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Contents

  • 1 Confused
  • 2 Darth Krayt?
  • 3 The Man Who Does/Doesn't Exist
  • 4 Where did this Quote Appear?
  • 5 Rank?
  • 6 Sith name?
  • 7 Sith Lord succession box
  • 8 Is Jason evil or not?
  • 9 Quote issue
  • 10 Krayt's master
  • 11 Appearances
  • 12 5.2 Factual correction - Events during "Traitor"
  • 13 Lightsabre
  • 14 Quote
  • 15 duel visions

Confused

  • I'm confused. What actually happening between Luke and Jacen. He's fallen to the darkside but i keep reading that Luke distrusts him, he was in the Jedi Temple and stuff like that. What happening? Jasca Ducato Sith Council (Sith campaign) 19:43, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
  • i'm confused how the GFFA would approve a sith at the leader of their secret police... —Unsigned comment by 151.204.195.30 (talk • contribs)
  • They don't know he's a Sith. --Sauron18 01:47, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
    • But Luke does. Jaina SoloGoddess Stuff20px 00:28, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Luke doesn't know Jacen has expressed interest in becoming a Sith Lord, he only knows Jacen is starting to turn to the Dark Side. Big difference. QuentinGeorge 06:28, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Sounds eerily familiar... hmmm, let me change around some names: "Obi-Wan doesn't know Anakin has expressed interest in becoming a Sith Lord, he only knows Anakin is starting to turn to the Dark Side." Oh, f*p! Holy crap! Oy! It's really scary... does anyone else here hear the "Imperial March" slowly creeping up on you? Adas Xendor 19:40, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Darth Krayt?

  • I'm just putting this up because I saw it so many times on the Darth Krayt talk page, but... is it really meant to be? Are the writers of Legacy planning to make Jacen Solo... Darth Krayt?
I don't know, but I'd like to hear it from you, the GFFA's loyal fans. MTFBWY. Adas Xendor 00:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
    • 121 years old in 130 ABY. Definetely stasis or something for that to be. -Finlayson 14:03, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Darth Krayt is known to have gone into stasis, IIRC. So it seems likely. There is the date discrepancy for when he founded his Sith order, but I would imagine that can be resolved (maybe a retcon is needed, I don't know). The problem I see is that this leaves the Legacy series kind of strangely off, without a good conclusion for his Sithiness besides "goes into stasis" (as opposed to, say, leads a rebellion or is redeemed or...) Greedo 17:57, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Thank you for responding! I'm overjoyed to receive posts, and I hope you write more. Now, I'll just let you alone to talk... MTFBWY! Adas Xendor 22:36, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
        • I don't think it will be Darth Krayt, unless Krayt changes his name to just that. The only reason I say this is that I just noticed an article on www.starwars.com today saying that online users can enter a drawing to come up with the new Sith name in the upcoming book "Sacrifice," and I can only assume that it's for Jacen. It was a good idea, though, considering that Darth Krayt does go into some kind of stasis.—Unsigned comment by Augie Ben Doggie (talk • contribs)
  • Darth Krayt and Jacen are completely different individuals. Look up the Darth Who contest. There is a contest going on right now were registered members of starwars.com can vote on Jacen's Sith name. 159.250.23.2 14:31, 6 February 2007 (UTC) OR Darth Metus 14:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Even though it is highly unlikely I do believe that Jacen could become Darth Krayt, because they in some of their quotes shar some of the same statements, like "Sometimes things have to be broken to be rebuilt" even though this is almost impossible, If I were given a choice of which Sith in the Legacy Era Jacen becomes I would say Darth Krayt. Derek Yoda's friend 03:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Ben has sparring vong armor and also darth krayt has vong armor .189.149.104.217 02:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)Camar skywalker
  • True we cannot completely rule out Ben as people in the star wars universe can lie, in this case Kray claims he is 121 year sold but it isn't necessarily true.After i discovered a few events, I think he is even mor eprobable than Luke to turn to the dark side because of one event that i cannot reveal because it is a spoiler.Darth Rayze 23:03, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
  • i konw that fact 189.149.104.217 22:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)Camar Skywalker
  • We can't rule out Luke either.For those who read Betrayal, Lumiya used a power that allowed her to create Force Ghosts that could fight other living beingds or communicate with other living beings.Luke may have learned the same power turned to the Dark Side taking the name Krayt using this power to influence his newest descendant with his own image as the Force Ghost.You never knowDarth Rayze 14:23, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Luke is dead as of Legacy. It has been confirmed by John and Jan. - Sikon 18:13, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

