Since we have no idea when Darth Andeddu lived, I think its better if the list is alphabetical, rather than some faux-chronological list. QuentinGeorge 07:20, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)
- We know. - Sikon 07:34, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)
- No we don't. The wikipedia page is wrong, and purely fan speculation. I suspect it was fanwanked by our old friend KFanII. QuentinGeorge 11:48, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)
- Then I suppose we can make an "Out of chronology" subsection for characters whose placement in the timeline is unknown. - Sikon 12:42, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)
- No we don't. The wikipedia page is wrong, and purely fan speculation. I suspect it was fanwanked by our old friend KFanII. QuentinGeorge 11:48, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Origins
I realize that I have no canonical evidence for this, but I going to say it. While Revan may have began the tradition of Darth, I do not believe Revan invented it. I have no evidence for this but one, simple fact.
The Sith loath the Weak.
And why would Revan be considered weak? Because he went back to the light side. Thus, in my opinion, Revan couldn't have created it. I think it must have some older roots in Sith history. This is all just my opinion. You can comment on this, agree with me, poin out mistakes, or just denounce. I just thought I should point this out. -- SFH 00:22, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
- You make a good point. I'm actually more inclined to point to Darth Andeddu as the seminal, first Darth. QuentinGeorge 11:03, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)
but why? He could be apart of Bane's order.
- I know this is a late reply but i'm going to reply anyways. Revan wasn't considered weak by the Sith, not even Malak considered. He said to him on the Leviathian that he had become stronger than ever. Plus Revan's redemption was not his choice. Jasca Ducato 14:23, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, it -was- his choice - the player (as Revan) has full choice on whether to be evil or good in the game. What Revan had no control over, however, was having to -make- the choice: had his amnesia not been forced upon him, he would have remained evil, but since it was, he had to make the choice all over again. Though I do agree - Revan was not considered weak by -anyone-.
- Would just like to say that the word Darth need not have been coined from a Rakatan word as recently as by Revan or Malak. The Infinite Empire had attempted to invade Tython and Korriban, and the later planet's Sithcentric ideology and the first Sith Empire were a direct result of their encounter with the Rakata. This was shortly followed by the creation of the Sith Empire forged between the Sith and the Dark Jedi exile. The various Sith Empires and many Dark Jedi had a tendency to study the Rakata before Revan or Malak, who themselves were sent by the Emperor of the Sith Empire of Dromund Kaas, which is preceded by the Sith Triumvirate. For all we know it could have been introduced on accident by the ex-Force Hound Xesh when questioned about the Rakata by the Jed'aii.
If someone could just clarify on the intro paragraphs that the awareness of the Rakata and their Infinite Empire by the Jed'aii, Jedi, and Dark Jedi and the Sith precedes Revan and Malak. They still could have been the first to use the term as a title , but by no means is it likely that they were the first to kow it outside the Rakatan Empire. 28th of July 2015, 3:17 UTC
Quote
Where's that quote come from?
- A draft AOTC script, apparently. At least I know this line is there. However, this line is non-canon and therefore ill-suited for a quote. - Sikon 18:32, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- Shouldn't someone replace it, then? Lieutenant Gerard 00:20, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Darth Infinex ?
Source on this? I almost immediately reverted it as Fanon, but I admit, I've seen dumber Darth names than that in canon sources. So I figure I'll give the benefit of the doubt. Any source on Darth Infinex, anon? Maclimes Zero (talk) 
23:49, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
- Or not. *lol* Maclimes Zero (talk)
23:50, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
- Or not. *lol* Maclimes Zero (talk)
Updating
May I suggest that the page needs to be updated on account of new information? Of significance is the portions relating to the origins of the name. Given that Darth Sunshine was used before Revan and Malak discovered the Star Forge, it's highly unlikely that that's where the name originated. Vryce 10:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Information on that is already included. Note that an early use of the term Darth does not preclude Rakatan origin - the Rakatan influence on Korriban is enough to provide a link. QuentinGeorge 10:24, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Hah, apologies. This is what comes of reading an article at 4am. Vryce 10:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Darth Cerebrus
Is this Canon?-Darth Vindictus
== Is it possible that Darth is the sith (species) word for 'Lord'?
Vater being Father in Dutch
I just think you needed to know that 'Vater' is the German word for father, and that 'Vader' is litterally Father in Dutch. I know because I am Dutch.
