Talk: Darth Nox

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Do we even need this?

The article is non-specific to the extreme, and covers a game mechanism, not an actual Star Wars character. I highly doubt it should be included at all. Gorthuar 19:59, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

• I would suggest reserving judgement, as this may be the most viable option for depicting the events of the game. Much as the anonymous Spacers of Galaxies serve as a catch-all descriptor for the players, so too could an article for each class serve to frame the canonical in-game content. DD97^{Which bear is best?} 20:12, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Before the article was created it was brought up at WookieeProject The Old Republic and the project lead agreed that they warranted an article. Unlike the Spacer from Galaxies, the individual classes are characters - every bit as Revan and the Jedi Exile are; apart from their species the class-characters are as defined as the aforementioned (prior to their gender being made canon).

The Inquisitor for example: is brought to Korriban and follows a story that eventually makes him or her the apprtice of the Sith Lord Zash, and along his/her adventure s/he picks up various companions - such as Khem Val, the starship they fly is as unique to them as the Ebon Hawke was to Revan.

Considering that story is central to swtor, and it is BioWare developing - the classes are actual star wars characters. Alexsau1991 ^{(talk page)} 23:55, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Name (spoiler)

Once the game is released, I believe it should be renamed to Darth Nox, the name given to the character by the Dark Council.--Seth danny 23:45, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

• are you sure there aren't any other ways of it ending (without becoming a darth?).--Gboy4 00:08, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
  • Even as a light sider, I believe the final battle remains the same, and I don't think the character is in a position to deny the council at that moment. But more will be known after the release. I wanted to support the fact that the Sith Inquisitor is an actual character with a solid (and marvelous) story, not some random PC.--Seth danny 02:01, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
    • You get Darth Imperius if your neutral, and Darth Occulus if your light. We don't have a dev quote or canonical statement that Kallig was known as Darth Nox, so it shouldn't be changed. But it was most likely Darth Nox cause Kallig was probably dark-sided and evil.(Mattto123 09:09, May 14, 2012 (UTC))
      • I've just completed the Sith Inquisitor story line a few days ago. In fact, you get Darth Occlus if neutral. I have the screenshot with subtitle but I can't upload it.--Foxbite (talk) 17:29, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
        • Upload it through here and remember to fill in the gaps. Present a description, the license choose the Game screenshot, and in Source write this: Star Wars The Old Republic. Winterz (talk) 18:41, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
          • The system abuse my upload, screw the threshold. I've uploaded it to my personal web space http://sonance.com.tw/Foxbite/Darth_Marr_declares_Kallig_as_Darh_Occlus.jpg --Foxbite (talk) 09:47, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
            • Well that must be some sort of bug, because not only he meant 'Darth Occulus' but also Occulus sould be a "Grey Sith", therefore neutral. Check TOR's official site. Winterz (talk) 10:03, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

If this, why not others?

If we have a page about the Sith Inquisiter of the game, why not the others. Unidentified Jedi Knight and such?--Jet Twilights 03:25, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

• If you want to do it then by all means, I doubt anyone will mind and I think they all play notable roles but I don't know enough to do it myself.-Gboy4 01:48, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
  • I'm not the best at MAKING pages. I've never done it before, actually.--174.62.183.126 02:54, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Darth Nox

I've just learned in numerous videos on YouTube that after the Inquisitor defeats Darth Thanaton, he or she is given the name "Darth Nox." So I suggest that this article be moved to a more identifying name. Lord KOT 23:24, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

• The name is not always "Darth Nox" though. As a lightsider, the Inquisitor receives the name "Darth Occulus" and if neutral the name "Darth Imperius". Strenalis 00:27, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

It would still be an identifying name though. I remember a developer saying a while back that default Jedi choices were lightsided, default Sith choices were darkside and default Bounty Hunter/Imperial Agent/Smuggler/Trooper choices were neutral - an example being, in a group conversation fail to answer will automatically select say the dark side option if playing a Sith.

Not to say that I'm miss interpreting 'default' as 'canon', but then Revan and Meetra Surik's articles was written from a lightside perspective long before we knew what their canon fates were.

