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Zabraks

What source states that the Nightsisters are also Zabraks? For some reason, I was under the impression that the females of the planet weren't Zabrak because they lacked horns. Are female Dathomirian Zabraks an exception to the horned features of the Zabrak? -- User:Jabot164(talk) 18:50, October 18th, 2019 (UTC)

  • I guess Star Wars: The Visual Encyclopedia says it, as that’s what it is sourced to in the info box--Editoronthewiki (talk) 20:45, October 18, 2019 (UTC)
    • Could somebody else who has the book fact check this? It seems unlikely that Nightsisters are considered Zabraks. I know it's canon that the Zabrak Nightbrothers reproduced with the Nightsisters, but they share very little in terms of traits. If possible, a quote would definitely clear up any confusion on the subject. EthSch13 (talk) 19:26, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
      • It says 'Tribal Zabrak males live on Dathomir. They dwell separately from the females, known as Nightsisters, though they are subservient to them.' --Lewisr (talk) 19:41, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
        • Alright, thank you for the quote. I think that's enough evidence that Nightsisters are technically considered Zabraks, no matter how odd it seems. EthSch13 (talk) 20:06, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
      • Another source I found was {{Databank|Dathomirian}} -AmazinglyCool (talk) 14:06, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
        • Thanks, yeah that is definitely very clear. EthSch13 (talk) 14:09, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
          • If they were considered Zabraks then they would be listed as Zabraks. The information is being misinterpreted. The males have always had their species listed in official sources as "Dathomirian Zabrak" and the females simply as "Dathomirian". This is because "Dathomirian" is established as a hybrid species, the males are zabraks but that doesn't mean the females are. As Leland Chee has said, the hybridization resulted in only the males being Zabrak.Trenton Burton (talk) 20:20, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
  • At least Collapse of the Republic treats them as separate species --Goodmind (talk) 13:30, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
    • The databank doesn’t and several other sources refer to the females as Zabraks as well. As where in Collapse of the Republic is this stated? AmazinglyCool Nightsisters symbol - JFO (talk) 13:41, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
      • Page 13, under Physiology "the near-human Dathomirians are all women with pale white, blue, or gray skin with darker markings that Nightsisters accentuate with tattooed patterns" While mentioning Zabrak separately from Dathomirians. --Goodmind (talk) 14:53, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
      • The wording of the Databank almost seems to treat it as planet demonym, instead of a species --Goodmind (talk) 14:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
        • That would be speculation as the Darabank doesn’t list denonyms. Also, Talzin a Dathomirian female, is the father of Maul, a Dathomirian male. AmazinglyCool Nightsisters symbol - JFO (talk) 15:17, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
  • It's called sexual dimorphism. Yes, Nightsisters are Dathomirians, which are a subspecies of Zabrak. Dathomirian Zabrak is a more complete name. The males simply happen to look more like Iridonian Zabraks than the females. Jarhead002 (talk) 21:42, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
    • You need to provide that better source, Collapse doesn't support this argument --Goodmind (talk) 12:43, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
      • Dathomirian in the Databank is under the species tag, and The Visual Dictionary. I’ll find more later when I can. AmazinglyCool Nightsisters symbol - JFO (talk) 12:50, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
        • This really needs to be cleaned-up to align with Collapse of the Republic. The Nightsisters are Dathomirian not Zabrak. The databank and other sources are still being misinterpreted.—Unsigned comment by 185.114.33.5 (talk • contribs)

Article Needs To Be Split

The Zabrak are not from Peridea. The Dathomiri met them after the migration. —Unsigned comment by 104.244.225.230 (talk • contribs)

  • This is blatant speculation and thus shouldn't be added to the page. Per Discord, it seems that as of right now we aren't assuming the Dathomiri are from Peridea (which technically isn't stated in the episode), but instead that they spent a large enough amount of time on the planet for it to be considered their homeland at some point. AmazinglyCool Nightsisters symbol - JFO (talk) 23:18, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Per Discord? What are you talking about? In the actual canon episode that aired, Morgan Elsbeth specifically says that the Nightsisters originated on Peridea. 69.160.102.65 14:04, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

  • What the episode actually states is that Peridea is the Nightsister's "ancient homeland," with the term homeland having several different definitions, with only one defined as a native land. AmazinglyCool Nightsisters symbol - JFO (talk) 20:04, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Dathmiri

The newest Databank updates about Peridea, etc seem to draw a distinction between the Dathomirians of Dathomir and their Peridea ancestors, including the Great Mothers, who are repeatedly referred to as "Dathmiri". I don't think anything actually states a specific delineation between the two, but I feel like these articles should reflect the distinction, and maybe even a separate Dathmiri article made. - TLM86 12:13, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

  • I agree on making a separate Dathmiri page, but the pages do need to make the distinction regardless Lewisr (talk) 16:06, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
  • I agree the Dathmiri of Peridea are a separate group from their relatives on Dathomir. The Databank and the Clone Wars Character Encyclopedia both count Dathomirians and Dathomirian Zabraks as effectively the same species. Meanwhile, the Peridea Databank entry says Peridea was the Dathomirian ancestral home. So, creating a separate page for the Dathomiri of Peridea sounds like a good idea.StarWarsFan327 (talk) 15:31, 16 June 2024 (UTC)