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Info

Is all the info coming from Lumiya? If so, should we take it with a grain of salt? -- SFH 20:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, we know nothing about him otherwise. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 20:22, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
    • It's basically the same scenario as the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise; we only have the word of a character who is affiliated with the most untrustworthy group in the galaxy. So everything they say should be taken with a grain of salt. Lumiya doesn't even consider Palpatine and Vader true Sith - Kwenn 20:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

absolutely. there is something lumiya isn't telling him. though i'm sure jacen is redeemed either by luke, ben, his parents, or jaina. DarthMalus 14:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Personally, I think Jacen should remain a Sith. But we're getting off of the subject. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 19:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Regardless of any possible future plans, the fact remains that Lumiya is the only source of info on this guy. There is, as yet, no official, OOU material on him - Kwenn 20:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

How do we know he is preceeded by Darth Mel? Is it in the book? Just curious. Stinkywookie 16:32, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't want to misspell it so I just shortened it. I can't wait to get my hands on this book. Stinkywookie 19:43, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I may have to hit up my local book store to see if they did that too Stinkywookie 20:01, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Now I really hate Borders and Barnes and Noble here in the U.S.... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 21:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Back to the point again. I didn't find any indication in Betrayal as to when he lived, apart from the "hundreds of years ago" comment. In fact the statement that he died of old age surrounded by friends and family doesn't sound very likely from a Sith of Banes order. Charlii 11:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Perhaps it's all a lie, then? Just as Sidious pretends to be a regular guy, maybe Lumiya is making the asteroid administrator out to be more than he is? - Kwenn 12:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
      • That or he is another splinter group....Lumiya now doesn't believe that Vader and Sids were true Sith so maybe there is another group of Sith. Stinkywookie 12:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Darth Vectivus is real. Lumiya may have tried to pretty him up and then disassociate herself with Sith like Sidious and Vader, to make her order seem different and nicer I guess. Her core character trait is the same as Sidious. Bothe want power, both use any means to get what they want. Telling the truth or telling lies is no exception. The point is that she needs Jacen. She will tell him what he wants to hear. Jacen doesn't believe the darkside exists, so naturally Lumiya would appeal to the delussion of his. The Sith prey upon weakness and exploit it. Anakin wanted to save his wife's life, Sidious knew this, he also knew his master had the ability, seeing it as an opportunity, he told Anakin about not only his possible creator, his own master, but a particular arcane discipline that Plagueis possessed. Anakin wanted that power, Sidious promises it, and Anakin pledges himself to Sidious. Lumiya may be doing the same thing to Jacen. Though unlike Sidious, she distorts the truth just enough to appeal to Jacen's own view of the force. DarthMalus 16:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Saying that Vectivus was real doesn't mean he was. It's the same deal with Plagueis—they haven't actually appeared anywhere yet, and we only have the words of characters. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 19:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Plagueis is mentioned in the NEC, so he does exist. Or are you arguing that it can't be trusted since it's written in-universe? We can only note where facts are dubious from an IU perspective, we can't leave information out of the Wookiee because of that. Charlii 19:21, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
        • We only have the word of a lone character that said Darth Vectivus was real. We have no actual proof that Vectivus was real. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 19:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
          • Doesn't he actually appear in some way in the book. Like a ghost or spectre of some sort? I think he was real but I would take what he says with a grain of salt. Stinkywookie 19:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
            • Plagueis isn't mentioned in the NEC. That was written way before RotS was released (EDIT: D'oh. Just realized I got my acronyms mixed up. Thought you meant New Essential Guide to Characters. Apologies - Kwenn 20:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • you know, everyone should chill, alot of people are getting to worked up about this betrayel infomation, whatever aspect of it. Jedi Dude
  • well until we know for sure, he's real, and you don't need to be so rude about it you know. Jedi Dude
  • well to be honest, it seems to be the only way things are settled is when they go your way, no one will know if he is real until the book is out more widely, so for now the infomation should stay, that includes Vectivus, whether real or not. Jedi Dude
  • i was talking in general there, what im saying is there any point debating hes real until we have the books which concerns him?Jedi Dude
  • I was talking about Darth Vectivus. I know Plagueis hasn't been "seen." Stinkywookie 12:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Please don't post in the middle of a discussion. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 17:31, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Both Plagueis and Vectivus existed, enough of this "we can't know anything for certain" postmodernist garbage. Vectivus spirit appears in the book, I think that more than anything points to the fact that in all probability, he was a living being, a Sith, and went by the name Darth Vectivus. Sidious recalls his own masters teachings in Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader, and Plagueis is mentioned in the NEC, and according to Lucas he was Sidious's master. This discussion should have never taken place. Now what she meant by being "fair" and "balanced" is ambiguous because any Sith at any given time either were devoid of all forms of morality, which many it was a gradual process, but each thought of themselves at some point as being fair and just, and that they were doing a greater good. From the spirit I gather that he was no different than other Sith. Lumiya learned alot from Sidious's manipulative methods, but she is simply not as crafty as Sidious was. In the end she seeks power just like every Sith. DarthMalus 14:42, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
        • Technically he could have been one of them Force illusions created by Lumiya, couldn't he? Oh, and lol @ the Sith being "fair and balanced" :-p ThrawnRocks 00:38, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Could have but probably not. Until a source says otherwise we can assume he was real.DarthMalus 01:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

name

Just to throw this is, "vectis" is latin for "lever". Perhaps an inspiration for the name "Vectivus".

