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The Battle Droids and the Phase II Clone troopers are the Imperial Stormtroopers of the prequel trilogy. -- Eddyward Telerionus 18:52, 6 Aug 2005 (UTC)

B1Droid 06:59, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Split it!

This article should be split in two. The B1 model refers ONLY to the non-colored infantry droid. The colored specialists, which have more intelligence and independence, are known as OOM droids, a separate model, and should have a separate article. Note that both Arms & Equipment Guide and the WOTC official site indicate the security, pilots, and officers (red, blue, and yellow) are all programmed variants of the OOM model. The droid marine probably is as well.JustinGann 10:59, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)

  • This article does not need to be split. They were all B-1 battle droids, no matter what color. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:53, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)
    • But we have individual articles for many other varients of weapons and droids. Why can't there be an OOM article? -- Riffsyphon1024 21:27, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)
      • An OOM article, yes, but we don't have to split the article. They were are B-1s. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:30, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)
        • Nebulax, can you provide proof they are all B1s--that any save the infantry standard are B1s? I can provide proof they are not. Arms & Equipment guide first indicated that the pilots, officers, and security were OOM models (with separate stats from B1s) and this was reconfirmed by Artificial Armies. [1]
          • You mean you're getting stats from Wizards of the Coast? Come on, already. And plus, they are all variants of the B-1 model. I said that an OOM article would be fine, but they are obviously all variants of the B-1. I never said they were all the same, as they were obviously not. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:58, 9 Dec 2005 (UTC)
            • WOTC is canon unless trumped by something. And they are not "obviously" all variants of the B1 model. while physically similar, the OOM line is more independent, more intelligent, and more sophisiticated as far as internal programming goes. They are SIMILAR to B1s, but not B1s. In fact, the OOM line predates the B1 line by many years. Note CoD, in which it is explained that the B1 was new as of 33 BBY, and was basically a dumb-downed version of the OOM. This is the canon evidence, and unless you have some contradictory canon evidence other than what you feel is obvious, should be reflected on WIKI. ;) JustinGann 22:56, 9 Dec 2005 (UTC)
            • Well, if it's canon, then we should have an OOM article. But at least keep the majority of this article the same. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:02, 9 Dec 2005 (UTC)
              • Okay, is there going to be an OOM command droid, OOM security droid, and OOM pilot droid or not? Admiral J. Nebulax 15:46, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Gray B-1?

http://[spamfilter]/img59/1954/grayb18ve.jpg

  • It's probably just a blur because the droid was running when the picture was taken. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:13, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Or maybe its a B2 battle droid.

Pic?

Can we not get a better pic? We need one showing standard infantry droids, not security droids.

  • Not really; a B-1 battle droid is a B-1 battle droid. Yes, some were used as commanders, security officers, pilots, etc., but they all have the basic features. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:11, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I know they are all B-1s. We just need a more...generalized pic.
  • How do we upload pictures? I could upload several high-res pics showing each type of droid, or a low-res showing the first four, and another showing the marine.
    • Under toolbox, click upload file, and follow the directions. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:47, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Thank you.

Compact Droid Storage

Exactly what is the size of a B1 when folded for compact storage? I assume it must be roughly one cubic meter, because I've seen people stating that Core Ships can hold 66 million of these creatures, and the only reference I can find is the 66 million cubic meter cargo hold. Which leads me to wonder why the massively larger full Lucrehulks Battleship would only carry some 229,000 going by the number of C9979 Landing Ships they carry.

  • Episode I Incredible Cross-Sections might state the size when they're in storage. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) Imperial Emblem 21:53, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
  • I don't believe that particular book does, at least I haven't been able to locate that information between its covers.--66.188.62.225 19:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Red Battle droids in AOTC

In AOTC, the B-1s on a Geonosis have a red tint to their bodies. This red tint also appears on a great deal of AOTC's merchandise. Should this be incorporated into the article?