The Man Who Does/Doesn't Exist

I was wondering, why is there no place in this article for the Sith Jacen which keeps on flow walking around in Betrayal? --Sauron18 20:26, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Also, I was wondering if we had an article for Lumiya's illusions as well. I know "Sith Jacen" wasn't one of them, but still.--Sauron18 20:32, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Where did this Quote Appear?

"Sometimes things must be broken in order to be rebuilt" - Jacen Solo

Where is it from? I think I might've read it and forgotten, but it is identical to one of Krayt's quotes, so I'm not sure if I read and forgot it, or if someone sneaked it in....--Sauron18 20:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Never mind, I found it --Sauron18 20:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Where is it from? I'd be interested to know.—Unsigned comment by 141.195.151.93 (talk • contribs)
      • It's from the Tempest excerpt in the Bloodines novel. Jaina Solo(Goddess Stuff) 22:53, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
        • Well, if they both said it... that is a very exciting link between the two. This may lend creedence to the Krayt is Jacen theory. - Breathesgelatin 03:25, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
          • Sorry guys, I've been checking both the excerpt in Bloodlines and the novell Tempest itself, this quote is nowhere to be seen, from Jacen or anybody else. I remove it. --Petiflo 10:11, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
            • How can we trust you? You've only relied on excerpts from the novel and, apparently, a bad English dictionary. I'll replace it. Sir You Know My Name, N.K.-S.R.T. 20:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
              • Jaina Solo said it was in the excerpt in Bloodlines but it sure isn't, and when this quote was added Tempest wasn't out yet, all we had was the excerpt in Bloodlines so if this quote is actually somewhere else in Tempest, how could anyone knew it at the time? Well, I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt because I'm not 100% sure. I will go through Tempest again to check. Anyway... How is my english relevant in this matter? I cannot be trusted because I don't speak -sorry, don't write- perfect english? How does that make sense? And how can you be trusted? Do you know where the quote appears? I bet you do since it seems you saw it in Tempest yourself (otherwise why would you claim it is?), just tell me the page then, I will see that I'm wrong and apologize. In the meantime I'm 90% sure this quote isn't in the book, but like I said, I'll check again, and if someone else could check too (you never know I can still say I didn't saw it but be lying about it can't I?) that would surely be very helpfull. --Petiflo 04:42, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Rank?

Did Jacen become a Jedi Master before he fell? Or was he just a Knight? --Jedi Striker 18 September 2006, 23:41 (UTC)

As of the end of Bloodlines he remains a Knight, but there are calls to promote him. YIIMM 06:23, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

  • I was wondering cuz it says in Ben Skywalker's article that Jacen was his Jedi Master. If that's not the case, I'll make the change in Ben's article. i just wanted to be sure. --Jedi Striker, 4:17, 01 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Well Jacen is not officially Ben's Master but into Ben's mind, he definetelly is. --Petiflo 14:01, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
      • It strikes me that everyone misspells "definitely". - Sikon 03:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
        • I think some of the confusion comes from the liner notes on the back cover of the Legacy of the Force: Bloodlines novel. It says "Jacen, now a complete master of the Force, has his own plans to bring order to the galaxy." I think many confuse his mastery of the Force with him being a Jedi Master. Chervil 03:17, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
        • Hmmm, could be we have another Jedi who assumed the rank of Jedi Master? Jedi Striker 16:27, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
          • No, he didn't. As far as he is concerned he is just a Knight and not so much eager to be a Master (to be more accurate he sees himself more like a Sith now, not even a Jedi). Ben alone sees Jacen as his "Master". --Petiflo 18:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Sith name?

