Talk: Battle of Malachor V

Sion

From what I remember, Sion, too, was born from the aftermath of the war. --Fade 12:34, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• No. He was a Sith Lord on Korriban during Revan and Malak's rule. He fled after the Battle of the Star Forge to Malachor V, where he encountered Traya and Nihilus. There he was taught how to master pain. --Imperialles 13:08, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Oh. Where in the game do you learn that? I missed a lot in KotOR II. That or I knew and have forgotten, which is just as likely. --Fade 13:44, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • I'm not sure, but I believe Kreia said so when asked about Sion. --Imperialles 13:51, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      • I just had a quick chat with her, and she told me that "he , like others, was spawned from the horrors of the Mandalorian Wars". That's pretty vague, and there's obviously more detail somewhere in the game. I just seem to recall that he was at Malachor, but most of KotOR II's story just gets lost on me for some reason. --Fade 14:05, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
        • I'll investigate further. --Imperialles 14:07, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You were right. But there is no evidence of him being present on Malachor V. It is only reasonable to assume he participated in the Mandalorian Wars, seeing as he held the title of Lord during Revan and Malak's reign. It is, however, stated that Traya was the one who taught him to master pain. --Imperialles 19:13, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• I guess it's safe to include Sion as it was originally, as he was still 'born from the ashes' of the struggle as Sion, whatever he was before. --Fade 20:47, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Traya didn't participate in the Mandalorian Wars, so I fixed the part claiming so.--Imperialles 18:00, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• It's a very vague expression. If you take it to mean 'born from the atrocities of...' then all three Sith Lords are applicable, I think. It perhaps needs changing, as it contains vague poetic licence right now. --Fade 18:02, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Hehe, I agree. Well, on the poetic bit. Traya was corrupted by the Trayus Academy, which existed long before the war. --Imperialles 18:05, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • Traya was born from Revan's fall, though, which can be considered a result of the war. --Fade 18:43, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Cede?

Who's that? Never heard that name in either KOTOR game. - Sikon 09:48, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)

• I think Cede takes Carth's place if you tell Atton that Revan was dark at the end of KotOR. Dunno anything about the guy, though, but I'd assume he's a Republic Admiral on Telos, as Carth is if you say Revan was light - Kwenn
  • Really? I guess I missed a lot by not playing dark characters. Although the dark side storyline branches are irrelevant for the canonical story anyway. - Sikon 17:05, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Problems

Source: "The Battle" section
The allied Republic forces had ten times the number of troops and equipment at Malachor V as the Mandalorians.

Does anyone know of a source for this information? I don't remember ever seeing those figures before and I think they might be fanon...

Secondarily, I think that it should be noted that no source ever states that a ground battle took place at Malachor V. In fact, due to the nature of the planet described in the Chronicles, I doubt that such a battle would even be possible.–Sentry ^[Talk] 22:23, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

• The info about the amount of troops is most likely fanon. - Sikon [Talk] 05:13, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
  • No, Canderous says it in-game. I think you need quite a bit of influence with him though. Jasca Ducato _{Sith Council (Sith campaign)} 19:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

apperances

ok, i tried to put this in earlier but jascta got rid of it, how come the battle can't be mentioned in kotor 1 and kotor 2? canderous talked about the battle in 1 and the quote in the beginning is even from the game, and they talk about the mass shield generator and the mandolirans losing in the battle in kotor 2, they even show malachor itself so why can't the battle be in mentioned in the games? how do we even know that was xamar's vision was malachor? it could have been another battle where they were retreating and xamar even said that replubic ships were firing on him, no mention at all of the mass generator sorry for the rant

Groode hdoge 13:40, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

• Because if you actually read the article, you will notice that they're mentioned in the sources section. So we don't need to add them to the appearance section as well. Jasca Ducato _{Sith Council} ^{Sith Campaign} 10:24, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Problems II

There seem to be a couple of (fairly minor) problems with the article.

First, the source for this:

"In that moment, [Revan] drew upon the Sith energies of the planet to augment his power"

Is Chronicles of the Old Republic Part X, which details the defeat of the mandalorians at Malachor V:

he lead the Republic forces to victory over the Mandalorians in the skies above Malachor V, and forces them to surrender. Revan is able to draw upon the dark side energies of the planet below and use it during the battle, destroying the Mandalore and ending the Mandalorian threat. Simultaneously, more and more Jedi, unable to ignore the power emanating from the planet below, become corrupted by its influence.