  • I believe this article used to state they were used for desert terrain warfare. Since it has been removed, I believe that was fanon and that their peculiar colouring was given to all droids produced from the Geonosis factories.

Marine?

The marines are from BF2, and are not neccasarily canon.

Designation

Is the designation "B1" or "B-1"? I can't actually find the source of that designation - it doesn't appear in the films, scripts or Visual Dictionaries. CUSWE lists it as "B1", and the contents of the New Essential Guide to Droids, as posted on this Wiki, also call it "B1" (though that may be an error on the part of whoever posted it here; I don't yet have the book, so I can't check). I'll try and find the first use of the designation. If it needs to be changed, it would also affect B-2 battle droid and B-3 ultra battle droid - Kwenn 07:41, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I'll be getting the book by Monday, so I'll check it then. But, despite the fact that I'd prefer the "-" in there, there is the matter of the cortosis battle droid's designation apparently from the book: "C-B3 cortosis battle droid". "C" must stand for cortosis, but we're left with "B3", clearly showing that there were two types of the B3 or B-3. If TNEGtD says B1, B2, and B3, then we'll have to use those instead. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 12:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Personalities

  • Did anyone notice that in Episode III, B1 and B2 units seemed to have formed personalities. The B1 that handed Anakin and Obi-wan's lightsabers to Grievous says "you're welcome" sarcastically. The two B2s in the Invisible Hand's hanger show a dislike of astromech droids. Could this just be some quirk in the central control computer?--4.156.51.249 03:56, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
    • It's hard to say, but its likely they were upgraded with intelligence. -- Riffsyphon1024 04:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
  • They don't appear to be that much smarter. Actually, I think I may have a good explanation. B2 units were not controlled by a central control computer and that B1 unit may have been a commander, which would have intelligence apart from the central control computer.--Darth Oblivion 04:36, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Take it with a grain of salt. Droids were never meant to be smarted than sentient beings. ;) -- Riffsyphon1024 04:53, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I think there are some droids smarter than sentients though. I guess it depends on the type of intelligence you are reffering to.--Darth Oblivion 04:59, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Uh, the Separatist Droid Army wasn't controlled by a central control computer at all. The closest things was the deactivation signal sent from Mustafar. Anyway, I don't think intelligence has any role in this. Being around organic commanders might have been a strong factor. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 13:11, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
      • And going without a memory wipe for a long time is supposed to make droids shift away from their primary programming and develop personality quirks. R2-D2 is living (well, not-living) proof. These droids could have been around since pre-Battle of Naboo, and have developed a personality - Kwenn 16:12, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

This is a possible explanation. Or it was a part of their program. Because their commanders were (as HK-47 said) "organic meatbags".

Camo Battle Droids?

http://starwars.com/community/event/con/f20060718/20060718_picview_hasbro/img/17.jpg --Rune Haako 15:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Gungan Resemblance?

GunganBattleDroid-BTCG

From this photo, doesn't it seem that Gungans and the B-1 Battle Droids look similar? It could be just me, but the long face, the long neck, the "pegs" on the back of the Battle Droid's head, and of course the joints and such. I'm not sure if it could be mentioned in the entry(not without listing countless other species), but I would at least guess the Droids might look to the Gungans like corpses as well.--RogueJedi86 18:18, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, one thing's for sure: B1 battle droids weren't designed to look like Gungans. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 21:01, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I agree about the face and joints but the rest looks quite different to me. Malak501 06:14, 09 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I think it was Patricia C. Wrede's junior novelisation of TPM that said that the Battle Droids resembled a Gungan skeleton...or was it a Neimodian skeleton? .... 00:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
      • I don't have the novel, but I do know they were meant to resemble Neimoidian skeletons. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 00:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
        • Though that has, post-AotC, been retconned to be a vain Neimoidian belief, since they're actually modelled on their Geonosian creators. The NEGD even states some fearful 'moids see a resemblance with a rotting Neimoidian skull - \\Captain Kwenn// — Ahoy! 18:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
          • Wait, the Geonosians didn't create them. Unless there were some Geonosians in Baktoid Combat Automata that decided to make the droids look like them, I don't think so. And really, the B1s are based off Neimoidian skeletons—although those skeletons belong to concept art for Neimoidians. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 20:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
            • It's canon, the NEGD says so. There must have been Geos somewhere in the production stages - \\Captain Kwenn// — Ahoy! 20:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