What's his Sith name? What comes after the Darth?--Chili14 03:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

  • This has not been revealed. If I recall correctly, Lumiya has told him he will not receive a Sith name until he has completed his initiation into the Sith order by destroying the thing he loves most. - Breathesgelatin 04:09, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
    • It's pobably a name that will mean something or a name describing his character like Vader which meant father. Jaina Solo(Goddess Stuff) 22:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

In Insider #90 is says the fans get to choose by going to darthwho.com but it doesn't work. User:Hodayc

  • Probably just not set up yet. - Breathesgelatin 02:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
  • It works now. http://www.starwars.com/darthwho --72.65.153.66 00:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
    • It doesn't. Jaina Solo(Goddess Stuff) 00:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Oops, try it now. http://www.starwars.com/darthwho --Rune Haako 00:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
  • But i can't give my sith name. How do i do that? User:Hodayc
    • Thanks it works. Jaina Solo(Goddess Stuff) 00:21, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Grr, what happened to Darth Krayt?! Greedo 06:38, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
    • He went on to better things, like taking over the galaxy and abolishing the Rule of Two. (A terrible decision BTW) 159.250.23.2 14:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC) OR Darth Metus 14:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Jacen's Sith name is here and there all over this site. The notice of pages with Sacrifice spoilers will quickly lead to it. SithGirl132 21:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
    • here's a question then... it's pronounced "SEE-dus," right? Because of the latin root? Staypuft9 05:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
      • Dunno actually. I was reading it as "Cay-dus" myself. --School of Thrawn 101 05:33, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Sith Lord succession box

Are we putting this back now that TOS has confirmed Jacen is getting a Sith name in Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice? StarNeptuneTalk to me! 00:14, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

  • I say wait until he actually gets the name when the book comes out... - breathesgelatinTalk 15:04, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Along with this idea, shouldn't we drop the Sith Character Info Box as well, until he becomes a full fledged Sith, he is still a member of the Jedi, and Galactic Republic at this point, just a thought N.Y.N.E.Comlink 04:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Is Jason evil or not?

