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Capital

Does the Confederacy of Independent Systems have a capital world like the Old Republic, Galactic Empire, New Republic and even the Yuuzhan Vong? Most galactic governments have capitals. 222.152.183.188

Geonosis is the capital. The other capitals are Raxus Prime, Utapau, and Mustafar.

    • The CIS was not around long enough to declare a capital world, although surely one of its founding worlds would have been chosen. With its leadership decentralized and constantly on the move, it does not appear that it had a capital. --SparqMan 21:52, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)
  • The "capital" worlds were Raxus Prime (the "founding" capital before Geonosis), Geonosis (until the capture of the planet shortly after the events of Episode II), and finally Mustafar. There were probally other capital worlds throughout the Clone Wars, but I don't believe Utapau was a capital. In the RotS comic adaption, a B-1 battle droid approaches Grievous and reports that the planet has been captured. Which probally means Utapau was never a capital. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 00:20, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)

It never truly had a capital. A. It was a confederacy so it had a capital for each conglomerate of the confederacy. That being their headquarters. B. The CIS' main way to protect was to keep all of it's leaders seperate or, together or not, constantly moving. C. There was a lot of infighting between the different factions which led to division and disagreement on nearly every decision. They would not be able to agree on a capital. Accepting another factions HQ would be like admitting that they were superior (Most of the CIS leaders have huge egos) D. The Confederacy lacked the fortress worlds that the Republic had. There was no easily defensible planet, like Coruscant, the CIS controlled. If you read the books, comics, etc. the CIS was almost always on the run. They could inflict major losses, and even claimed few major victories but they never held a place for long before the Republic stormed it. E. Geonosis was definitely not a capital. It was just a major droid foundry and the place where all the different organizations sealed the deal. Notice the lack of enough droids to fend of a moderate Republic invasion. If it was the capital I'm sure it would've been better reinforced and would not have so readily been sacrificed. --Fett77 07:47, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)

It's probably Serenno (Dooku's homeworld) or Ceto Neimodia (the TF did much of the assistance for the CIS, folloed with the Banking Clan, then Commerce Guild then Techno Union. I don't think there was infighting, they didn't mention it in Labryinth of Evil and the ROTS novelization. They seemed to get along with each other, with the leaders even comforting each other. The Republic caught the Geonosians by surprise and destroyed their airbases quickly. -SWF

I think Dooku was trying to protect it by division. It is harder to destroy something without centralized organization than with centralized organization. He didn't want to go with the hassle and possible losses of bickering over a capital, and wanted to make sure the Republic couldn't demoralize and/or defeat the CIS in one blow to a newly declared capital. It worked out perfectly, since the Confederacy wasn't that closely united anyways. —Unsigned comment by 209.165.254.250 (talk • contribs)

Separatist Union

While used interchangeably by the sloppy Lucas, are we sure that all Separatists were CIS members? Dooku also talks about the Separatist Union, and CIS appeared later in the process. Just trying to clear that up --SparqMan 04:39, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Head of State

I find it funny how, according to the article, Sidious led the Confederacy two years AFTER it was dissolved. Plus, it was ruled by the Separatist Council and Dooku, not Sidious. --Imperialles 15:10, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • Whoever put that in plucked it out of their own head, methinks. I've never seen any source saying the CIS existed AFTER Rots, nor that it was directly ruled by sidious. It should be deleted as non-canonical QuentinGeorge 06:32, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • Removed. On another note, wasn't the Confederacy ruled by the Separatist Council, instead of Dooku? --Imperialles 06:35, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      • Yeah, but he was "Head of State" - kind of like a King or President in a Parliamentary System. The Council was more like a Parliament/Prime Minister type thingy. QuentinGeorge 06:47, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I got rid of Sidious. Some one put it back. Dylankidwell 20:59, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

  • Um, Sidious was the secret de facto leader of the CIS. So therefore, I put it back into the table. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:24, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)
  • Sidious was the de facto secret leader. That is fact. And someone keeps removing it. Can someone do something about this? -- SFH 19:37, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)

The CIS did exist after ROTS, examples of CIS holdouts: Gizor Delso. It took YEARS to take the remaining CIS worlds, and many former Confederates joined the Rebellion -SWF

  • Technically, no. The CIS was dissolved in 19 BBY. Then, what remained of the major corporations that supported the CIS became parts of Empire-supporting corporations. Gizor Dellso led his own little force against the Empire. Had he succeeded, the CIS could have been re-established. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:55, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Bu there was resistance, amoung the Outer Rim worlds, like at Enarc. Not all people simply surrendered their wealth and resourves over into the Empire, the Empire had to fight them. "Separitist Holdouts" was ised as a reason to build up the Imperial Fleet.

