Children of the Jedi
- This could be the type of Y-wing that Geith flew against the Eye of Palpatine in 18 BBY. We could mention this, here, but only as a possible appearance, as it is just speculation --80.42.83.65 21:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
true it is worth a mentoin though i think other members will need more hard core prove than what is currently known but who knows people could add more to it then it could be added
- I extremely doubt this was the type mentioned in Children of the Jedi, seeing this Y-wing wasn't even created until this year. It might be retconned, but I doubt that as well. Grand Moff Tranner
(Comlink) 11:49, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Why do you doubt that retcon? Of course the first part of your statement is true...the original author certainly didn't intend for this model to be Geith's, as it didn't exist. But it is actually very likely, and in keeping with how things tend to be done, for a retcon making this the model Geith used to be made. Jenosidanian 06:33, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
- Refresh my memory, did Callista and Geith come in the same Y=wing, or in separate Y-wings? That might give us a clue if they were in a two-seat or one-seat model?JustinGann 14:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Name
- Where does the name BTL-B appear? I have found no clue at all on the TCG cards. So please show the card as proof. Otherwise, this name is purely fanon. --Sompeetalay 18:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, I am also curious. To me this just seems like a stock BTL-S3 Y-wing, since the Rebels modified Y-Wings to remove much of the armor. It seems most likely this is what the ship originally looked like. Couple that with the fact that as far as I know, there have been no canon pictures of the BTL-S3 Y-wing yet. Tony Knightcrawer 09:26, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
- There is indeed a TCG card that mentions the full name :) --Sompeetalay 13:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- The Star Wars Databank lists it as the BTL-B. Gethralkin 06:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- There is indeed a TCG card that mentions the full name :) --Sompeetalay 13:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, I am also curious. To me this just seems like a stock BTL-S3 Y-wing, since the Rebels modified Y-Wings to remove much of the armor. It seems most likely this is what the ship originally looked like. Couple that with the fact that as far as I know, there have been no canon pictures of the BTL-S3 Y-wing yet. Tony Knightcrawer 09:26, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Art
You can see the bubble model alluded to in the BTS in the Making of SW book illustrationsJustinGann 14:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Ya there is no dought that this model is based off the very origional Y-wing.Sith-venator 22:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
New Designation
The Clone Wars Campaign Guide has given a new Y-Wing designation, BTL-S1, and judgeing form the context, it's referring to this craft. As it's the more recent publication, don't we need to move this article to BTL-S1 Y-Wing starfighter? Dangerdan97 23:05, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- Oi vey. I'll look into it. Graestan(Talk) 23:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- There is no reason to move this article. BTL-S1 would be a new article. The BTL-B is the initial craft and used by Shadow and Hunter Squadrons, as stated by the Star Wars Databank. "The initial BTL-B bomber was a double-seater craft with a forward-facing pilot, and a tailgunner in a rotating bubble turret... Koensayr testing facilities could barely keep up for the demand on the fighter, which were rushed into service on bombing runs at Gwori and in defense of Kaliida Shoals Med-Center. Notable Y-wing units of the era include Shadow Squadron and Hunter Squadron." Gethralkin 06:15, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- And the newer sourcebook describes the BTL-S1 thusly: "The first iteration of the starfighter that will continue to serve a military function for decades to come,the Koensayr BTL-S1 is the multipurpose predecessor to the Y-wing fighter used by the Rebel Alliance at the Battle of Yavin... The most obvious difference can be seen in the co-pilot's placement in the ship; the co-pilot sits in a gunnery bubble behind the pilot, which swivels..." (emphasis mine). There is also a drawing showing the same gold-marked Y-Wing design we see in the cartoon accompanying the entry. The only difference between the two different designations IS the two different designations. Dangerdan97 22:59, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- This is likely a presumption on the part of the writers of the book, being that the "iteration" that the Rebel Alliance had access to was the BTL-S3. The writers likely made the erroneous assumption that the first of the line of Y-wings developed by Koensayr was an S1 model. This kind of typo happens all the time. The correct usage is BTL-B, as that is the designation listed by all other valid Clone Wars TV series sources. As this campaign book is a supplement to the Star Wars role-playing game, it is considered C-canon; while information from the TV series itself is T-canon, which takes precedence over C-canon. Therefore, the TV series' designation of the Republic Y-wing as the "BTL-B Y-wing starfighter" takes precedence over the nomenclature found in the RPG book. Gethralkin 05:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- I concur; site precedent has long been to use the most prevalent of contemporary sources, if all released within a short span of time (>5 years). Making a note in the BtS as to the S1 designation would be appropriate. As far as levels of canon go, LFL's of the mind that there really aren't "levels," per say, just an order of precedence in terms of major conflicts of continuity, which this certainly is not. Graestan(Talk) 05:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- BTS note added. Gethralkin 05:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- I concur; site precedent has long been to use the most prevalent of contemporary sources, if all released within a short span of time (>5 years). Making a note in the BtS as to the S1 designation would be appropriate. As far as levels of canon go, LFL's of the mind that there really aren't "levels," per say, just an order of precedence in terms of major conflicts of continuity, which this certainly is not. Graestan(Talk) 05:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- This