Failing that the 3rd option could be something like: Descendent of Kallig. Alexsau1991 ^{(talk page)} 20:29, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

Infact.. I think we should just move this article to: Kallig, since after defeating Zash, Aloysius Kallig states to the Inquisitor "you are Lord Kallig now." We can then have a {{Youmay}} header for those looking for Aloysius Kallig. Alexsau1991 ^{(talk page)} 00:48, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

• I'm with Alexsau on this one. We know that, regardless of alignment, upon becoming a Lord, the player is referred to as "Lord Kallig" by their ancestor. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 01:01, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

• Is it right to call Kallig as Darth Nox in the last part of Kallig's bio. It has not been stated whether or not Darth Nox is the canon name for Kallig. --Senjuto 14:26, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
• The article needs to be renamed to "Darth Nox." Kallig named the character "Kallig," which is the name the character bore until Darth Marr renamed the character "Darth Nox." That's the last name we see the character with, and the most prominent thenceforth.—Tommy 9281 Sunday, May 6, 2012, 08:00 UTC

I do agree, though despite Dark Side Darth Nox being default, both Darth Occulus and Darth Imperious are alternate titles received by those who go neutral or lightside. Making it difficult to choose one over the others. Alexsau1991 ^{(talk page)} 18:51, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

• I'll give this until this Sunday. If no valid arguments are presented that compel us to keep the article named Kallig, I'll be moving it to Darth Nox.—Tommy 9281 Thursday, May 10, 2012, 20:31 UTC
  • Alex, in case you haven't, read this CT. For now, we are operating under the assumption that the dark side options are canon for Imperial characters, so Occulus and Imperius are non-canon. Darth Nox is Kallig's correct title, and Kallig should be moved there because it is the latest title we have for the character. Isn't that in the naming conventions policy? Cade Calrayn 20:35, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
  • Hmm... If that's the case, I'll change it to Darth Nox on Korriban Sith Academy and other pages that I can find. (Mattto123 11:23, May 14, 2012 (UTC))

• It might be a bug, I'm not sure, but I've created at least 3 different Sith Inquisitor characters to check it out. I've gotten to Light V twice, but I did not receive Occulus or Imperius twice in a row. The 'neutral' Inquisitor I created recieved Imperius...perhaps it wasn't meant to be that way, but I guess it's something that BioWare hasn't really bothered to fix. Ifnsman (talk) 18:18, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Eye color

Eye color is decided by the player, and even if it wasn't, red is not the usual color for Dark side corruption. Rather, yellow would be the canonical Dark side color. Regardless, it's player-chosen. I reccomend that it be removed.The Wise One, Gnost-Dural himself!. The ability to speak does not make you intelligent. 16:11, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Nano keeps on insisting to leave the purple off, claiming that just because it is not permanent-permanent that it does not belong, but it has been used more than enough times in the story that is more than enough to leave it as it was and add it back to the page. Andrewh7 (talk) 20:21, 9 July 2022 (UTC) Andrewh7

• The infobox is meant to give readers a brief concept of the article subject. Listing the temporary purple-coloured eyes betrays the purpose of the infobox. Similarly, for dark side yellow/orange/red eyes, players have the option to disable cosmetics, so the eye colours for player characters should be treated as dependent on player choice, i.e. leave them out of the prose and only document in the BTS. This is compounded by the fact that all player characters are subject to the dark side points' affect on eye colour, and all Empire-aligned classes, including the Smuggler and Bounty Hunter classes, are assumed to make dark side choices contributing to said dark side points. Ultimately, I'm inclined to just ditch them. OOM 224 21:22, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Um actually Smuggler is Republic class, insert nerd emoji here-- Little Jiba3 July 12 2022

Non-Specific Pronouns or Two Persons for the price of One

I keep seeing "they" in places that describe Lord Kallig. [Redacted by administration] The problem with using "they" is that the article is now fairly ridiculous (Lord Kallig being more than one person). To remedy this, we should just pick a sex, change the pronouns, and leave it until something canonical comes up, because the alternative is having a nonsensical article. - Me (8:27 EST, 1/26/2012)

I'm not a native speaker of English, but I think we should not "pick a sex", beacause we have absolutely no right to chose for ourselves. By the way, it seems that the use of the "singular they" os acceptable and not "nonsensical" (the other wiki says: "The 2011 translation of the New International Version Bible utilizes singular they instead of "he" or "he or she", reflecting changes in English usage. The translators commissioned a study of modern English usage and determined that singular "they" ("them"/"their") is by far the most common way that English-language speakers and writers today refer back to singular antecedents such as "whoever, anyone, somebody, a person, no one, and the like.") LelalMekha 19:16, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

--168.156.1.178 20:04, February 6, 2012 (UTC)Should the missions to Nar Shaddaa, Balmorra, etc. be expanded on?