  • Yes, but the CIS itself was dissolved. Resistance remained, not the CIS. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:23, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

The Empire of the prequel trilogy

The Confederacy is the Galactic Empire of the prequel trilogy. -- Eddyward Telerionus 04:18, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)

  • They're the bad guys, if that's what you mean. Please stop pointing out blatantly obvious similarities such as this one. They are inconsequential to this wiki. Thank you. – Aidje talk 04:50, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)
    • Yeah, stop pointing out all the information we already know. But in reality, it's not an empire. They're just the bad guys. But stop pointing out these facts that we've known for a while. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 11:51, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I didn't say that the Confederacy was an empire. I'm just comparing things in the prequel trilogy to things in the original trilogy. Stop posting negative comments against me. -- Eddyward Telerionus 20:35, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)

  • Then stop posting information which everyone already knows. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:51, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)
  • Jack Nebulax, by responding, you're only prompting him to do it again. If it's useless, then ignore it. --SparqMan 21:34, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I wouldn't say the Confederacy are the bad guys. It's sort of like there are two bad guys fighting. The Republic is just as corrupt and evil as the CIS.--Fett77 07:50, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)

  • Don't put your posts right in the middle of a dicussion. Despite the Republic being corrupt, it was still the good side. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:50, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)

The Republic is as evil as the CIS (probably even more). Note that the BDZ was originlly developed by the Old Republic using Acclamators. the 3 main Republic warships, Acclamators, Venerators and Victories can BDZ planets. It's also a civil war, the Republic likely did the BDZs also, etc. -SWF

  • No, the Republic was not as evil. They had warships to defend themselves against the CIS. And that is your opinion, so keep it off of the Talk pages. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:53, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)

The CIS would've left the Republic Alone, the Republic sent in the Jedi and Clone Troopers first, they were the agressors. The CIS would use the dorid armies to force the Republit to gain independence when the talks ended. Note palpatine's speech "I will not allow a republic that stood for 1,000 years to stand divided" Also, lookat what Palpatine was willing to do to Ord Cestus. Look at Jabiim and the other worlds the Republic wouldn't help. Look at the Kaleesh, and what the Jedi did to them, sanctioning them and allowing hundreds of thousands of Kaleesh to die, after the Kaleesh defended themselves from the Huks.

"Dooku's confederacy secretly used the negotiation period to begin building droid armies, in the hope that by the time negotiations invariably failed, [B}they would be strong enough to force the Republic to grant them independence anyways.[/B]

From the Separitist Crisis article. Sorry for it being so long.

-SWF

I agree with you that the Republic also committed some crimes though we must not ignore those committed by the Confederacy. The CIS also enslaved the Wookies of Kashyyyk and the Ugnaughts of Gentes. The Separatists had access to bioweapons including the "Swamp Gas" which killed many people (mainly Gungans) on Ohma-D'un and "Trihexalophine1138" which devastated Honoghr, the Loedorvian Brain Plague which slaughtered Humans in the Weemell Sector and a biochemical plague that killed 90% of the population of Atraken.

The CIS's warships including the Providence-class carrier/destroyers could also BDZ planets most notably Humbarine. The Confederacy also bombarded Duro, causing toxic chemicals from industrial areas on the surface to contaminate the entire planet's ecosystem and Parcellus Minor, which was home to flammable vegetation and burned for a long time. Thus, both sides have had their share of atrocities. MyNz

  • You can't just say the CIS were bad guys, there's more to it than just that. Yes, we all know that they are in the prequel trilogy to give it a big "bad guy" like the original. But the spirit behind the CIS wasn't the same as the greed of the Empire. I'm not talking about the Separatist Council, but the planets that seceded seceded because they were suffering, and all of their requests for help were merely railroaded by endless beaureacrats and philibustering. All attempts at reform of the system by its leaders were also useless.
    • True. Despite the fact that they were the bad guys, they left the Republic because they knew it was corrupt (even if Sidious ordered Dooku to). But it really all depends on the point-of-view. Admiral J. Nebulax 13:03, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

High Human Culture

Did the Confederacy of Independent Systems play a role in the emergence of High Human Culture? The Trade Federation was dominated by Neimoidians, the InterGalactic Banking Clan was dominated by Muuns, the Techno Union by the Skako, the Commerce Guild by the Gossam and the Corporate Alliance by the Koorivar.

The Confederacy's ship and weapons manufacturers were also dominated by aliens. For example, Haor Chall Engineering was controlled by the Xi Char and Baktoid by the Geonosians. The Quarren also manufactured many of the Separatist capital ships most notable the Providence-class Carrier-Destroyers. However, most of the companies loyal to the Republic are dominated by Humans such as Kuat Drive Yards and Rendili StarDrive. Most of its leaders and agents were also aliens with the exception of Count Dooku.

