exception of the Sovereign Protector User: BenMUK
I think a lot of them were Force-sensitive (because of the way they fight--being compared to Jedi).--B-Boba Fett! He'll kill us all! 21:12, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

TIE Interceptors

HASBRO has a "Royal Guard TIE Interceptor Vehicle"

the description says: "Yet another iteration of the highly effective and dangerous TIE Interceptor, this distinctive Imperial starfighter is designed to take full advantage of the unique skills of the Emperor's Royal Guard. These ships fly most often as escorts and guardians of the Emperor's personal spacecraft and its decoys. They rival even Rogue Squadron as one of the most effective fighter wings in the galaxy. Though they boast small hyperdrive engines and enhanced weapons and shields, their true advantage lies in that their pilots’ own skills are sometimes enhanced by the Force abilities of the Emperor himself."

Royal Gaurd TIE

I took the stand out of the pic

Armor Page?

Shouldn't we add the Royal Guard Armor to the armor category page? - Awar 02:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

Communist China Red Guards?

Is there anything they have in common with the Imperial Guard except the name? Sounds a little far-fetched to me. Evir Daal 12:15, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Removed till verified. KEJ 12:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

GA cleanup template

The only thing that I can see that needs to be done to bring this up to standards is to source the article. Once the article has been fully sourced per our sourcing policy, the {{Gacleanup}} template should be removed. Greyman(Talk) 06:21, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

  • What needs to be sourced? Is it a specific fact or a whole part of the article? Maphisto86 03:54, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Lightsaber pikes

Despite all written information about them, even as enemies in the game the imperial royal guard and the senate gaurd as well appear to use lightsaber pikes not forcepikes.SargeLIVES 01:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

  • A lightsaber pike is what the Imperial Shadow Guards use...Stormie Fan 22:27, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
    • Yes and they are meant to be the only "guard" unit that does HOWEVER all the other guardsman models (likely due to laziness in programing) use lightsaber pikes as well.SargeLIVES 21:42, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
      • What game are you referring to? I don't recall these guys outside of cutscenes in TFU... Or do they have them in the cutscene where Leia arrives on Kashyyyk? EDIT: Just watched the cutscene again and you were correct... I guess they were lazy and just reskinned the Shadow Guard. Stormie Fan 23:12, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Early Red Guards in the book Darth Bane Rule Of Two.

When Zannah gets Hetton to attempt to murder Bane,Hetton brings his Umbaran shadow Assassins it describes them on page 200 hardcover edition "Red robed figures...their identities hidden by the visors of their helmets.Each carries a long metal rod Bane recognized as a force pike".This sound just like the Royal Guard's armor to me--Bull36 19:40, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Last name?

Kir Kanos has a last name. Since all the Guards were former Storm Troopers (if you look really closely, it says in Crimson Empire that the Royal Guard was taken from the top squads), then why do they have last names?--B-Boba Fett! He'll kill us all! 21:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Some help

I've been working on this article for a bit now and have been reorganizing it as well as have been adding in reference sources. Still a work in progress. But anyway, the last section which says "Royal Guards serving other Imperial commanders", I was wondering if anyone can help me by directing me to the appropriate sources for the unsourced sections. The first part talks about Sate Pestage, is that a speculatory bit about him possessing those guards? If it is, will move it to the "Behind the Scenes" section instead. Same question in regards to the Ysanne Isard section. Also, whats the source on Daala promoting the Second Imperium unidentified Royal Guard to Guardsmen status? Any help here is appreciated thank you. Darth Batrus 13:47, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, got what I needed. I think thats all appearances in the history section expanded. Darth Batrus 20:45, April 2, 2010 (UTC)