- And Vader means "Walking" in Danish, add an S (Vaders) and you have our name for rubber boots... Your point? --Dixieboy 23:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Revan and Malak
This statement has to go:
"It is worth noting that Revan and Malak used the title along with their given names, and did not adopt new names along with the title as many subsequent Sith Lords would do. Darth Traya was the first known Sith Lord to take an alias after her fall and rechristenment."
It is pure speculation at this point.--Sentry 23:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah. BTS, perhaps? Chack Jadson 23:47, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I have to disagree with that. While Revan himself/herself did not assume a new name in the video game (the player character's name was never revealed, as they always spoke of Revan in the past tense, and therefore can be assumed that the Jedi viewed the dark side version of the player character as a separate entity), his apprentice and successor to the title of Dark Lord of the Sith, Darth Malak did assume a new name upon his christening. Orginially, he was named Alek Squinquargesimus, the last name referencing the name of the village he was born in. As to the title Darth, when and where it's original usage came into habitual use by the dark lords, I can only defer to the explanation given in the Wookieepedia references as to the language varients used by the Rakatan, who themselves had to have had dark side users that viewed and saw Korriban as a planet capable of exercising their will over a primitive, yet already violent people that sought to have the strong rule the weak, as the dark side of the force suggests. —Unsigned comment by Darth Vispren (talk • contribs)
Shadow warrior???
"It should also be noted that Darth Means "Shadow Warrior" in the Sith Language." Where on Earth does it come from? Smells like fanon spirit here... LelalMekha 21:12, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
- It was just added, so I reverted it. -LtNOWIS 21:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Image galleries
Are the galleries in the article really necessarily?--Jedi Kasra 23:56, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Birth name / Sith name
- Following on from all this confusion regarding the naming of Kreia, I suggest we in fact go one step further than my suggestion in the Kreia talk page and include both the birth name and Sith name of all Darth characters in the infobox, whether by including them both in the name box or else by dividing it across two seperate infobox categories. This would make the matter of what to call them in the infobox far more objective and less open to personal opinion. --Kessel 12:35, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Darth Sion
I have question. Acording to Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide, Darth Sion took his sith name in the great sith war (50 years before Revan and Malak took the title of Darth). I know that in the last kotor comic, Haazen speculated that Lucien could become sith named Darth Sion. Sure, the story of kotor still continues and everything could be different but for now, there are two sources both of them with different info about this character but both with one same thing. Darth Sion had his title of Darth before Darth Revan and Darth Malak. So I ask. Why not to place Sion on the first place Before Darth Revan (or Hayze)? Because he was before them and thus predating them. What do you think? --ScorpiO 08:58, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I think you may need to check your sources. To use your comments, "Haazen speculated that Lucien could become sith named Darth Sion," would speculate that Haazen simply had a vision of a possible future. Just like the Jedi Master Q'Anilia had envisioned thousands of years before the births of Anakin Skywalker (Darth Vader), Luke Skywalker, Zayne Carrick, and Cade Skywalker would be all affected by the Muur Talisman. Having said that, it is entirely possible and plausible that Darth Sion existed before both Darth Revan and Malak as a dark side user of the force, but unaware of the title that would later be given to him. Also, until both Darth Revan and Malak were neutralized, it is also possible that the title Darth couldn't have been used by him, being that he would have been weaker than even Malak, and therefore unworthy of Sith training. All this, however, is entirely speculation. —Unsigned comment by Darth Vispren (talk • contribs)
lost sith guy
hi this may sound like a bit of a strange question, but im kinda a noob. earlier today i was on a car trip and my step bro next to me was reading a gaming magazine [pc gaming or something] and it had a sith on it with his red lightsaber and standing all awesome. anyway, i thought it was vader but then i thought and wondered why he wouldnt have his helmet on [but it did have the breathing bit, just not the main part] and then i noticed the armour was all wrong. i checked all of the darth's but it wasnt on there. anyone know who it is? p.s. i live in england if it makes a difference. dont know if you guys get that magazine.
- Are you sure it wasn't Darth Malak?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 17:21, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
probably...