General Grievous was a Kaleesh. The Confederacy also invaded Human worlds and sectors such as Humbarine and the Weemell Sector. Must of the Republic's military was dominated by Humans. If the Confederacy won the war, they would have favoured aliens. The Clone Wars must have divided Humans and Aliens. This explains why the Galactic Empire favours Humans to aliens.

Z

  • Well, I think the EU made it clear that humanocentrism was well established unofficially in the Old Republic, the Empire just made it law, expanded it, and reduced the rights of nonaliens. But you may be right. I also recall hearing a theory that the Clone Wars were why no one likes droids in the OT and post-ROTJ EU. Kuralyov 17:23, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, that is all true. It does appear that way, but also, Palpatine wasn't exactly a fan of non-human species. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:18, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)
      • Seeing as Palpatine had many non-humans working with him as Chancellor (Mas Amedda even knew he was Darth Sidious!), and had several appointed to very high positions in the Empire (Grand Admiral Thrawn and Grand Moff Hissa, for example) despite the official dictates of human superiority, I don't think he really had much problem with non-humans. As long as they were useful to him, of course, but that's how he felt about humans too. 68.47.234.131 05:17, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
        • Of course, you could say the same for Dooku. While as of the ROTS novelization he hates everybody, there's some alien subordinates he praised even to Sidious (Merei, Tann), others that seem to be extremely trusted like Sora Bulq, he had an alien friend as a kid, etc.
          • I think Palpatine mainly liked the non-Humans that were loyal to him or close to him. Let's just say that Palpatine hated the Chiss. He could have like Thrawn because he was loyal. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:38, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Did any of the species that aligned themselves with the Confederacy of Independent Systems such as the Neimoidians, Muun, Skako, Koorivar, Gossam and Geonosians get enslaved by the Galactic Empire?

Zainal

  • I doubt it, but you never know. According to Star Wars Insider 84's HoloNet News, all of the Separatist-alligned species were going to be forced to sign peace treaties, like Sentepeth Findos. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:51, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, we do know from Databank title Praji, Tannon in the Databank (original site is defunct) that as the Clone Wars wore on, COMPOR deported these enemy species from Coruscant. And in the Evasive Action: Recruitment webstrip, we see that some of the Utapauans were enslaved for Palpy's pet projects on Byss etc.--Valin Kenobi 07:18, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)
      • The Episode III novel had Dooku planning to use the CIS's alien nature to bring what amounted to High Human Culture into predominance in the Empire. The fact that this was bouncing around in his head would seem to indicate that Sidious was party to the idea and liked it, and that at the very least the CIS being alien-dominated didn't help non-humans' position under the Empire. Even if it wasn't a real initiating cause, it undoubtedly made for some nice rhetoric.
        • Well, we know that the CIS was filled with non-Humans. The High Human Culture was due to this. During the Clone Wars, members of the alien species alligned with the CIS were either imprisoned or expelled from Coruscant, possibly meaning that High Human Culture started during the Clone Wars, not after. Admiral J. Nebulax 14:50, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)
          • There were elements of it prior to the Clone Wars (ref: Rogue Planet; Tarkin and Raith Sienar have a discussion wherein Tarkin presents the basic concept of HHC to Sienar), and there were undoubted inter-species issues, but you would be right. Even if the culture wasn't official policy, the seeds were placed in the public mindset during the Clone Wars, if simply because the CIS was so full of aliens in leadership positions. Placing these seeds would make the application of HHC at a later date far easier, since there would be incidents to refer to in order to incite popular prejudices with.
            • Exactly. During the Clone Wars, many species known to have ties with the Separatists were usually arrested on Republic-loyal worlds. This caused the general public to also become distrustful of these species. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:05, 26 Dec 2005 (UTC)
              • Yes, the CIS did allow High Human Culture to be accepted, as Palpatine was shown as the [erson wh osaved the Galaxy, Darth Vader, etc were all humans. It's explained in the ROTS novelization, dealing with an "Empire of Man". The CIS is also why droids are distrusated and can't be used by the Rebels

-SWF

                • I say it was high human culture because Palpatine and those right beneath him, like Tarkin and Vader, were human. Mostly because the Emperor was. But the people could be more acceptant of that after their mistrust of the non-humans who joined the CIS. Not that they would be able to do anything about it. Oh wait... what about Mas Amedda and Sly Moore? Maybe it was the other way around, Palpatine just made it that way after pressure from the humans, and he just didn't mind. Hmm...
  • Please read a little farther above on what I had said if you didn't. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 22:47, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Image

Instead of the picture of those three, can someone find an image of the Confederacy flag to put up? The NR, Empire, Old Republic, etc., all have flags as their images.Kuralyov 17:23, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)