For The Phantom Menace, the concept artists and George Lucas intended them to resemble Gungan skeletons for the "nature vs machines"/"life vs death" design trope. The in-universe explanation for their appearance was ultimately hand waved as being based on Neimoidian skeletons because they never established an in-universe reason for the B1s to resemble Gungan skeletons specifically. Then for Attack of the Clones, the B1's design origins were retconned - the Geonosians were introduced and designed to look like the B1s were based on them instead. Logan Felipe (talk) 22:55, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Republic Commando Battle Droid

These is a version of the B1 Battle Droid that appears in Republic Commando that lloks different. Does anybody know why this is? it has odd rings around its 'eyes' and some colouring is changed. Should this be incorporated into the article?

  • Isn't that just a type of Geonosisan soldier? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 12:25, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Erm... Don't think so. I mean, it's definitely a Battle Droid and not a Geonosian, and I seem to remember coming across an article in one of the designer diaries stating that they wanted to make the B1s look different for RC. I have a picture... somewhere...

Here is the image (and yes, it is definitely different):

B1AdvancedBattleDroid

CommanderJB 10:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Ah. Well, since B2 is already taken, this is probably just a specialized variant. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 11:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
    • I'd chalk it up to simply being the artistic license of the game. The website specifically identifies them as the regular infantry of the Trade Federation, so they're not anything really special. -LtNOWIS 22:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Ah, I see. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 23:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
      • I agree about artistic lisence - these droids are far too commonplace to be some kind of rare variant, and throughout Republic Commando there are aesthetic inconsistensies with the rest of Star Wars, such as the wookiees' size. This is probably just part of creating the game's atmosphere, which is far grittier than most Star Wars material. Darth NWNN 20:50, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I doubt they're specialized, they aren't tough.--1upD 22:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

  • It would be advantagous for clones to think so when that's not true.

Maybe It's a prototype Commando Droid

B1 battle droids part of the Zann Consortium?

According to the article Consortium Army (Which will soon be deleted) B1 Battle droids are part of the Zann Consortium. Are they really in this game? They could be cut out content. Or is this a joke?-User: Admiral jolyon

If that is the case, I will remove that part from the article Zann Consortium as we deal with Canon information not Fanon. User: Admiral jolyon

I think that fanon was there because many modifications for Forces of Corruption add the battle droids as part of the Zann Consortium army.--1upD 22:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Colors

In the clone army. the clones with red on ther armor are captans. and the clones with yellow on ther armor are commanders. maybe it's that way with battle droids.Thire 4477 06:48, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Thire 4477 01:07, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Voice

Does somebody know who voiced the battle droids in the films? In Star Wars: Clone Wars it was André Sogliuzzo.

They are stronger than they look.

I will not be able to provide an image (I do not know how to extract images from the DVD, and I am confused by technical explanations on the topic), but if you look closely in the background of the battle of the grassy plains (after the gungan shield is brought down, and before the droids deactivate), you will notice that some of the driods are successfully defeating gungans in hand to hand combat. Should this be noted? Wilhelm screamer 21:45, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

  • If you've got a standard keyboard and PC, press the Print Screen button to take a snapshot. It'll work as if you right-clicked and pressed 'Copy' on the image, so just go into o MS Paint or whatever and click 'Edit' and then 'Paste' and upload that for us. Then we can see what you're talking about. -- Zelda Death 01:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
    • I've seen B1s fighting gungans in the battle, and I've seen B1s easily killing clone troopers in ROTS. The whole "weakness" thing is overhyped by the EU. VT-16 13:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
      • OK, I now restarting topics after a long time is not good but may I admit that "Jedi Trial" states that a B1 would be able to rip of a human´s ear.Commander Rob 13:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Compact/Deactivated Form

How bout adding a picture of a B1 Battle Droid in its folded up form? 98.166.57.204 04:45, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

1 quintillion

This number is a non-sense.