  • I'm curious as to people's opinions in this. Is he really acting for the greater good, or is he letting the dark side corrupt him so he only thinks he is? Up until he killed Ailyn Vel, I was sure he was still 'good', just doing what was needed, but after this, I'm starting to think he really will become totally dark. Do you think he'll come out good in the end...? Adas Xendor 16:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Who's Jason? Besides, talk pages are meant to discuss the article, not the article subject. For the latter, you may consider TFN. - Sikon 17:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Yes, Jacen Voorhees is evil. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Anyway, all joking aside, Jacen has definitely done some pretty evil things, and is also on his way toward becoming a Sith Lord, which would, in my opinion, make him undeniably evil. But then again, like his grandfather Anakin, I can't necessarily see Jacen remaining evil. —Unsigned comment by Augie Ben Doggie (talk • contribs)
    • I must be the only one who thinks Lumiya/Vergere actually have a point... Greedo 15:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Both Lumiya and Vergere may have a point in terms of what they said about Darth Vectivus, but look at the things Jacen is doing. —Unsigned comment by Augie Ben Doggie (talk • contribs)
        • It comes down to utilitarianism; if his visions of the future are correct, his path is a tradeoff that probably is worth it (at least so far). Truly, what is the death of a few (even those close to him), the imposition of overstrict martial law, etc. compared to galaxy-wide chaos? Sure his acts may be evil in the sense that a Dungeons & Dragons detect evil spell would verify, but in this world it's much more grey. (For the record I am partially playing devil's advocate, but I really do like the addition of moral ambiguity and the twisting of Jacen's character to Star Wars.) Greedo 07:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
        • I totally agree, Greedo.....I'm actually shocked that someone besides me thinks that he's still basically on the right tack. He's doing bad things, but he has to. DawnStrike 20:05, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
          • I'm not saying it isn't possible. But after having seen one character after another fall prey to the lies of the Sith, I'm just not holding out much hope. My current vision of Jacen is of him becoming the next Vader. —Unsigned comment by Augie Ben Doggie (talk • contribs)
  • He's doing bad things, but he has to...That's what Palpatine told Anakin and Luke. -- SFH 02:51, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Exactly. And as far as visions go, Anakin also had visions of Padmé dying, and as such, did what he thought he needed to do to save her. In the end, he was the one who made the visions come true. The same could possibly be said of what Jacen is doing; his attempt to save the galaxy may ultimately doom it. —Unsigned comment by Augie Ben Doggie (talk • contribs)
  • To quote several million people: "He could be being harsh, to be kind." Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 12:46, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I have to agree, he is taking the path of Anakin, but FOR GOODNESS' SAKE, if this is going to be Ep. 3 all over again, I WILL NEVER READ Star Wars literature again. Jacen deserves to have his own story, not his tacky grandfather's. DawnStrike9:58, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Believe me; originally, it would have been much tackier had the writers had their way. In The New Jedi Order: Star by Star, Jacen was supposed to have died, and Anakin was taken in by Vergere. Eventually, Jacen's current story would have been Anakin's. EEEK! Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 05:51, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Scary. .... 06:47, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
        • Yes, Thefourdotelipsis; very scary. I'm glad GL put a stop to it. Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 01:09, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
          • That would have been the prequel trilogy all over again. Jaina Solo(Goddess Stuff) 01:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
            • Yes, and I'm sure Lucas didn't want that. :P Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 00:37, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
              • Well, at least LOTF is about Jacen learning from Anakin's mistakes, not repeating them. .... 00:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
                • Which, if the Legacy boys have their way, will be completely flushed down the crapper. Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 01:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
                  • And I mean COMPLETELY FLUSHED DOWN THE CRAPPER. Responses, anyone? Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 19:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
                    • Anyone? Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 22:08, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
                      • HELLO-O-O? Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 23:15, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
                        • WHY HASN'T ANYONE RESPONDED?!?! Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 04:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
                          • Perhaps because talk pages are for discussing changes and edits to articles, not to discuss opinions about novels, storylines, etc. A better place for such discussion would be on a messageboard like theforce.net's forums. - breathesgelatinTalk 07:38, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
                            • Because nobody cares? Greedo 21:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
                              • Maybe he's not truly evil, but he certainly is truly stupid. He should've just flow-walked (weeeee!) back a few more times until he got to Palpatine's "safe and secure" speech - lalala_la
                                • I concur, but Lumiya brainwashed him into believeing the Dark Side could be the galaxy's salvation and that Palps was a fool (not disagreeing, just that he wouldn't put much faythe into seeing Palps act a fool, and thus redeem himself. Tenel Ka and Allana will either save him or perhaps Tenel Ka may end up killing him, reference Dark Journey.) Darth Balls 16:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
                                  • Well, that wouldn't be interesting. :( Sir You Know My Name, N.K.-S.R.T. 04:31, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Quote issue

In the article i had a problem with the quote being in there " you'll be the man your grandfather wasnt" "we'll see" cause in the book betrayel thats not how the quote was written it was written with almost a full paragrahp in between when he answered we'll see he was not refering to her saying the thing about him being better then his grandfather it was about something else that i can not remeber off the top of my head. So i think someone should remove the quote from the article if no one has any objections 69.26.85.90 03:54, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Krayt's master

Okay I have an idea. Could he be Krayt's master? —Unsigned comment by 66.82.9.85 (talk • contribs)

  • I dont think that he could be his master cause in tempest lumiya hints that she knows that there are other sith out there so it makes it sound like drath krayt's already around 69.26.85.156 22:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Realy? I haven't read the series yet so I don't know what's going on. —Unsigned comment by 66.82.9.61 (talk • contribs)
  • Where did you here this? Sir You Know My Name, N.K.-S.R.T. 04:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Yes, there are more Sith around, as confirmed by Lumiya in Tempest. However, don't forget that LotF and Legacy are two separate products, and crossovers will likely be limited only to little mentions such as that, not using characters exclusive to either series. Besides, the Sith are already around, so why would Krayt need a Master? - \\Captain Kwenn// — Ahoy! 15:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Appearances

  • Troy Denning Confirmed that Jacen is going to be in Inferno so I am gong to go ahead and add it.Darth Solus 02:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
    • How do you know this? Are you Troy Denning? Sir You Know My Name, N.K.-S.R.T. 04:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
      • He said so in an interview.Darth Solus 00:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
        • Which one? Are you sure'? Sir You Know My Name, N.K.-S.R.T. 00:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
          • I posted the link on the Inferno page.Darth Solus 15:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