I've bolded the relevant section. You'll notice that there is absolutely no mention of the Mass Shadow Generator *at all*. Revan is stated to have used the "dark side energies" of the planet to destroy Mandalore and end the threat of the Mandalorians. It seems to me that, rather than being an accurate reflection of what happened, this is yet another instance of the Chronicles author getting his wires crossed. Because, in all honesty, this section reads to me as if the "sith energies" take the place of the Mass Shadow Generator in this version.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Revan had used the Sith energies of Malachor V to energise himself during the battle... but I think it's far from a canonical certainty. Though maybe you all think I'm reading it wrong.

Secondly, the article ends with Revan declaring himself Dark Lord of the Sith in the aftermath. All in-game evidence (as opposed to just the speculation of the KotOR masters) from KotOR II points towards Revan having been the Dark Lord of the Sith before the Battle of Malachor V began.

I mean, hell, if we go by the Chronicles then Revan became the Dark Lord of the Sith before he'd even sent out his call to arms for all the Jedi. The deceitful cur.(Ulicus 16:40, 11 October 2007 (UTC))

• We can't call that an inconsistency, more than an ambiguous statement. For all we know, the MSG works by using the dark side of the Force to destroy the planet. Jasca Ducato _{Sith Council} 08:38, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Actually, KotOR:TSL agrees with the Chronicles. A loading screen from Malachor V states:

"Revan used the Trayus Academy to influence the battle above Malachor V, using its power to affect the tide of battle and corrupt others to the Sith."

―loading screen^[src]--Sentry 21:51, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Couldn't Revan have used both the dark side energies and the Mass Shadow Generator? He could have used the sith energies to corrupt his jedi and increase their power, while the Mass Shadow Generator destroyed the planet itself. 70.26.53.110 15:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Inconsistent + a lot of info left out

This article seems somewhat disjointed. In Kotor 2 we learn that Bao Dur designed the Mass Shadow generator and that the Exile led the Republic fleet that went up against the Mandos in the final battle.

We also know that Exile, and the Jedi she was leading were mistrusted by Revan and so he hoped that the catastrophy of the MSG would either kill these Jedi (the Exile included) or turn them to the dark side.

The part about Revan using the planet's energy to turn the tide of the war is not consistent with what was happening in this battle. It is true he came at the end , but that was after the MSG was used, he was not exposed to the after effects of the Mass Shadow Generator.

That's why it fascinated many that the Exile survived without turning to the dark side. Every other Jedi was turned or crushed by the MSG.

After the MSG crushed most of the Mando fleet, Revan arrived with his fleet fought the survivors and rounded them up to disarm them & officially make the Mando surrender.

Also Revan used the dark side on Malachor 5 to turn Jedi but that was usually a process that involved capturing and torture etc etc What happened with the MSG was supposed to speed up the process.

• Read Quote:Battle of Malachor V please. You will find that the various sources are incredibly inconsistent when it comes to descriptions of the battle. And I don't want to even talk about all of the poorly researched nonsense about Malachor that was added into canon by the KotOR CG. The current page is an attempt to reconcile all of the information that we have at our disposal; it isn't perfect, but it can't be until some kindly author comes along to straighten it all out.–Sentry 02:21, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Fighting on the Planet

It says in the article that Revan struck down Mandalore the Ultimate in single combat. Does this mean that there was fighting on the planet's surface during the battle? Maxi6^{(Feel The Force!)} 20:06, 12 June 2009 (UTC)Maxi6

• No one can answer that question at the moment.--Sentry 05:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
  • OK, thanks. Maxi6^{(Feel The Force!)} 22:06, 13 June 2009 (UTC)Maxi6

Revan's fight with Mandalore

Couldn't both be true? Revan defeated Mandalore in Hand to Hand, and then executed him? They'd go together well, and it makes sense.--Allurade Dendra 00:36, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Outcome

Changing outcome from pyrrhic Republic Victory to Decisive Republic victory.

Why it's not pyrrhic - denoting a battle as a pyrrhic victory means that the victor's casualties were so extreme, the victors were prevented from achieving further successes in the war/campaign. This is not the case as, while the Republic took extreme losses, they still maintained effective fighting capability and the Mandalorian military was almost wiped out (and forced to surrender, ending the war)

Why it's decisive - the battle completely obliterated the Mandalorians' will and capability to continue fighting and they were forced to surrender, ending the war with Republic victory. Essentially, this was the final decisive battle that won the war for the Republic.

184.146.83.217 23:24, May 25, 2013 (UTC)