  • I found nothing online. --Master Starkeiller 18:18, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • Why do we have to have that picture up there? All it does is take up space. Plus, it's not even a good image of Grievous. Plus, this topic is about the Separatists, not Ventress, Durge, and Grievous. That's why I'm removing it once again. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:06, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • CIS logo cannot be found. Might need to be scanned. By the way, I did see the logo of the Trade Federation, however it was 1 by 1 pixel. It might possible to find that in a larger format. -- Riffsyphon1024 22:15, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, all we have to do is take the logo of it from another source, say, the image of Grievous's capture of Duro where the flag is, zoom in on the logo, fix it up a bit, and there's the CIS flag. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:24, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
      • The picture I put there is nice. That is why I scanned it from my comic book, uploaded it, and put it there. At first I placed it in the wrong place, but Riffsyphon1024 corrected me. It is now were it belongs: Key Members of the Confederacy. It isn't harming the article, so please stop removing it. I agree that we should put the logo there. I cropped it from the Duro picture but it didn't look good... If anyone knows any other pictures with it, he may do the same, perhaps it will work. --Master Starkeiller 23:14, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
        • You might think that picture is nice, but it's not a good shot of any of the three, really. It's only Grievous's head and the crappy animated bodies of Durge and Ventress. At least get a nice looking picture up there of the three. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:39, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
          • It's the best there is with the three key members of the Confederacy in such dynamic poses... It might actually be the only one with both three... --Master Starkeiller 19:44, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
            • Then let's find ones with only one of them, but one of each. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:53, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
              • That would be illogical, since we currently have one with both three... --Master Starkeiller 20:12, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
              • It's a perfectly suitable pic. It should stay there. QuentinGeorge 21:18, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
                • Plus, I think it's awesome. Otherwise I wouldn't torture my Clone Wars Adventures: Volume 3 copy to upload it! --Master Starkeiller 22:15, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
                  • Shouldn't there be a pic of Dooku somewhere on this page too? Unit121 01:31, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)
                    • That's true. He is the CIS founder, after all. We could always use the one from Dooku's page. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:15, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • I got one:

http://i14.( photo bucket dot com )/albums/a301/adventfear/Cis.jpg

  • That's not exactly the CIS logo. More of a rip-off version. The really logo is skinnier, looking more like a TIE fighter solar panel, and it's painted blue. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:12, 20 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • Btw, the CIS logo does in fact inspire the Empire to create TIEs with that design. -- Riffsyphon1024 01:33, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)
      • Never stated anywhere. Plus, the wing design of the TIE long predates the CIS logo. QuentinGeorge 06:08, 21 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • What about this?--Adventfear 01:10, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)

http://img379.( image shack dot U S )/img379/5776/cis9li.png

    • I think that's fine... --Master Starkeiller 06:56, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)
      • Still not the image, though. Look at the picture of Grievous's victory at Duro. Note the banner that battle droids are placing up. Focus in on that image, enlarge it, and there's our image. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 16:15, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)
  • It's good enough for now until another comes along.
    • Well, I guess if no one takes the image from the "Grievous's Triumph on Duro" image and takes the logo, this will have to do. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:31, 21 Sep 2005 (UTC)
      • A cropped, sideways little image wouldn't look that good mesa thinks... --Master Starkeiller 14:27, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
        • Thank you for getting AN ACTUAL Separatists logo up there, Starkeiller. Now, hopefully someone will find an larger image like you said. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 18:13, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
          • No problem. Anyone with a Dooku Unleashed package (new version) could help. --Master Starkeiller 18:51, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

I remember a mention about the similarity in at least the BtS section of the article in the past. It's now gone. I have readded it because I think it is insteresting at least to notice. MoffRebus 10:25, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

What if?

What would have it been like if the Confederacy of Independent Systems won the war? Probably, the Jedi Knights would also be exterminated since Darth Sidious also controls the Confederacy. Instead of Stormtrooper, we'll be having battle droids and instead of vehicles and vessels manufactured by Kuat Drive Yards, we'll be having craft manufactured by Haor Chall Engineering and Baktoid Armor Workshop.