- Or Darth Malgus? Ausir(talk) 23:51, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
- Starkiller from The Force Unleashed carries an armor similar to Vaders in dark side ending of the game and also in the USE add-on content. Since TFU is the last released SW game and there is a sequel underway, and this was a gaming magazine, I presume it might be a character from TFU2. LeoKhenir 08:02, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
To answer your question, it is Darth Malgus - good job Ausir - who is a Dark Lord of the Sith in the video game coming this Spring to PC's everywhere. The game is known as, Star Wars: The Old Republic. That is why it would show on a PC Gaming magazine in 2010. And welcome to the site, whatever your name is...the mysterious one, I suppose. —Unsigned comment by Darth Vispren (talk • contribs)
5.3 Factual correction
I attempted to edit the page, but no edit option was available for some reason. The section on the origins of the Darth name says that Revan and Malak were the first known users of the title, and uses this as a basis for tie-in to the Rakatan. I found elsewhere, however, another Darth who lived "long before the Old Sith Wars". Darth Vitus is the name given, though the link itself does not clarify when he lived - the article does. Pasted source link: *
Behind the Threat: The Sith (Part 5) on Wizards.com (backup link) (original site is defunct)
Though not from a film, novel or game, the roleplaying material has added astounding amounts of material into canon since it is considered an official source by Lucas licenses. Though West End Games did a far better job of introducing detailed material than Wizards of the Coast did, in my opinion.
At any rate, there you go. An established mention of a Darth who predates the exploits of both Revan and Malak. Because open editing of this article is closed, I ask that whoever *IS* able - correct the line about them being the first known users of the title.
Thank you.173.169.162.230 21:34, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
- I believe you have to be a "registered user" to edit the Darth article. And as the article says, it is about the possibility of Rakatan origin, it by no means says that this is confemred, it goes on to say "the first recorded Sith to use the title were Darth Revan and Darth Malak" and "earliest verified use of the title was by the master and apprentice duo of Darth Revan and Darth Malak". In the following paragraph is identifies flaws in this theory. Since we have little information about Darth Vitus and no information on how he got the title it is difficult to replace it with out rewriting a great chunk of the entire article its self and replacing it with almost nothing. ░▒▓ Alex | Talk ▓▒░ 22:21, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
Darths from the Dark Council
Is there any reason, that none of the new Darths from the Dark Council are not here? I would add them, but just to be sure, they are supposed to be also on this page, aren´t they?--ScorpiO 09:07, December 24, 2011 (UTC)
The reason that this may have not been updated is that, if you look at the last post that this article had, it was back in 2010. Also, the game and all the data related to it just came out a few weeks ago. Everyone is probably so engrossed in the game that no one has had the time to update it. Darth Vispren, Dark Lord of the Sith 20:04, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
Darth Naga Sadow
The article says "The earliest verified use of the title was by Naga Sadow." But during his Facebook chat with Fry and the fans, Urquhart said: "Yes, there was a specific intention with using the name Darth Naga Sadow. It’s meant to indicate Sadow’s ambition, and his status as “supreme viceroy” (i.e. top Dark Lord). The context needed a title that wasn’t Sith’ari. But it doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s a contemporary usage." (Source here) --LelalMekha 15:06, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
Shouldn't the first Dark Councilors and the others from the new Encyclopaedia be also listed on this site? 217.233.240.46 21:23, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
That 'the earliest verified use was by Naga' thing seems off. After all, Andeddu was verified to use it and was sometime during the Empire, and Naga was last, so that's not exactly right. Earliest verified year maybe...? ZeroSD (talk) 02:40, December 18, 2013 (UTC)
Darth Vader origins clearification
Use of the name "Dark Father" on toys in the Netherlands (Dutch) is not true, as it says in the wiki... "More specifically, packaging on Dutch figurines of Darth Vader name him "Dark Father"
Actually, its just called "Darth Vader". Maybe there is a confusion with Germany (which is very often made!), which does change names/titles for movies how they feel fit.
To sum it all up, for the origins:
- Darth, has nothing to do with the Dutch language. - "Vader" however spelled this way, means "Father" in Dutch.
This can be a coincidence, or meant this way. One theory could be that George Lucas (or anyone else in the naming process), named "vader" and not even knowing Dutch as well known language himself, but found it suiting obviously.
Pre-KotOR lore that the title originated with Bane?
I could swear I remember reading in one of the reference books (The New Essential Guide to Characters, maybe) that, prior to the release of Knights of the Old Republic, Bane was the one who coined the term "Darth" and Bioware using it with Malak and Revan was an error on their part that later writers had to reconcile with preexisting lore. Does anyone else remember this, or is my recollection just faulty?--Valiran (talk) 20:40, June 2, 2020 (UTC)
- Vitiate and Naga Sadow are titled "Darth" according to Tales of the Jedi: Dark Lords of the Sith 1: Masters and Students of the Force and Star Wars: The Old Republic Encyclopedia..