5.2 Factual correction - Events during "Traitor"

Hello there, I've just been reading the article about Jacen Solo, specifically the events that occured during the NJO book "Traitor". I have noticed a couple of factual errors about these events. In the article, it is said that Jacen escaped to the vongformed coruscant by using his vongsense. This is quite wrong. During the battle in the nursery, as Jacen was about to kill the last world brain Vergere appeared and tried to pursuade him not to kill his "friend". When this failed, she used her force altered tears to put Jacen to sleep. Jacen and Vergere were then released by Nom Anor onto the surface of Coruscant as part of the attempt to break Jacen and make him believe in the Vong Religion.

The second error I noticed was about incident with the gigantic Vong creature and the people living therin. The article states that Jacen goes on to kill those he found inside. This is also wrong. When the young girl he rescues turns on him, he grows angry and implants a thought into the creature's mind using his animal empathy saying that all humanoids are poisonous. This causes the creature to vomit the contents of it's stomach and holding sack before closing up and not allowing re-entry. Those people inside the creature were alive and well when Jacen left them, though they did accuse him of killing them as they no longer had their "safe" place to live.

These facts can of course be verified by reading the book more carefully. I hope that this can be corrected and the article updated. —Unsigned comment by 81.151.96.230 (talk • contribs)

  • Well I cant find fault in your logic in the first "mistake". But on the second, the book says (going off of memory) "'How many did you kill?' said Anakin. 'All of them, none of them...'" he didn't directly kill them, although he may have sparked the events that cause their death at the hands of Vong creatures or the Vong themselves. Fact, he didn't use his vongsense to get off of the ship but he used his Vongsense to lead to his departure. Darth Balls 00:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
  • I agree with both of the points brought up by the first poster. I think that the changes should be made. - Afalker 05:31, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
  • I also agree with the first poster. DawnStrike 13:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Please, can someone change or remove the line about ". He had other plans, and in his rage, like his grandfather and the Tusken Raiders, he killed them all. Lost and confused, he went on." As has been mentioned, Jacen did not physically kill them, he convinced the Vong creature to vomit the survivors up and then left them to their own devices. This act in no way measures up to Anakin Skywalker slaughtering the Tuskens after finding his mother dead and makes that particular part of the article rather misleading —Unsigned comment by 86.146.211.36 (talk • contribs)
  • It's been a long time since I've checked this page again, and frankly, I'm rather upset this particular mistake is staying put... : "The survivors accused him of being the last and then tried to send him on his way to the stomach. He had other plans, and in his rage, he killed them all." This is an encyclopedia people. We're trying to present the facts. The facts are he set a freed a lot of people from a animals belly, and set them free. And that's IT. We don't know how many if any survived out in the Coruscant wilderness. You might mention that these people lost their relative safety due to Jacen. But to state he killed them outright is a gross stretching of the truth, and not worthy of the work we do here. DawnStrike 16:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
  • As it looks like I will have to quote straight from the book to get this more accurate, here we go... top of page 194 of the Traitor paperback.(I have no problem with this being removed if needed once changed as it is copyrighted material)

"No longer could they pay for safety from the Yuuzhan Vong with the lives of others. You've killed us, someone sobbed, you've killed us all. Jacen had stared at them, icy with power. Not yet. These soft, weak, contemptibly treacherous creatures, he could imagine nothing more loathsome. He'd turned his back on them. Walked away. He'd left them to the Yuuzhan Vong, and to each other." Hopefully now we'll get something more accurate written up as we now HAVE a quote from the book here on the site. —Unsigned comment by 86.146.211.36 (talk • contribs)

    • I fixed it. Any input? DawnStrike 1:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
      • Much better. perhaps changing the wording to "lost and confused, he left them to their fate and went on" ("moved on" sounds better to me, but it's up to those who can edit this page) or perhaps "lost and confused, he went on, leaving them to their fate" Also, if someone could look into the first part of the complaint too, it would be appreciated. From Jacen's perspective he was knocked out by Vergere using her tears in the Creche and when he next awoke, he found himself on coruscant/Yuuzhan'tar. Thank you for your help Dawnstrike —Unsigned comment by 86.146.211.85 (talk • contribs)

Lightsabre

As a Sith Lord, Jacen discarded his Jedi lightsaber and constructed a new, electrum lightsaber (probably with a red blade) to signifying his complete mastery of the force.