Is the Confederacy racist? I doubt it though there would still be oppression. Would life under the Confederacy be as bad as the Empire or better? Probably, Coruscant would still be the galactic capital. The Confederacy would also have used its Great Weapon(a Death Star-like superweapon) to destroy planets. I wonder if the Expanded Universe would be a different place if the Confederacy won the Clone Wars? 222.152.239.11

  • Um, not to spoil your party here (even though you are mainly correct), this is for the discussion of the article. There are plenty of other forums throughout the web where you can post your opinions. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:27, 13 Oct 2005 (UTC)
  • Where do I find a forum? Should our Star Wars Wiki have one?222.152.241.166
    • Well, there's always TheForce.net forums. But I'm just saying, this kind of stuff is not for the Star Wars Wikipedia Talk pages. But, if you get a user name, you could always put a "What If?" section on your user talk page where you can discuss this with others who stop by. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:01, 14 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Improvement Drive

I think that this article should be on the Improvement Drive. Not enough information on this article particularly on the History section. The history section is far too short. Not much detail on the battles involving the Confederacy. Little is also mentioned about its crimes or its actions. This article can be in a much better state. Zainal

  • Well, all that is needed from what you stated would be a more detailed history section. Otherwise, there's really no need for an Improvement Drive sign. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 21:15, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Confederate Characters

Does anybody know who is this guy? He was at one of the episodes of "Clone Wars"

File:general.jpg

Gonzalo-Wan Kenobi 17:20, 25 Nov 2005 (UTC)

  • I don't know where, but I've seen a species name listed next to a character that looked like him. It would be helpful to identify the species as well as the name. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:12, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  • Probably, its a Koorivar. I saw it somewhere in the official Star Wars website though I can't remember where to find it. MyNz 20:11, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
    • I was thinking that as well, although it could be a different species. If you could find it, please post the information here. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:18, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
      • I think Leland Chee once said it's a Koorivar but I might remember incorectly. Anyway, he looks too much like a Koorivar not to be one. --Master Starkeiller 14:44, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)

While locked...

Can someone fix the spelling of Gizor Dellso, since it is incorrect at the moment? Admiral J. Nebulax 20:16, 26 Dec 2005 (UTC)

This should be added...

"If anything, the direct threat to Senate sovereignty - the CIS - is more of a 'congress' than the Senate. The USA used the word 'Congress' harkening back to the British colonies when delegates representing the east coast colonies first met to protest at their treatment by the government of Great Brritain. They met as the 'Continental Congress' which is somewhat similar to way that the CIS met regarding the way the corruption of the Senate, government and Republic."

Often I have heard of Americans comparing the CIS to the Southern Confederates in the American Civil War, however, I see (as a Briton, as well as a history and politics student) that the CIS is in fact the American Colonies declaring their independence from the United Kingdom (the Republic) - however, this does not mean that I see the British government (a superb national government) as bloated or corrupt which the Republic was becoming.

  • Why was this added to the "Galactic Senate" page, then? Admiral J. Nebulax 20:48, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • As with much of Star Wars Wiki, elements from article to article are similar... I have previously come across articles which contain the same paragraph with perhaps a few minor, cosmetic changes. Actually, as I asked when regarding the Republic Senate does the CIS have a Cabinet - by rights it should; San Hill (Finance), Nute Gunray (Trade), Greivous (War), etc, etc. All makes sense if you actually think about it.
      • You know, it actually sort of does make sense. Admiral J. Nebulax 13:11, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Who is this?

Any idea who that might could be?--Rune Haako 17:38, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

http://img77.( image shack dot U S )/img77/6899/whoisit6uy.jpg

  • Well, who was seated there in the image where the entire Council was? Admiral J. Nebulax 21:31, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

They're out of frame then, along with Tikkes. Rune Haako 23:21, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to agree with that. Mastermundi 12:30, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Does the council go like this: Rune Haako, Nute Gunray, Passel Argente, Po Nudo, Shu Mai, Poggle, Wat Tambor, San Hill, Tikkes, then the unknown. If so, where's Denaria Kee, Cat Miin or any of the other aides?

  • Mastermundi, please don't post in the middle of something. No offense, but it's a little annoying. Thanks. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:25, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
    • I doubt that it's the unknown Neimoidian. If he is isn't already named, he probably isn't important enough to get a seat at the conference table. As for Denaria Kee, Cat Miin and the other aides, I think they would be either lingering near the ship or table or be standing behind their bosses. It's probably Rogwa Wodrata. If so, a reason as to why Tikkes and Wodrata didn't go to Mustafar with the other Councilors should be found and added to the site. Nute Gunray7 talk 5:19, 14 May 2008

Mystery Body

Not Shi'ido's or Passel Argente's but the one mixed in with the Battle Droids.

http://img69.( image shack dot U S )/img69/1659/mysterybody8xt.jpg

  • It's a very bad image. Could you provide us a better one? Admiral J. Nebulax 01:10, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Sorry that's the best I could do, I had to brighten it up alot since it's really dark in that spot in the frame.Rune Haako 01:13, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
    • Well, from what I can see, it appears to be either a) a Skakoan, b) a Koorivar, c) a Geonosian, or d) some other Separatist leader or aide we don't know about. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:14, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
      • That's Po Nudo. you can see the butt on his face :) Rod

i think it's Denaria Kee

it could also be Wat Tambor

  • Nope, they're both in different places.--Rune Haako 16:35, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Well, there's always the unknown person that might have been a Neimoidian that is being discussed on Talk:Neimoidian. I doubt it's the same, but who knows. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:43, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Good or bad?!