I disagree, see my linguistics theory at the end of this topic. Prometheus 17:02, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

  • What does "lever" have to do with a Sith Lord? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 00:07, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
    • The story of Vectivus was the lever that got Jacen to turn over to the dark side I guess... or something like that *shrugs*
      • It's a good thought. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 11:23, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
        • According to my (albiet scant) research into this topic (consisting of using several free latin to english translators on the web) Vectivus is close to a latin root for "profit" or such... which would tie in with his supposed life as a ceo/administrator of a mining facility... of course, I could be far off base with this, as I have close to zero knowledge of latin and greek roots. SolusKad 00:58, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
  • His name is based on reproachful language?...Why can't the Legacy comics do thought provoking stuff like this? -- SFH 18:10, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
  • agreed. Jedi Dude
  • Lets not forget Darth Krayt. -- SFH 19:40, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
    • I was going to say him next, don't worry. ;) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 19:42, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
      • Nope. If the name suits them then it is perfect. Though I find it amusing that those who complain about name usually have a goofy name themselves. I mean no offense but Nebulax sounds like a laxative suppliment in the Star Wars galaxy. Badly name Sith, please...don't even start as I am sure you couldn't do much better. DarthMalus 13:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
  • why the hell does every argument about star wars around this wiki become personal?

and more often or not,for his fault or not Nebulax your often involved. In Some way. 'sighs' Jedi Dude

  • Uh, DarthMalus, I hope you realize that calling someone "a laxative suppliment in the Star Wars galaxy" could be considered a personal attack. My advice: Don't say it again. And FYI, I could come up with a better name than Darth Talon. Who couldn't? And Jedi Dude, could you possibly make that last statement a little clearer? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 20:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Tbh, i don't think it was meant as a personal assault. And as for Jedidude, i think he just means that wenever he tries to screw things up people like you are always there to revert the edit. Which he doesn't like. Jasca Ducato 20:39, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
      • Well, I was just saying that one could take it as a personal attack—which I did, because being called a laxative suppliment makes me want to punch someone. As for Jedi Dude, well, people always tend to get mad at me when I'm trying to do the right thing. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 20:44, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
  • to bad you never do the right thing. you just like to argue and you are more often then not in the wrong. this conversation is stupid. how lame is a "stupid name" discussion anyway? leave them be and move on. I think Malus was pointing out that in the end don't all of the star wars characters and members of wookiepedia have goofy names?

I am a linguist of sorts, the english word that you are looking for is VECTOR. Vector, as a medical term, is an organism that transmits a disease without being infected by said disease. This is supported by the story that Darth Vectivus was not corrupted by the Dark Side. You have no reson to take my word for it, I'm new to the WookieePedia, but check the facts before denouncing me. Prometheus 16:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I think that the "lever" inspiration is valid, but the whole "vector" thing seems to be a more likey inspiration. But I guess that is the work of the team behind the 'Legacy of the Force' series, they're almost as good as GL himself. Darth Tritus 17:24, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Physical Description

  • I noticed we hadn't put a physical description for him, and since they describe him rather well physically, should I add it in in a separate category or fit it into one of the others? --Sauron18 02:50, 15 June 2006

Succession

What's the source placing Vectivus after Millenial? Lonnyd 06:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I thought Milennial was given a very early date in Vader's book, and Vectivus only a "few centuries back" kind of date. I'm unsure, but I'll check in a bit. --Sauron18 02:00 23 June 2006 (CDT)

there is no succession box at the end of this article. MoffRebusMy Talk 10:58, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Bane's order

Can Vectivus really be considered part of Bane's order as he trained himself and was not heir to that lineage.-Darth Morder