Is there a source for this statement, and i believe that (Probably with a red blade) should be removed. If the talk pages aren't for speculation the page itself certainly isn't.Darth Balls 00:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

  • There is nothing that says he gets an electrum lightsaber. However in Betrayal the future Jacen has black and gold robes and a black and gold lightsaber. I agree that the "probably with a red blade" should be removed.Darth Solus 04:39, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
  • In betrayal I don't recall a "future" Jacen I recall the Jacen that fought Luke, but at the same time there were both Luke and Ben's in this same form, it was a Dark Side illusion caused by Lumiya not a look at the future of any of these characters, but I could be wrong and will double check the book to make sure. N.Y.N.E.Comlink 04:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Well I'm re-re-re-re-re-re-re(etc)reading Betrayal, so when i get their i'll confirm your findings, still at Centerpoint.Darth Balls 16:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Chapter 35, it doesn't say anything about what "not-Jacen" is wearing, just whoever it was reeked of dark side energy, and his stare promised only malevolence. so i did some investigating that is a description of the false Luke... i'll remove it, see page 336 (hardcover), line 5-8. He was tall, slender, garbed in a traveler's robe of black and dark gold; it was stiled like a Jedi's but made out of expensive silks. A lightsaber, its hilt also in black and gold, swung at his belt.Darth Balls 18:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
  • That pasage doesnt describe the not luke it describes the sith lord vision that jacen meets. after jacen leaves lumyima talks to the vision and says jacen will eventually become you, another thing in the star wars universe gold is electrum. I think that passage should be put back in —Unsigned comment by 172.212.123.211 (talk • contribs)
  • "Who put the thing about the electrum saber back in the article"-Darth Morder 15 December 2006
  • I did, should have been quite obvious if you looked through the history, but someone else added the bit about the synthetic red crystal. i need a citation for the color of the blade though.Darth Balls 01:04, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
  • "I dont think there is one in betrayal, although its almost certain to be red i agree it shouldnt be there without conformation".-Darth Morder 11:55, 16 december
  • "also The above passage about the figure in black and gold is definately not the dark Luke, I went through it last night, the sith lord says to jacen first you must go through my subordinates to get to me, then conjures the dark luke. —Unsigned comment by 172.188.174.233 (talk • contribs)
  • "This is getting stupid, someone obviously doesnt understand that being a sith lord doesnt always mean having a red lightsaber, If this is an unregisterd user i suppose there no way of finding out whos doing it I think were going to end up putting an edit shield round this article.-Darth Morder 12:45, 16 december
  • I'd say Jacen building an electrum lightsaber is fanon until he actually constructs it. The future Jacen from Betrayal is one path of many he could head down, and even then, the description from Betrayal doesn't specifically say it's electrum.Sailor Naboo
  • "It says a Lightsaber of black and gold, and in the star wars univere gold is electrum so its true".-Darth Morder 18 december
  • We only saw this saber on a Force Vision of a Sith Lord who doesn't exist yet. Even if in my opinion, it's likely that Jacen will have such a lightsaber, there is no solid evidence that he will. It is still unverified info to me. --Petiflo 01:43, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
    • I agree. The future is always in motion therefore we don't know how much of this vision is going to actually occur. Grunny (Talk) 03:28, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
  • "the vision is a reflection of jacens future, and besides the author of the book would not have gone into such detail about small things like attire and weaponary if it wasnt signifigent.-Darth Morder 19 december.
  • Never thought I could stir up such a war over one comment that I didn't read fully. Sorry mods, but can you put on a edit block and take off this non-sense about a lightsabre. We have no concrete proof that Jacen will do this, the future is allways in motion. Except when you get a statement and several ads with the title "Darth Who?", then we know Jacen will take a Sith name.—Unsigned comment by Darth Balls (talk • contribs)
  • Like the argument over the Jedi Exile gender was not enough... now there's gonna be a new argument over Jacen and his lightsabre... Darth Morder you say the vision is a reflexion of Jacen's future, it's a reflexion of a possible future... Alright we all know he will become a Sith Lord and have a Darth title I can't argue on this, but that doesn't tell us anything about is lightsaber. What about the vision Luke had inside the cave in Dagobah... It was a reflexion of his future too at this time, did he ever wear a black armor at any time? I don't recall so. I'm not saying Jacen is not gonna have an electrum lighsaber, I'm saying we don't know what saber he will have. We just don't have any solid information at this time. And no, a Force Vision is not a solid information, "Always in motion is the future".--Petiflo 05:07, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
  • fair enough, I wasnt even the one who put it in there in the first place, after re-reading betrayal it just made sense never mind. I think we will have a hard time convincing others, fannon seems to have a lot of voice unfortuntely.-Darth Morder 2:00 20 december.
  • Can an admin please protect the page from anon edits to stop this being re-added repeatedly? -- I need a name (Complain here) 13:22, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
  • "just ban whoevers doing it"-Darth Morder 21 december.