Whenever I think of the CIS as good or bad, I think of them as good, since they were killing the soon-to-be-Imperial clones. --DarthCow--Talk| Email

cool. Look at this article I wrote about whether th eCIS is Evil. And yes, you need to put this in a talk page

http://www.geocities.com/leesci@sbcglobal.net/sw/isthecisevil.html

-SWF

Argumants for and against the Confederacy could be added in the article -SWF

  • Actually, no. It's all point of view. There's no point to start a debate like that. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:21, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
    • This question could be reworded so that it is not opinionated and gives a basic answer. Such as "Is the Separatist movement aligned with the Rebel Alliance or the Empire?" or "Was the entire separatist movement part of Sidious's plan, or did he manipulate it to create the Galactic Empire?"
      • Please, not the "The CIS was the Rebellion of the Prequel Trilogy" thing. They were fighting for completely different reasons—the CIS to form the Empire, and the Rebellion to get rid of the Empire. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 11:54, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
        • To add to Nebulax's statement, the CIS was a tool of evil Chancellor Palpatine's Republic, just as the Confederate States of America was of of the British Empire, the CSA was supplied and funded by the British Empire to defeat the unionists in order to destablize North America, in hopes of being able to retake North America, and inevitably betraying their CSA allies as almost every empire does.
          • Please don't bring back old topics from the dead. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 14:41, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
            • So the Confederate States were a "tool of evil?" Furthermore, the Separatists themselves were fighting for independence, but their venture was doomed because of Sidious and Dooku's plan.
              • First, please don't restart old topics. Second, the CIS was a pawn of Palpatine. It was organized under Dooku, but because of that, they weren't really fighting for independence. They were just fulfilling Palpatine's goal. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 13:55, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Separatist-aligned worlds?

Is that the same as planets they conquered?--Rune Haako 20:01, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Not always...some worlds that were taken by the CIS wanted tt stay loyal -SWF

Separatist-alligned species

Okay, I think this is pointless. Not all members of these species listed were alligned with the CIS. I believe that it should be removed. Any other opinions on this? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:03, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Hmm, I guess the planets are enough.--Rune Haako 20:07, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Before I remove them, I'd like to see if anyone objects to that. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:12, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Economy

I know it's a pipe dream, but is there enough sources floating around out there to give us an accurate picture of the CIS economy? I'd really love to see that in the article, just to give it a more encyclopedic feel. Crowe 01:58, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

  • Don't put new topics at the top of the talk page. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) Imperial Emblem 02:00, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
    • Read a little bit on what a confederacy is first then move on to the Trade Feds and banking clans —Unsigned comment by 74.244.81.89 (talk • contribs)

Cleanup

Personally, this is some of what I think needs to be changed: 1) the History section covers almost no actual history of the CIS, it's just a listing on leadership and military forces. Also that cartoon picture of Durge, Ventress, and Greivous is horrendous. 2) They 'Key members of the Confederacy' section can be removed, that's what the Separatist members category is for. 3) The 'Military' section is covered by the articles on the Droid Army and Confederate Navy, although I supose a brief rundown on its military powers should be kept here. 4) Separatist-aligned worlds and species can stay, I think, since they're not that many and we have similar sections for other government pages. 5) Quotes need to to go. Anyone else have any suggestions? Kuralyov 20:07, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

  • I agree with points 1, 2, 3, part of 4, and 5. The reason for "part of 4" is that not all members of the species listed were members of the Confederacy (for example, Humans). That list should be removed, but the "Separatist-alligned planet" list should stay. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 20:11, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I think there should be a list of the batles won fought or tied with the rebublic and a simple tree graph showing the comand, is that too much too ask?DarthsoloImperial Emblem

You know what, that should be a totally different section if it's not already. Admrial Warrior 23:18, 15 December 2007 (UTC)Starwarrior55

Capital 2

Dooku started the Seperatist crisis at Raxus, so its probably the Capital, until he moves on to base himself from Geonosis. He then sets up a Headquarters on Bakura, which remained as a headquaters until the Battle of Merson (month 17) at least. However, Dooku also sets up a command HQ on Antar 4 month 7.5 of the war.

In many ways, wherever Dooku sets up shop is the capital, not visits, obviously, but sets up a base from. So that also includes Vjun, Boz Pity, and Kaon.