Why Dark Side assumption?

I'm just wondering why the article makes dark side assumptions. From what I've seen there are no canon facts that support either the dark or light side option for any of the characters. With the story turning out the same way in many of the cases I don't see a problem in writing neutral articles without assumption. If there is a reason for the assumption I'm just curious for what it is.--Raymasho 14:15, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

• Im' not the one who first came with this assumption but my guess is that: Sith are expected to behave... well, Sithly, and Jedi are expected to behave Jedily. This seems to be a rational and quite reasonable assumption, methinks. --LelalMekha 14:25, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
  • I'd have to disagree due to that several of the "dark side" options for the Jedi Consular for example are typical things that Star Wars in general involve the mainj character in. The best example would be the romance option which is something you gain dark side points for. Yet within nearly all Star Wars media Love plays an important role and it would seem foolish to dismiss it due to assumptions. I'm not saying that we should include the romance but simply that we should be careful when assuming dark or light when it comes to this game due to the rather odd results at times. --Raymasho 14:33, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
    • The assumptions stand as they are because they are the safest and most logical method of writing an article for a "player choice-based" character whose canon story is not yet revealed. This is not one-and-the-same as deciding the canon story, but rather presenting the most likely order of events while at the same time alerting the Wiki reader to other possibilities.--Master Dakari 07:54, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
      • See this consensus. Until TOR ends and we are given more information about the canon identities of the characters, we will follow what we have decided. Cade Calrayn 18:54, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
        • I wasn't aware that discussion took place, though I agree fully with the outcome. That being the case, shouldn't this be moved to Darth Nox. We can then make a clear case for writing the article with the Dark Side slant, with Lightside options clearly detailed in the behind the scenes section. Alexsau1991 ^{(talk page)} 19:26, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Picture

I added a picture of an inquisitor, as the Wrath has a own picture aswell. --ShenLong Kazama 15:22, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

Whilst I agree that an image could/should be added. The one you choose showed: A. the physical appearance of your character, B. a helmet that not all characters receive, ergo neither are canon.

I would recommend adding an image of the first mask that Kallig receives, and then cropping it close enough that the body is not displayed. Alexsau1991 ^{(talk page)} 20:48, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

Darth Nox

Yes I know you get Darth Nox when you become Dark Councilor, however nobody addressees you as that after Marr proclaims you like that. I don't remember my allies or servants calling my Lord Nox or anything. Also I realized that you get called "Kallig" or "Lord Kallig" multiple times in the storyline. I'm only basing on cutscenes I've seen on youtube, as my assassin is only level 28, almost 29. (Mattto123 11:57, May 14, 2012 (UTC))

• Since different alignments result in different Darth titles, the developers chose to have characters refer to the player as Kallig regardless of their alignment and other options. Fewer audio files, basically. But Nox is still canon - and the article is Darth Nox for the same reason that Jacen Solo's article is Darth Caedua. It's the latest title that we know Kallig receives. Cade Calrayn 12:02, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