Quote

"Sometimes, things must be broken in order to be rebuilt."
―Jacen Solo[src]

Can someone confirm that's an actual quote from Tempest? Because Darth Krayt says that exact line in Star Wars Legacy 1: Broken, Part 1. It could be a user messing around with the "Jacen=Krayt?" thing, or a very interesting coincidence... - \\Captain Kwenn// — Ahoy! 16:15, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

  • While we're at the "did he say this" game, is this a confirmed quote from exile? My future is not preset; I have no special destiny! I forge my own way, I walk a new path. I shall determine my own destiny. Because Darth Krayt says ...I forge my own way, I walk a new path.... Though that seems more like coincidence than him re-iterating that 90-some years later.Darth Balls 19:28, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
  • This is already being discussed above on the "Where did this quote appear" section. --Petiflo 02:39, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
    • I'm resuming the debate here as this section is more recent. I've been through the entire Tempest novel, and I'm 100% positive that he never says "Sometimes, things must be broken in order to be rebuilt.", nor anything close to it. This is purely fanon.--Petiflo 11:03, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
      • I also had this doubt initially, as I pointed out above, but then I found it. I don't remember where, but I commented that I found it, so I must've (I don't really lie). So I'll look through my memory and try to find it, but I can assure you it wasn't in "Tempest", I remember at least that much. Something tells me it was in "Betrayal", but I'll have to check. --Sauron18 06:02, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

duel visions

RECENTLY, LEIA SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF HAVING A VISION(VIA TATTOINE GHOST) THAT WAS OF A FIGURE SAYING "MINE" (I CANT CONFIRM,I HAVNT READ IT YET) BUT JACEN APPEARS TO HAVE A SIMILAR VISION WHILE CHILLIN ON THE "ANAKIN SOLO", AND DISREGARDES IT ... ANY THOUGHTS? —Unsigned comment by Davzion (talk • contribs)

  • --dual visions--Recently, Leia said she had a vision of a figure saying "Mine", (I can not confirm this, because I have not read the book yet) then Jacen has a similar vision in Tempest while aboard the Anakin Solo. Discuss.Darth Balls 07:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC) edit by Darth Balls 22:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
    • sorry, but it was killing me and I can't edit your post, so i abbridged it in mine (sorry again). Otherwise yes, I noticed the similarities. I shouldn't think that there is too much (if any) of a connection between the two visions.Darth Balls 07:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
      • sorry bout that, im new to this... I wouldnt think much of it, except in tempest they both mention having the same vision.. i look forward to reading tattoine ghost just to see what her vision was all about —Unsigned comment by Davzion (talk • contribs)
  • I don't know about Leia's vision, but Jacen does such a vision indeed in Tempest. And when I say Tempest, I mean the novell Tempest, not the excerpt from Exile. --Petiflo 10:18, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Also in Tempest I remember Leia thinking back to the vision she had in Tatooine Ghost at least I think it was that vision she was thinking about. Grunny (Talk) 05:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)