Raxus Prime, Geonosis, Bakura, Antar 4, (Bakura again) Vjun, Boz Pity, Kaon, and then finally Mustafar.

is it just me, or is the cis logo the same shape as a tie fighter? Anakin Thomas 19:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

it also looks kinda like the Republic and Imperial logos too Admrial Warrior 23:20, 15 December 2007 (UTC)Starwarrior555

This article needs work.

The CIS article on Wikipedia is a great improvement on this. Does this seem right on Wookiepedia?

Quotes

The main quote and the quote in Government and Politics both claim to be from AoTC, except I don't recall hearing them in the movie. In fact, I don't remember Padmé and Dooku ever speaking to each other. Are the quotes from the novel or from deleted scenes? -- I need a name (Complain here) 22:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

their from the deleted scenes,so I think we should have a quote that is in the movie.—Troyb

  • Yes, and yes. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 20:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
  • witch quote is the best for the page?It needs to be good—Troyb
    • The quotes appear as slight variations in the novel. I've altered and sourced them accordingly - Kwenn 14:49, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

O.K.—Troyb

I agree with Admiral Nebulax,Movie ones are better.—Troyb

Gallery

I think that since we have a gallery of the Confederate Remnant,we should have a gallery of the CIS.—Troyb

I think it's a great idea, can I help? Admrial Warrior 23:23, 15 December 2007 (UTC)Starwarrior555

Sev'rance Tann

Surely she deserves a mention in with the bits about Durge and Ventress? From what I understand, she was rather more "effective" than either of them. 80.5.148.81 22:02, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

  • I wouldn't say that... —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 00:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
    • From the recorded stuff, I can't see a single battle Durge was in where he was on the winning side; he seemed to spend most of the time recovering from the increasingly elaborate ways people tried to kill him. Ventress spent more time hunting Jedi than actually leading armies. Tann, for her part, won a fair few engagements single handed. Anyway, the point is irrelevant. According to her page, she held Grevious's rank for the first part of the war. Surely that alone entitles her a quick word? 80.5.148.81 21:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
      • As far as I know, anything stating Tann was the original Supreme Commander of the Droid Armies is fanon. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 21:42, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
        • ? "Until her death early in the war, she served as the top military officer in the Confederacy, holding more personal sway with Dooku than even General Grievous. Tann reported to Dooku personally, and Dooku's high opinion of her may suggest that she outranked Dooku's other Dark Acolytes prior to her death." Well, not conclusive. But given the relative lack of military figures on CIS's side (as compared to the masses upon masses of Jedi/officers), I think her inclusion would give balance. 80.5.148.81 23:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

The Works

I think The Works, on Coruscant, is not part of the CIS. It was used by Count Dooku and Darth Sidious, but nobody knew (till the Jedi discovered it) that they were meeting there. Am I wrong? 217.76.159.220 14:53, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

  • In a way, it served as a headquarters of the CIS. It should stay. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 20:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
    • I'm not so sure. It seemed like the Sith had exclusive use of it. Unit 8311 14:44, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
      • Regardless of whether or not the Sith had exclusive use of it, it acted as a headquarters of the CIS. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 20:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
        • An indirect HQ of the CIS, yes. Unit 8311 20:04, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
          • But nonetheless, still a headquarters. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 20:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
            • No, it was there that Maul and Dooku were trained, and possibly Palpatine himself. In many references, particularly Labyrinth of Evil, Dooku describes it as a secret Sith hideaway that nobody knew about. It was a Sith HQ, but definitely not a CIS HQ, seeing as only Dooku and Sidious knew of it's existence after Maul's demise and before the search party for it. Nute Gunray 7 (User talk:Nute Gunray7

Sources

Is there a source for the Viceroy and the Inner Circle being a part of the Confederate government? Jedi Wolf 21:35, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Branches

  • Could someone make a section make a section for Seperatist branches? Ex. trade Federation, Techno Union, etc.Hntr.peters 23:16, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Well since its a confederacy

Ok now if im correct a confederacy is an alliance (usually a very loose one.) Does this mean that the main companies (trade federation) and smaller groups in the CIS could refuse orders from the "leaders" like dooku and Grievous and go on their merry way or send their armies somewhere else?(technically you should be able to but saying no to grievous cant be very smart)

Plan B

Is there any record of Palpatines plan B should the Seps have won the war(because that dude was way to smart not to have a backup plan), canon or not? Thanks.--LastJedi1515 01:31, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

It was too easy for Anakin to to kill the Separatist Leaders on Mustafar, and he knew he would be loyal to him. So there wasn't really a need for a back up plan. Plus, Grievous and Dooku were dead, so there wasn't much great leadership left in the CIS -PtG

Head of State

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but Count Dooku wasn't theonly Head of State of the CIS. Grievous succeded him as Head of State and after his death Nute Gunray became the Head of State (albeit for a short time), thus it is inacurate to say in the Article that only Dooku was Head of State (in the infobox). As far as I'm concerned the Republic infobox doesn't read, "Head of State: Chancellor Palpatine" so I believe the same should be done here. --SV18 20:47, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Confederacy Lost?