• Caedus was deemed canon by novel. Nox isn't. Sorz but i'm sort of reluctant on this whole Nox thingy. True canon is where a canon statement quote thing is used. Could you tell me if someone other than Darth Marr calls you Nox? Also Jacen Solo used to be a Jedi, he sort of got redeemed in the end. Kallig is no jedi. By that logic, shouldn't Anakin Skywalker be called Darth Vader?
  • Anakin was redeemed, Caedus was not, an offical source titles the DS Inquisitor as Darth Nox, and no other title supplants it before the present endpoint of that character's storyline. Thus, things are exactly in line with site policy. No further confirmation or inquiry is necessary. DD97^{Which bear is best?} 19:49, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
• So by that logic, Dooku's page should be renamed as "Darth Tyrannus" because if you read the ROTS novel, he doesn't get redeemed, he dies of fear, he's last thought is "Treachery is the way of the Sith". So he dies with the feeling of fear and the feeling of betrayal. (Mattto123 22:20, May 14, 2012 (UTC))
  • Interestingly, logic isn't the overriding concern here, but adherence to site policy. Fortunately, we have an entire page devoted to our naming policy you can peruse to satisfy your curiosity. In short, circumstances unique to Anakin, Dooku and Caedus respectively each necessitate that their articles be named accordingly. DD97^{Which bear is best?} 04:16, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
  • Also, what's the "offical source". Don't tell me it's wookieepedia. (Mattto123 22:27, May 14, 2012 (UTC))
    • Are you serious? It's The Old Republic, you yourself attest so at the beginning of this very topic. DD97^{Which bear is best?} 04:16, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
  • I'm not going to say a lot more right now, my assassin is only level 29 so i'll wait and see. But i'm going through another video to check it for now. (Mattto123 06:12, May 15, 2012 (UTC))
  • Actually, I've just watched another video and it mentions Darth Nox. So sorry if i caused any unnecessary inconvenience. (Mattto123 06:16, May 15, 2012 (UTC))
    • It's fine. Your questions are far more productive than other people's... just look at this. :P Cade Calrayn 14:23, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
      • Yeah, I saw that already. (Mattto123 06:39, May 16, 2012 (UTC))

Where was it said, that darkside is canon???

Dark side

It just like the player plays, and if we say darkside is canon, we create our own canon, but that isn't that what this page are for...

• See this consensus track. Cade Calrayn 22:58, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
  • I dont think we can realy vote about it. That is faon not canon. We must wait for something official... What is if the Canon say at the end, Darth imperius is canon, the Sage wars darkside nd so on ... a vote doesn't make sense—Unsigned comment by 94.219.101.194 (talk • contribs)
    • In the meantime, the vote does make sense. The article says: "The events in this section may or may not be confirmed as canon." We're not asserting what we have written is absolutely right, we've just chosen the best option available until the "Word of God" is given to us. The community has decided, and there are no grounds for contest. Please also sign your comments with four tilde, whether you have an account or not. --LelalMekha 16:03, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Gender

What is the canonical gender of Darth Nox. Someone made the page refer to Nox as a male, yet we weren't told yet by Leland what the gender is for Darth Nox and the Emperor's Wrath. --Senjuto 21:56, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

• Yes, you're right. The occurrences of he/him/his should be changed to they/them/their. --LelalMekha (talk) 21:58, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
  • My bad, thanks for changing it. Winterz (talk) 23:34, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

I hope Nox and the Wrath are both male, fits better into the story in my opinion. --ShenLong Kazama (talk) 16:38, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Main image

Why don't we use the image of Kallig's Countenance for Darth Nox's main image? We know (s)he gets it in the main quest, and is an important item to them, and we did something similar with the Emperor's Wrath. Just my 2 cents.--ARC Commander Colt (talk) 01:26, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

• We have no idea if he's supposed to use his ancestor's mask or not, but I don't think he is. The council seat is fine for now. Winterz (talk) 02:14, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
  • The clear indication in the game is that the player does indeed receive the mask (you have to) and uses it during the duel with Zash. It would be an acceptable main image. I have one that I'll upload to test out. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 02:21, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
    • Yeah, in the conversation with Aloysius Kallig, he says to reclaim his mask so you can stand against Zash. The implication is that you took it so you could wear it—thus I believe it's acceptable to use an image, as Trayus said.--ARC Commander Colt (talk) 02:23, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
      • Argh, I still didn't got that far. My bad. Winterz (talk) 02:32, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Image

As stated above, I believe we should use Kallig's Countenance for an image, rather than a council seat. It would provide a more acceptable image for Nox. I mean, the one we have now is just a chair, with someone about to sit with it. Look at the comparison and decide. Weirdo Guy (talk) 04:07, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

• Read conversation above. You may add it, but remember to leave a summary explaining why. And that's Darth Nox's seat on the council, one of the few things that is guaranteed. Winterz (talk) 09:26, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
• I endorse the image change. If the issue remains resolved by this coming Sunday without the image having been changed, I'll do it myself.—Tommy 9281 Friday, October 12, 2012, 11:35 UTC
• I support the change, too. --LelalMekha (talk) 11:45, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

New Picture

Added a new picture which should please everybody. --ShenLong Kazama (talk) 21:21, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