is likely a presumption on the part of the writers of the book, being that the "iteration" that the Rebel Alliance had access to was the BTL-S3. The writers likely made the erroneous assumption that the first of the line of Y-wings developed by Koensayr was an S1 model. This kind of typo happens all the time. The correct usage is BTL-B, as that is the designation listed by all other valid Clone Wars TV series sources. As this campaign book is a supplement to the Star Wars role-playing game, it is considered C-canon; while information from the TV series itself is T-canon, which takes precedence over C-canon. Therefore, the TV series' designation of the Republic Y-wing as the "BTL-B Y-wing starfighter" takes precedence over the nomenclature found in the RPG book. Gethralkin 05:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- And the newer sourcebook describes the BTL-S1 thusly: "The first iteration of the starfighter that will continue to serve a military function for decades to come,the Koensayr BTL-S1 is the multipurpose predecessor to the Y-wing fighter used by the Rebel Alliance at the Battle of Yavin... The most obvious difference can be seen in the co-pilot's placement in the ship; the co-pilot sits in a gunnery bubble behind the pilot, which swivels..." (emphasis mine). There is also a drawing showing the same gold-marked Y-Wing design we see in the cartoon accompanying the entry. The only difference between the two different designations IS the two different designations. Dangerdan97 22:59, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- There is no reason to move this article. BTL-S1 would be a new article. The BTL-B is the initial craft and used by Shadow and Hunter Squadrons, as stated by the Star Wars Databank. "The initial BTL-B bomber was a double-seater craft with a forward-facing pilot, and a tailgunner in a rotating bubble turret... Koensayr testing facilities could barely keep up for the demand on the fighter, which were rushed into service on bombing runs at Gwori and in defense of Kaliida Shoals Med-Center. Notable Y-wing units of the era include Shadow Squadron and Hunter Squadron." Gethralkin 06:15, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- So, what's the new justification for the move? I hope it isn't just because it was someone higher up the food chain than me ;) Dangerdan97 22:26, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
- There is no justification for moving an article over a typo. Nor is inclusion of the typo in the main text of the article when it is clearly referred to as BTL-B in the current series. The mention of the typo reference in the Bts section is sufficient. Gethralkin 23:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Anakin's Y-WING??
Should we make an article about Anakins Y-wing because it has a different paint scheme. —Unsigned comment by Butters4115 (talk • contribs)
- You need to sign your posts on Talk pages with four tildes (~~~~). It doesn't need it's own article, since Anakin and Ahsoka only flew it for the mission against the Malevolence. They were really only temporarily assigned, whereas the two Jedi mainly used their Delta-7Bs during that part of the war. It would be much the same as making an article for Obi-Wan's blue Eta-2 starfighter, which wouldn't be necessary because it was only borrowed by Obi-Wan from Aayla Secura for a brief period. Or like creating an article for Chewbacca's AT-ST that he commandeered from the Imperials. Gethralkin 03:18, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
- Well, there is precedent for such articles, actually. Anakin Skywalker's Delta-7B Aethersprite-class light interceptor, Anakin Skywalker's red Delta-7 Aethersprite-class light interceptor, Anakin Skywalker's Eta-2 Actis-class light interceptor, Darth Vader's Eta-2 Actis-class light interceptor, Darth Vader's TIE Advanced x1. Graestan(Talk) 03:24, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
- However, all of the ships you mentioned were remarkably personalized and customized in some way by or for the owner, Anakin. Even the red Delta-7B, which appears to be a "hand-me-down", was altered by Anakin to seat a passenger. The Y-wings, however, were acquired in bulk for the purpose of taking down larger targets, like the Malevolence. It had no enhancements beyond the manufacturer's specifications, and was only used by Anakin and his padawan for that mission because the Delta-7Bs were not outfitted appropriately for such a strike. Plo Koon went along as a support in his fighter, but would not have been able to contribute to the main function of the mission - the bombing run of the Malevolence bridge. Gethralkin 03:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
- Well, there is precedent for such articles, actually. Anakin Skywalker's Delta-7B Aethersprite-class light interceptor, Anakin Skywalker's red Delta-7 Aethersprite-class light interceptor, Anakin Skywalker's Eta-2 Actis-class light interceptor, Darth Vader's Eta-2 Actis-class light interceptor, Darth Vader's TIE Advanced x1. Graestan(Talk) 03:24, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Hyperdrive
Was there a relation with the Y bomber and the hyper drive —Unsigned comment by Star11scream (talk • contribs)
The Weapons?
Just wondering, are the Ion cannons on the turret, or are they the ones in the front of the ship? Thanks. ARC Commander Zek 22:43, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
i don't think there are any ion cannons on this fighter, because i have seen both the turret and the front cannons firing and hitting enemy fighters, and the fighters exploded both times. i don't think it has ion cannons at all. —Unsigned comment by 76.106.169.192 (talk • contribs)
- Doesn't matter what you think, sources confirm ion weaponry on the turret. Your eyes can deceive you, so don't trust them. -Zekk_Skywalk 22:35, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
- actually, there are two barrrels on each side of the turret, so maybe they have both but were using the blasters on all the episodes we have seen so far. think it's possible? i do. Ralphjedimaster 21:05, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
no ions for sure
- i have seen both the front cannons and the turrets fire and both times the ships exploded, so there are obviously no ion cannons on the fighter. Ralphjedimaster 03:13, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
- i don't think so anymore. i have seen that there are two barrels on each side of the turret, so maybe it has laser cannons (fired from the lower barrel) and ions on the top barrels. i think that's is most likely what it is. Ralphjedimaster 21:12, September 26, 2010 (UTC)