This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or, if the page was deleted, in the Senate Hall rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Delete. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:18, October 11, 2014 (UTC)
Wookieepedia:Wikia tour (history - links - logs - delete - protect)
A defunct Wikia project from almost a decade ago that never took off. There's no point in keeping these anymore. This TC applies to all of the subpages, as well.
Delete
- Cade
Calrayn 19:40, October 4, 2014 (UTC) - Basically superseded by the localized version of Help:Contents. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 19:43, October 4, 2014 (UTC)
- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:03, October 4, 2014 (UTC)
- Exiled Jedi
(Greetings) 20:15, October 4, 2014 (UTC) - Trust your Staff, folks. Corellian Premier
The Force will be with you always 00:43, October 5, 2014 (UTC) - Jangeth (Talk) 01:51, October 5, 2014 (UTC)
- Trip391 (talk) 03:34, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
- IFYLOFD (Enter the Floydome) 03:37, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
- COMMUNIST TOMFOOLERY -- Darth Culator (Talk) 02:32, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
- While I like the linear introduction the tour offers (think "tutorial level"), I'm not sure the Wikia tour is the way to accomplish this. Unfortunate, really. Old me had a lot of fun working on it. Jorrel
Fraajic 03:12, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
Keep
Discussion
To repeat what I said when I declined the CSD tag on this a few months ago: While the Wikia-wide project is defunct, would there be any benefit to keeping the tour around, but modified as a local project for use in introducing new users to the site? Once appropriately modified, it could be given a prominent link in both welcome templates, at Wookieepedia:Welcome, newcomers, and from the Oasis top navigation to make it as visible as possible to new users. I personally think there could be a lot of potential in using it this way, and it may help with getting newbies to read at least the core policies before making major edits. Anyone else feel this could be a good idea? —MJ— Council Chambers 23:54, October 4, 2014 (UTC)
- I think that could be done with the localized version of help pages, as well as a greater emphasis on creating guide pages. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 23:58, October 4, 2014 (UTC)
- The problem with the help pages is that it leaves the reader to navigate on their own, which means they may miss important stuff (quite possibly because they only look up one thing and don't bother to read the rest). Also, help pages are for showing the basics of how to do things; they are not a substitute for the actual policies, and people need to read the actual policies. And I suspect that most don't bother reading policies until they're given a link to one in a warning on their talk page, and then they probably don't read beyond that one policy.
The advantage of this tour is it shows people around in a guided, linear fashion; emphasis on "linear" because that means readers of the tour must click through every page, not just skip to the single portion they're looking for. And with proper summaries in the tour template identifying the important points (this is the "guided" portion), I think they will be more likely to take the time to read everything on their own instead of having to be pushed and prodded into reading policies via warnings and/or blocks.
And as a final note, the most critical help pages (maybe Help:Editing and Help:Contents) should be stops on the tour in their own right. My recommendation would be to place the editing help page mid- to late-tour, after the core policies (so people don't quit the tour before seeing the core policies), and Help:Contents should be the final stop. —MJ— Jedi Council Chambers 00:12, October 5, 2014 (UTC)
- When I say use help and guide pages, I mean reformat that them (and, in the case of guides, write more of them) into such a way that people can go from one to the next, in a linear way. There's no real sense keeping these tour pages when we have pre-existing (and better) pages that can be reorganized to accomplish the same goal. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 00:26, October 5, 2014 (UTC)
- That means putting in extra effort to write and improve all of those pages, then more effort to keep them up to date (reality: they'll probably get ignored). We already have a great infrastructure that utilizes the pre-existing and original policies and pages that are always kept up-to-date. And furthermore, if you want this to be redone with help and guide pages, how would it be possible to present stuff in the tour like the current contents of WP:FA (useful for showing existing FA as examples of proper article writing) or the forums? Stuff like that must be done with transclusion of the live pages, and the existing tour provides a great infrastructure for that. Why blow it up and start over when it already serves the basic purpose we need? Sure, it needs some work, but don't demolish the house when it just needs some simple repairs. —MJ— Holocomm 00:42, October 5, 2014 (UTC)
- Why blow it up and start over when it already serves the basic purpose we need? Silly MJ. Because we like blowing things up. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 02:32, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
- That means putting in extra effort to write and improve all of those pages, then more effort to keep them up to date (reality: they'll probably get ignored). We already have a great infrastructure that utilizes the pre-existing and original policies and pages that are always kept up-to-date. And furthermore, if you want this to be redone with help and guide pages, how would it be possible to present stuff in the tour like the current contents of WP:FA (useful for showing existing FA as examples of proper article writing) or the forums? Stuff like that must be done with transclusion of the live pages, and the existing tour provides a great infrastructure for that. Why blow it up and start over when it already serves the basic purpose we need? Sure, it needs some work, but don't demolish the house when it just needs some simple repairs. —MJ— Holocomm 00:42, October 5, 2014 (UTC)
- When I say use help and guide pages, I mean reformat that them (and, in the case of guides, write more of them) into such a way that people can go from one to the next, in a linear way. There's no real sense keeping these tour pages when we have pre-existing (and better) pages that can be reorganized to accomplish the same goal. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 00:26, October 5, 2014 (UTC)
- The problem with the help pages is that it leaves the reader to navigate on their own, which means they may miss important stuff (quite possibly because they only look up one thing and don't bother to read the rest). Also, help pages are for showing the basics of how to do things; they are not a substitute for the actual policies, and people need to read the actual policies. And I suspect that most don't bother reading policies until they're given a link to one in a warning on their talk page, and then they probably don't read beyond that one policy.