The new picture has the top cropped of of it, the previous image was fine. Alexsau1991 ^{(talk page)} 00:34, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Actually it wasn't. The previous one clearly shows a male body with extended shoulders. Now this one's perfect. EDIT: Argh I was watching after Alex's edit. They're both decent enough but I guess Alex's has better quality so just leave it be now. Winterz (talk) 00:41, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Removed the picture because it was clearly female. The gender has not been confirmed so better no picture until we got confirmation. --ShenLong Kazama (talk) 10:54, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

There was nothing clear about the gender of that image. I replaced it, this is the image we will be using until we have something more conclusive.' This is the only warning for future editing: change or removal of the current image by anyone will result in a block of that individual.—Tommy 9281 Tuesday, October 23, 2012, 11:05 UTC

Gender confirmed?

I got the TOR encyclopedia and the inquisitor and warrior were portrayed as male, shouldn't we update it? --ShenLong Kazama (talk) 13:55, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

• IIRC Cade asked one of the writers about it on Twitter and was informed that the player models seen in the Encyclopedia were not to be taken as confirmation. — DigiFluid^{(Whine here)} 13:59, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Born a slave or Sold into Slavery

In a conversation with A. Revel, Nox mentions that he/she shot an imperial officer, and that he/she was originally sentenced to death, but they decided to make them a slave instead. Its just one option, but it at least proves that Nox may not have been born a slave. So, perhaps we remove the part about he/she being born a slave?--Jet Twilights (talk) 14:36, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

That's only possible is she/he is full dark side. I think they were making it up like Revel was with the accountant thing.--Mike Gilbert 01:17, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

I know I'm like a decade late, but when getting the helmet, the guy called my character 'a Zabrak CRIMINAL' when laughing at me saying that 'Yeah that helmet actually belongs to me great-great-great grandpa.' I'm not sure if it's the fact I busted into his house to steal a hat or actually to do with Nox's past, but considering the context I'm inclined to go with the latter. -- Little Jiba3 July 10 2022

is it only inquisitor zyn who says you were raised a slave? —Unsigned comment by 45.86.203.198 (talk • contribs)

Relationships?

Can we add relationships to this article and the other SWTOR protagonist articles? I know romances are game mechanics and fall under BTS, but I mean the personal relationships with all the companions. In the Revan article for example it talks about his relationship with Canderous Ordo. Also I think this has been done with the Hero of Tython article. Would it be acceptable here?--Shneb (talk) 04:55, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea.--Mike Gilbert 01:17, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

New Update on 01:36, April 23, 2013 by Shadowblade777

What's with all the empty spaces? Right after the section labeled "The Search for Tulak Hord's remaining artifacts" there is "Balmorra Nar Shaddaa Kallig's Countenance Tatooine Alderaan Kallig's scorching lightsaber"

And then after the "Taris" section there is the "Hoth" section and there is nothing in the Hoth section. Also in the "Belsavis" section of the article there is barely anything stated there except "On Belsavis, Kallig retraced Iratus' steps and discovered a Rakatan device that stabilized their body." In "Continued Travels" the "Section X" section and "Makeb" section are also blank.

And just a question. Would the "Continued Travels" section be deemed canon, due to the fact none of the missions on any of those planets are not really considered class missions that have a Story to tell per class? Someone please respond. -LuiB1123^{When will you fools learn? No one escapes from Commander Fox.} 21:13, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

The Name

Hello, i'm from the german Star Wars - Wiki Jedipedia.de and we've also this article Darth Nox but with a different name. In the online game The Old Republic exist overall three names for the Sith-Inqisitor:

• Darth Nox if you decided to play for the dark side
• Darth Ocultus if you play neither light nor dark
• Darth Imperius if you play for the bright side

In our Wiki we decided to make the name Ocultus because this name is neutral. We know that this is a lot of work but this name Ocultus sounds more correct as Darth Nox. We ask that you re-check the name again and would appreciate an answer. With affectionate regards: -- Jedi-Gesandter Solorion Darsai (Diskussion) 13:44, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

There's a CT regarding the issue of alignment on TOR characters, but basically the gist of it is that if you play as a Dark Side character, then it is assumed you take the most Dark Side path possible for 100% completion. If you play Light Side, you go for the most Light Side path possible. In this case, it appears that since "Darth Nox" is attained if the player is playing a completely 100% Dark Side campaign, then under our policy, it is the most "canon" path. Hope that clears things up. - Sir Cavalier of One^{(Squadron channel)} 13:52, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

This sounds way to much like the sith inquisitor gameplay of swtor

Gender?