The Page says that the Confederacy lost the war and the Republic won, I don't think that is right. The Empire won the war, not the Republic, they lost the war. If you would only look to the Fight between the CIS and Republic then the CIS won. They where later dissolved (only a matter of minutes) then the Galactic Republic. So the Republic didn't win the War.

  • You are correct in saying the Empire won, but the Empire was what became of the Republic. It was not a hostile takeover, however, so the Republic did not "lose" so much as it was, as Palpatine says, reorganized into the Galactic Empire. Regardless, said seat of power, whatever it was called at the time, was the victor. The Republic as a whole did not lose, those that held the ideals of the Republic lost. As much is basically stated in the article about the Clone Wars itself-Zekk_Skywalk 16:49, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
    • That is Correct, But that still means the CIS didn't lost the war, does it.
      • When all your leaders are killed at the hands of an Imperial operative and all your armies subsequently deactivated by said operative, it certainly does mean you've lost. It is not like they surrendered, came to a truce, or even a stalemate. The article is right to say "lost." -Zekk_Skywalk 14:00, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
        • Well if you count the aids only 77% was dead and 23% alive and of it's member 10% were alive and in the senate of the confederacy 73% were still active and 48% of it's Allies were still active -User:Valenthyne

Clone Wars map

Did an updated clone wars map come out yet for this article?--98.148.127.135 03:58, October 7, 2012 (UTC)

Separatist capital

How are Raxus Prime, Cato Neimoidia, and Utapau capitals of the CIS? They were all controlled by the Separatists, but I don't think as capitals.--98.148.127.135 03:15, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

  • Cato Neimoidia and Utapau (maybe Utapau was a capital because the Separatist Council retreated here) are off the list now, but I believe that Raxus Prime was the original capital—though I am not sure if Geonosis was a capital or the original capital. Darth Pythonis CIS roundel (Talk) 18:32, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
    • Yes, Separatist Council locations, and Raxus Prime was the CIS' founding world. I am sure that the capital parameter in the infobox is not complete. JangFett (Talk) 18:35, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
      • I can't find any sources that explicitly state that the following planets were CIS capitals: Geonosis, Raxus Prime, Utapau and Mustafar. Yes, there were important worlds to the Separatist cause, but it doesn't make them capitals. Until there's a sufficient source that states if any of these worlds were capitals at certain points, I'll remove them from the infobox. Darth Pythonis CIS roundel (Talk) 02:42, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

2.2 Updated with new information

For the section where it speaks of the end where the CIS was loosing, it should be added in that Darth Sidious commanded the complete shut down of all droid units, thus making the Clones his main army.--98.165.174.174 00:13, March 11, 2013 (UTC)Guest

Main name

Should this page be moved to the Separatist Alliance because that is what starwars.com mostly refers to this faction as?--24.205.161.69 19:30, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

  • Its official name is the Confederacy of Independent Systems per numerous sources, including the SWE. JangFett (Talk) 20:02, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Infobox: Restored in 4 ABY as the New Republic

In the infobox, I added "4 ABY as the New Republic" to the restored field. My edit was reverted, with the edit summery "The New Republic was not a restoration of the Confederacy". I don't really understand the edit summery tough: The Confederacy of Independent Systems became the Separatist holdouts, the Separatist holdouts became the Alliance to Restore the Republic, and the Alliance to Restore the Republic became the New Republic. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 09:08, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

  • The reason I removed it is because the New Republic is not a direct restoration of the Confederacy. Separatist holdouts joined/were absorbed into the Alliance, but the Separatist holdouts did not become the Alliance. That's an important distinction. The New Republic was a restoration of the Galactic Republic's government, but not the Confederacy's. So it's incorrect to say that the Confederacy was restored via the New Republic, since it wasn't. I hope that clears things up! - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:36, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

More names

In the section 'Government and Politics' I was wondering if people would add the names of Riff Tamson & Merai as well as the Chieftan Nossor Ri, whom they both served under. Senator Bufus Ritsomas should be added to the part that talks about Senators who joined the cause & Rish Loo who was a member of the Gungan High Council should be added to 'Other members of power' ShaakTiMaster (talk) 12:01, December 29, 2017 (UTC)

  • Those would all be relevant additions, feel free to be bold and add them. Ayrehead02 (talk) 12:36, December 29, 2017 (UTC)
    • I would add them, however the page is locked so only a few people can edit them in and alas I am not one of those people. ShaakTiMaster (talk) 14:45, December 30, 2017 (UTC)