  • 333,333,333,333,333 B1 for each clone. Even by killing 1 B1 by seconde during one year without sleeping, eating or going to WC, a clone would only destroy 31,536,000 B1, hardly 1/10,000,000th the number of B1 he has to face...
  • Maybe 500.000 B1 in one Trade Federation battleship (standard cargo plus passenger capacity).

2.000 battleships, if this fleet even exists in SW universe, would carry 1 billion of B1, only the 1/1,000,000,000th of the total production. Do 99.999999999...% of B1 have to remain in their factories??? Does it worth to build soldiers you cannot transport?

  • Since Naboo, the future CIS would have built 3.17 billion B1/sec during 10 years. One seconde of production would be sufficient to overwhelm the poor 3 millions clones or rivals the hypothetic 2 billions stormtroopers during the Civil War...

Will Lucasfilm modify this weird number? (And get some mathematicians for numbers, cargo capacities, etc.)

Geopolis 08:38, 28 September 2008 (UTC)GeopolisGeopolis 08:38, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm a guest but i read in a book that palps made that number up to keep the war going.

B1 security battle droids???

How is it that in SSA-306, SSA-719 and SSA-1015 entries, these security battle droids are affiliated to "B1 security battle droids" while they're meant to be OOM-series security battle droids? Geopolis 04:29, 8 October 2008 (UTC)Geopolis

OOM is the model name, SSA is part of the identification number. -RandomBattleDroid

assualt droid

are the battlefront CIS assault droids merely to fill that trooper class or are they actualy a varient of the B1?-anonomos

Fanon

I noticed that the clone trooper that said the quote "For all the droidekas and superweapons that you destroy, the B1 will get you by the end of the day" is from a legion that is fanon. Could someone please get a different quote? We don't need fanon elements on Wookieepedia. JediCommando 02:07, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Done. -LtNOWIS 02:15, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

"Comical" Battle Droids

Shouldn't it atleast be mentioned somewhere in this article about how these droids have been turned into jokes starting with ROTS? Remember, how the voice of the B1 and B2 droids just magically changed in that movie so they would sound kiddy and comical instead of robotic and emotionless? Now, we got the new The Clone Wars series where these droids have been turned into complete jokes... acting in a very unrealistic matter (really, for droids that are meant to be just soldiers, they sure have great AI because they can do all these [Redacted by administration] actions) and doing nothing but comic relief with their kiddy voices and their cowardice. 173.79.185.96 18:13, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

  • I'm thinking... no. We don't add information based on opinion. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 18:16, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
    • This is not an opinion fool. It is fact so don't be keeping your head up your... you know. It is fact that the voice of the droids became kiddy sounding starting with ROTS whereas their voices were originally robotic and emotionless sounding in TPM and AOTC. Also, it is fact that the droids have been mainly used for comic relief in The Clones War so shutup with that opinion BS. 173.79.185.96 20:43, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
    • Saying they are a joke is defenetly an opinion

Yeah I agree, I just finished watching Series 2 Episode 2 of The Clone Wars series. The battle droids have quirky personalities and act comical in bad situations. I don't have much of a problem with it but it does seem quite unrealistic... what kind of organisation would develop battle droids with comical personalities?

  • This article is from "The Essential Guide to Warfare" This explains why they act that way.