  • Vectivus discovered the Dark Side powers of the Home on his own, but after he left it, he sought out the Sith, and apparently found them, as he returned to the Home as Sith Lord. Lonnyd 06:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Yeah But it is never specifically said what he found weather it was sith knowledge or a sith lord,and lumyia does say that he trained himself in the way of the sith so he definately wasnt someones apprentice.-Darth Morder
    • It's never explicitly stated that he is someone's apprentice, but he IS said to be of the line of Bane and Sidious. Lumiya said he trained himself in the dark side while on the asteroid. After he left the asteroid is stated that he searched out the Sith AND FOUND THEM. Please don't change the affiliation again. Lonnyd 18:17, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Ive just re-read that section and it is NOT Said the Vectivus is part of the rule of two, Lumyia says he goes out into the galaxy discovers the sith and trains himself in their ways returning to the asteroid as Darth Vectivus Its more likely he found a holocron or something, if he found the lords themselves they surley would have killed him as he would have been a threat to the rule of two, and lumyia specificaly says he apprentices himself in sith knowledge thefore he was not heir to the rule of two-Darth Morder
    • You said it yourself, he found the Sith. Case closed. Lonnyd 08:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
      • And don't come back with the argument that there was another group of Sith. That is major speculation which has no place here. Lonnyd 08:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Im not saying there was another group of sith what im saying is that NOWHERE in the book is said that he found the order of the sith lords so saying he is part of them is speculation. For all we no he found a sith holocron or spirit which is still technically the sith just not banes order which is never mentioned in the book.-Darth Morder
  • The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia states: "His code of ethics was well established, and he simply used his power to gather information and learn about Sith lore and the galaxy until he died of old age. Millennia later, the spirit of Darth Vectivus was discovered on the asteroid by Brisha Syo. Vectivus then revealed to Jacen Solo that he was something akin to a Force spirit and could control living beings to carry out his wishes." Is it ever explicitly stated that he was of Bane's Order of the Sith Lords? Because that "millennia later" would seem to contradict that. I'm gonna go ahead and remove Vectivus from the Bane's Order category since it seems pretty definitive that he is not part of it based on that quotation. BarringerSith Emblem 02:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
    • And Betrayal states that he is of the line of Sidious and Bane. TCSWE got that wrong as they did with Darth Cognus's gender. DarthMalus 17:04, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
      • Can you quote that? I remember nothing specifying Bane in Betrayal. He wasn't even mentioned. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 19:12, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Correct me if i'm wrong but doesnt millennia mean span of a thousand years? seeing as Lumyia discoverd the asteriod 40 odd years after the battle of Yavin Vectivus easily fits into the the thousand years between Bane and Sidious, in fact that quote proves that he WAS in Bane's order it just means he was one of the earliest ones probably Cognus's second apprentice. 86.133.98.12 08:01, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

  • In the novel he says "millenia ago." You are correct that a millenia is equal to 1000 years but saying it as "millenia ago" is the plural for, hence it was actually more than 1000 years hence so the timeline does not fit. If he had said "a millenia ago," his inclusion in the Rule of Two order of Darth Bane would be completely plausible. But he didn't, so it isn't. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 04:37, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
    • Can I point out that both Jedi Vs Sith and Betrayal place Vectivus in Bane's Order. A minor typo saying "millenia" instead of "a millenia" is not reason to exclude him from an organization that he is already established being part of. 86.133.98.12 12:06, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
      • He was not mentioned in JvS to mine or anyone's knowledge. Also, Darth Millenial was Darth Cognus's apprentice. I was wrong in my quote, he actually said "centuries" but centuries can mean any length of time. His inclusion in Bane's order is complete speculation and therefore it needs to stop being added. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 15:09, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
    • If he isn't part of Banes order than shouldn't his affiliation be simply Sith instead of Order of the Sith Lords? Steves490 17:28, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
      • I never said he was Cognus's second apprentice, just that the book proves he came sometime after her and therfore IS in Bane's order. 86.150.144.20 10:08, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
        • It does no such thing, he is not mentioned in JvS. As well, even if it establishes that he was after Cognus, it does not mean that he automatically joined the Rule of Two. He could be Dark Lord of another sect if that were true. Please stop adding speculation to this article. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 16:01, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Vectivus himself says he died centuries ago, as in hundreads of years beforehand. And there were no other Sith during that time, Bane saw to that. It's you who is delibrately removing canon info from the article, which is vandalism. 86.150.144.20 17:22, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

    • But the Dark Force werent true Sith, were they? I know they were founded by Millenial, but he himself was a heretic and he had not completed his training. I thought they were Dark Jedi. 86.150.144.20 17:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
      • They were a Sith sect all right. One does not need to complete his training as per Bane's rules to train others in Sith lore. Still, the Dark Force apparently did not continue the use of the title of Dark Lord, preffering the title of Supreme Prophet instead. Thus it is logical to assume that Vectivus was a member of Bane's order. Much more logical then to spread fanon about *yet another* Sith sect existing at the time. Yes NaruHina, I'm looking at you. Gorthuar 18:27, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
        • Exactly. There may have been sects and splinter factions but they werent true Sith. 86.150.144.20 18:40, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
          • This is irrelevant and no, I'm not spreading fanon. Whether he belonged to one of these sects does not change the fact that he was Dark Lord. I just brought it up as a counter argument; so I would ask you to actually read what I said, Gorthuar. If there is justifiable shadow over a disputed fact, it has no place on Wookeepedia. Period. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 01:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Umm, since in Betrayal Lumiya says that "Darth Vectivus enjoyed the architecture of Naboo and incorporated some of its building materials into his home away from home[..]", and we know that Naboo was colonized in 3900 BBY, we can deduce that Vectivus lived some time after that, I guess... Imperators II 10:02, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Fury spoilers about Vectivus...