SPOILERS:

I think that Nox should be classed as Female. The whole ritual with Zash would be silly if she was trying to get into a body of a male. She wants to carry on living so she would pick a female to join her soul to. —Unsigned comment by 86.144.52.254 (talk • contribs)

• Unless a reliable source states Nox's gender, it will remain blank. Otherwise, it would be speculation and, in fact, fanon. Trip391 (talk) 15:04, October 27, 2013 (UTC)

Makeb

Just a question, why isn't there a story line related to makeb or oricon, CZ 198 or others, Ilum got its quest?

109.130.207.54 19:16, November 18, 2013 (UTC) Nemesis

Quote

When do they say they are master of the dead?--Mike Gilbert 01:18, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

So, why is BTS so bare?

We are so dedicated to presenting facts on this wiki, that I have to wonder; why is the Behind-The-Scenes section lacking in the Neutral and Light-side options for this hcaracter and many others?

Yes, I am aware of the (foolish, but that's neither here nor there) reason for the general Dark Side assumption, but that does not mean that a light-side and neutral section should not be written for this, and other articles. Just as Dark Side options should be written for the "good guys".

I would do it myself, but over my six years of contributions, I have suffered nothing but abuse from the management of this site. So I'll be glad to pount your your mistakes, but I am tired of cleaning them up only for my efforts to be reverted and plagiarized by some "moderator". 203.217.78.41 11:44, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

• There are over 10,000 articles here, and new ones are created every day. Are you really asking why what you care for isn't top priority? I would have tackled Nox's article myself, but I really haven't found the time. (Besides, I haven't had the occasion to play any of the recent SWTOR updates.) Also, calling other people's decision "foolish" and complaining about how mean they have been to you is hardly the right way to get them to do your bidding. --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 11:52, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
  • While I do agree with you (meaning user 203.217.78.41) in terms of the use of a "dark side assumption," since we have no evidence on its canonicity, I agree with Lela in how you went about it. You could have "expressed your travesties" in a more appropriate manner. I've had some of my edits reverted in the past, but it was nothing worth complaining about. The mods here know what they're doing. I say this from a standard user's perspective, and many of the edits that I make here, due to the moderators' setting the example of the kind of edits that they are expecting and the way in which they go about things, have been done in the manner correlating to the standards in which they expect. Instead of complaining about it, why don't you take the initiative and actually make the edit itself and see what happens, while staying within the site guidelines? Personally, I have always viewed Nox as a neutral female with a dark side ending due to my portrayal of her in the game, but the canon of my play through, just like that of everyone's of said character, is ambiguous, despite all of the playthroughs of the character being equally valid interpretations. Still though, we have no way of knowing, and we will most likely never know, until some hypothetical material comes out confirming what the canon story is. Until then, we have logical assumptions that we HAVE to make. If you feel that the moderators are being unfair if they do, in fact, revert your edits, simply ask questions as to why they would do such. They have their reasons, so why don't you simply try to understand rather than go around redressing your "travesties?"

Darth Ravigious (talk) 14:15, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Building A Power Base

In Chapter Two, Lord Vash sends you to Nar Shaddaa where she has already done the preliminary actions to welcome your arrival and aid your mission.

The player is given many Light Side, Dark Side, or grey choices and these choices affect how the other support characters react and act to the player's character. Basically the player can be a Light Side prophet that is loved, or a Dark Side demigod that is feared.

During my initial playthrough I stuck to the Light Side rather consistently, and so I don't know if you can actually switch during the journey, so to speak.

I have searched online for mention of when Moff Pyron sends you back to Nar Shaddaa to get a CN-12 chip that is critical and exceedingly expensive {through role play instead of the character's 'credits'} for a superweapon. However, there is little to no mention of what the 'consequences' are for your choices.

Therefore I hope others add their experience as I am about to for [Building A Power Base Part II].

There is only really event that matters and that is when you meet the trio that are the "Veil". Their a bunch of cyborgs that are on par with Darth Skotia for level of mechanical parts. They talk funny and as a collective.