Following the Trade Federation's defeat on Naboo, it ordered many first-generation B1 Battle Droids retrofitted with cognitive modules that allowed independent thought. That prevented remote shutdowns and let the Separatists teach the droids new things by uploading new programming. With separatist warships light on organic crew members. B1's were programmed to serves a number of roles, from pilots and gunners to emergency responders.

But the B1's were being pushed to the limits of their programming. Retrofits allowed them to perform more specialized tasks, but they weren't very good at them-and the Separatists needed newer, more powerful cognitive modules for more capable war droids. Maintenance also became a problem; Diagnostics and memory de-fragmentation routines had a nasty habit of erasing the retrofitted B1's specialty programming and heuristics, and so were frequently skipped.

Without proper maintenance many early B1's cognitive models suffered data corruption and system errors, leading to shutdowns or behavior anomalies . To the annoyance of Separatist commanders, retrofitted B1's often became "chatty" offering running commentaries to their situations as their modules struggled to process data overflows.

Design?

In Star Wars: The Complete Visual Dictionary it states that the driods were built to resemble skeletal Neimoidian bodies to appear threatening. Can we change that first sentence talking about the design of their heads? It suggests that it was just their head that was modeled after neimoidians. TK-299 (Click Here) Imperial Emblem 11:31, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Clone wars battle droid ....

Has anyone noticed that in the Clone wars B1s only have one antena and in the movies they have two. I mean really.What does the second antena even do

The answer: The art Style

Zann Consortium and Black Sun

"Some of these droids were used by the Zann Consortium and Black Sun pirates." – line 114

What source is this information from? - Alta Ranga 14:37, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
Does nobody know the source? Finally I'm not able to ask the responsible User because the edits have been made by an IP. If noone knows the source, the information should be removed from the article. Probably it is only fanon. - Alta Ranga 05:51, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
In Star Wars EAW Forces of Corruption (The only appearance of the Consortium I think) there is a droideka unit available for Zann but ONLY the droideka. as Alta Ranga said it is probably fanon. Engineered

is there a single b1 that stands out? better than the rest,and the best of the best?

really no b1 has done anything like performing extremely well or a normal b1 being the equivalent of an arc trooper? or stands out of line,questions orders,ran away from the army,not being another puppet of a droid command signal?

yes and no:yes-there are a few b1s that did standout (the more efficient ones)ex. oom9,the lone battle droid. no-they stand out yes but...they are the ones that did not do much only commands the rest(oom9)

Cost

Do we have any idea how much they cost, if not a precis number then the price range?

The OOM series battle droid

Has there ever been a reasonable explanation as to what exactly OOM stands for? Just curious. Taliesin2 05:09, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

B1 Variants from BF and BF2

I have heard that the Battle Droids in BF and BF2 (video games) are B1's. Some say they are OOM's. The Droids I am referring to are as follows: 

            Assault Battle Droid
            Assassin/Sniper Droid
            Engineer Battle Droid
            Droid Marine
      If someone could say whether or not they are B1 Battle Droids or OOM-series Battle Droids. Because there is some proof that they are OOM's (color-coded specialists) in the article, however they are listed as B1's in the article, too. Please reply. I personally say they are B1's, I just need proof.

Sophisticated Tactics?

The article currently says "B1 droids often employed sophisticated tactics in battle. Massed parade ranks or simple swarms were used..."

Shouldn't that be "unsophisticated"? 109.151.138.148 07:55, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

Edits

Just added a section on the Battle of Geonosis and removed the "We're doomed!" header. If I missed anything, please notify me.76.127.239.163 11:50, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Why is there no canon article?

Why is there no canon article for this? They obviously appear in Episodes 1 thru 3 so I don't get it. The article would be short but that makes no difference.

  • The only reason one doesn't already exist is because it hasn't been created yet. Supreme Emperor (talk) 13:34, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

What are B1s made out of?

I've checked both the Canon and Legends articles and I've found no mention of what materials B1s are composed of.--2601:445:8280:1A40:4528:C838:3C9B:5613 09:21, October 26, 2017 (UTC)