In Fury, the New Sith Order, or One Sith, are discussing matters on Korriban and Darth Vectivus comes up. They reveal that the Holocron, Vectivus's holocron, that they gave to Alema was fake. They then declare that Vectivus's history was fradulent, but apparently his Force phantom technique was still beneficial to them. I'm not sure how to interpret it - apparently Vectivus existed, but he has no holocron known, and he was a fraud of something - maybe he wasn't such a good guy after all, or he wasn't a Sith? I dunno. --Danik Kreldin 19:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Not necessarily a fake. Alema, i believe says it is just filled with useless banking info. -Kalak Ragnose

No they refer to it as the "fake holocron" 60.234.202.7 07:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

  • The "fraud" bit could just be a jab at the Rule of Two Sith by the One Sith faction. They don't seem to hold each other in very high esteem the few times they have come into contact. SpartHawg948 08:57, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Darth Vectivius is a Fake Lord

Why would Darth Vectivus come back to a Jedi and ask her to kill him to save the lives of innocent billions? This proves he was a fake spirit created by Lumiya using the Force phantom ability. Also, she must have made his story up, since she used manipulation to turn Jacen Solo to the Dark Side. She could have learned the Force Phantom ability on her own. Also, it is not stated that Vectivus is Darth Cognus' second apprentice. For one thing, if he just completed his training and abandoned Cognus, she might have called him a pretender and taken a third apprentice. It would have said in a source "Darth Cognus took on a former bussinessman as her new apprentice, who was given the name of Vectvius." --Larry Young 04:48, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

  • That doesn't "prove" anything. Sith do many things that may seem contrary or confusing. We know that Lumiya did not make Vectivus' story up, since at the very least, the One Sith were aware of his existence--whether or not he was a "True Sith" may be up to debate, but they were independently aware. And you are correct, it is not stated that Vectivus is Cognus' second apprentice. It is stated that we do not know at all who Vectivus' master was, or when exactly he existed. It could have been Cognus. It could have been someone else completely. -Zekk_Skywalk 20:11, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

For the Love of God, please answer!

I need a answer to my previous question. --Larry Young 19:45, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

  • Wait more than a day. We're not here all the time. Chack Jadson (Talk) 19:52, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Proposed edit to personality and traits

"In many ways, Darth Vectivus was as close to being a "good" Sith Lord as possible, due to the fact that he did no evil. Though he was much more ruthless than the Jedi, his conversation with Dinn revealed that he believed in eradicating evil, unlike many other Sith Lords, who frequently committed atrocities to ensure their own dominance." This is derived from the rest of the article and general knowledge about Sith Lords (e.g. Sidious, Vader). Acceptable edit? Are citations needed? If so, how should I cite things?

  • I reverted this edit because it deals largely in moral suppositions, which is not the purpose of this page. Besides, all Sith Lords who commit atrocities tend to in order to realize a larger goal, or for the "greater good", so one could argue that no Sith Lords are truly "evil". And this leads to a debate that is largely irrelevant. Darth Adonis 18:23, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
    • In addition, this is a Featured Article. All unsourced and POV edits will be reverted to maintain article quality. - Cavalier OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 18:38, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Death

Since we all know now that Vectivus was part of the Order of the Sith Lords, can we say that he died around between 980 BBY and 169 BBY? It's appropriate to point out that he excited after Bane had died and before Plagueis was even born. We can narrow down the timeline, even if we don't know whether he died before or after Darth Gravid. Lord KOT (talk) 15:24, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Banite?

I've read everything this guy's been in, and afaik, no source actually said he was a Banite.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 02:45, December 26, 2014 (UTC)

Image source?

What is the source of the Darth Vectivus image? The image file details say it is from the 2008 Encyclopedia. However, there is no image by the Darth Vectivus entry (which is on page 298 of Volume 3). Likewise, the same Wookieepedia user added a Darth Cognus image, also citing that as being from the 2008 Encyclopedia, but likewise, the Darth Cognus entry in the encyclopedia has no image by the entry. Where are these images actually from?

Might his master be revealed in Disney Canon?

Could he have been the second apprentice of Darth Cognus? Could Disney reaffirm his canonicity? DarthJarJar27 (talk) 00:07, 1 August 2023 (UTC)