They took over the CN-12 industry because they want you to make them the new leaders of your cult. Basically they want to replace Rylee Dray and Destris Veran, because they keep referring to the cult still helping 'you', They say what they want is to expand your cult past the Nar Shaddaa starsystem and make it galactic.

My choice was to agree to their deal... for now?

The consequence of this choice is Rylee and Destris both being very upset. Kallig has an option to kill Destris and get some Dark Side points. However, I chose the positive option of just ignoring his belligerence.

I apologized for forcing the change on them but assured them that Veil will undoubtedly want their help if they are willing, thereby they still maintain a position within the leadership.

Rylee begs me to leave before Destris does something I am unable to ignore and gets himself killed.

Is there any future effect of the new religion that Lord Kallig holds? I hope so because I think this is one of the best parts of the story. Much better than the "apprentice" you get. There failed to be any option to 'reject' the idiotic Xalik, just three flavors of the game forcing my toon to fawn over him.

The goal is to replace a cadre of followers that Lord Vash built and Thanaton murdered. It would be monumentally more appropriate for them to show Lord Kallig say the top three of six or nine with me picking one to follow me on board my ship and relay to the others, such as a lieutenant.

--Witkh 13 (talk) 02:34, April 13, 2016 (UTC)

Darth Imperius as a "canon" name?

As some of you may know, with the release of KotFE, the new lvl 60 token has been introduced. It allows player to start KotFE storyline with character who never finished acts I - III, which also means that all the choices from previous missions are set to default for every 60-lvl created class. If you create Inquisitor, the very first character you meet calls you Darth Imperius, not Darth Nox. I think this is enough of a proof to ultimately determine "canon" name of this character.

87.205.133.41 10:20, April 27, 2016 (UTC)Caedus

Character's name and gameplay alternatives

I think this article and all the other TOR character articles should be rewritten to be more neutral and not include the player's choices. Darth Nox is not by any means a canonical title of the character and can differ depending on the person playing. Newest articles on for example The Commander from Knights of the Fallen Empire aren't written from a dark side or light side perspective. Instead, they just give the confirmed story that happens regardless of the choices made by the player.

I think in this case we should remove all the players' choices and switch the character's name from Darth Nox to a confirmed title which would be either Kallig or Kallig's descendant.

• As a imperial character is assumed that all Imps characters make DS options as the Pub characters make LS options. It's a concensus of the community --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 15:29, March 27, 2017 (UTC)
  • Assuming is completely unnecessary here. Dark side choices aren't any more valid for Imperial characters than light side. Removing the unconfirmed choices will be a huge benefit, streamlining the articles, focusing only on the confirmed events. Wookiepedia articles should only focus on confirmed events. Assuming a perspective is nothing more than fanon and is most importantly, unnecessary. The article won't lose anything by removing the unconfirmed parts. Making it more universal is nothing but a good thing. --TheFunnyExpert (talk) 15:42, March 27, 2017 (UTC)
    • Here's the concesus that was made [1]--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 15:48, March 27, 2017 (UTC)
      • The consensus was made back in 2012 and I would consider it given all the changes done to TOR over the years for all intents and purposes, obsolete. The Old Republic no longer focuses on class stories streamlining all factions to a single story arc and thus requires the articles to be written from a neutral point of view (see The Commander, Arcann). --TheFunnyExpert
        • But given that when you create a level 60 or 65 character, the default alignment choices made before KOTFE are dark for Imperial classes and light for Republic classes, the consensus is far from obsolete. --Rakhsh (talk) 16:41, July 25, 2017 (UTC)
          • Seeing as the game now defaults your title to "Darth Imperius" if you level-boost an inquisitor to 60 for Knights of the Fallen Empire, would it not be best to go with that instead as of now? --Lestroisrois (talk) 22:56, May 31, 2018 (UTC)
            • By level-boost, I assume you mean skipping the class missions and beginning KOTFE? --Rakhsh (talk) 01:32, June 1, 2018 (UTC)
              • Indeed I do, Rakhsh. By the nature of the system for the game, which skips the quests but still selects an outcome from them (after all, the title is determined by your alignment, and the outcomes you choose alter the resultant alignment unless you actively grind to negate it), the developers chose the title of Imperious as the default. As such, would it not make the most sense to use the same default in this article? --Lestroisrois (talk) 21:18, July 2, 2018 (UTC)