This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or, if the page was deleted, in the Senate Hall rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Redirect Wookieepedia:Images and media for deletion to Wookieepedia:Speedy deletions; delete [[Template:Ifd]]. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:28, April 24, 2014 (UTC)
IFD, or "that obsolete system that was used tonight for the first time in a year and a half"
- Wookieepedia:Images and media for deletion (talk - history - links - logs - delete - protect)
- Template:Ifd (history - links - logs - delete - protect)
Honestly, I don't even know why this system still exists. The {{Tl|Ifd}} tag is universally treated exactly the same as a {{Delete}} tag, and nobody ever bothers to list images on the project page. We just tag the image (usually as obsolete), and an admin comes by and deletes it. I was reminded of the project page's existence tonight when Commander Code-8 actually bothered to list an image on there, which I just deleted outright. This is the first time since November 2012—repeat, two thousand twelve—that the page has been edited. I think it's safe to say that this is no longer an officially-used process and that therefore it is not necessary to go through the formality of a CT discussion to deactivate it since it is already essentially dead. I'd be willing to get that quite a few "newer" users don't even know this page exists.
Therefore I propose to get rid of the system. In the extremely rare case that the deletion of an file is disputed, simple disagreements can be worked out on the file's talk page, and more involved discussion deserves full community consideration here in the trash compactor where it will be seen by the whole community, not just a subset of users that have the project page on their watchlist and/or happen to see it on recent changes. Given those conditions, the project page is fully obsolete. Since it has useful edit history of old discussions that people may wish to review in the future, I will propose redirecting it to Wookieepedia:Trash compactor Wookieepedia:Speedy deletions instead of outright deletion, so as to preserve the edit history.
The template, unlike the project page, is actively used, but in modern usage it serves the exact same purpose as {{Delete}} and can be replaced with {{Delete}} with no loss of useful information. Furthermore, it only serves to split the list of pages awaiting deletion between two separate categories for no real reason, making it slightly more difficult for admins to review the CSD categories. Besides, files are automatically separated from non-files on the category listings anyway, so there is no benefit to segregating them in a separate category. Furthermore, no policy mentions the template or gives any instructions for its usage; it is referenced only by the project page.
So there's your reasons for deletion. Since the template and project page have different reasons, they are listed separately. Good night.| Master Jonathan |  | Council Chambers |
| 08:28 UTC Sun | April 6, 2014 |
Wookieepedia:Images and media for deletion
Redirect to Wookieepedia:Trash compactor
As nominator.Master Jonathan Council Chambers 08:28 UTC Sun April 6, 2014 Per MJ. I don't see any reason to keep this. 1358 (Talk) 18:16, April 6, 2014 (UTC)It may be used, but I don't really see a reason we can't use the regular deletion process instead.--Exiled Jedi
(Greetings) 21:39, April 6, 2014 (UTC)
Redirect to Wookieepedia:Speedy deletions
- Forming a new section because I fail to see the reason behind the TC redirect. If you want to replace {{Tl|Ifd}} with {{Delete}}, then it would make sense to redirect Ifd's parent page to Speedy deletions. JangFett (Talk) 22:12, April 6, 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, this does make more sense.--Exiled Jedi
(Greetings) 22:15, April 6, 2014 (UTC) - Of course this makes more sense.
Master Jonathan Council Chambers 00:09 UTC Mon April 7, 2014 - Winterz (talk) 00:20, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- Do the thing we do anyway. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 14:29, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- 1358 (Talk) 14:30, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- Trip391 (talk) 17:53, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- Stake black msg 21:15, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- Cade Calrayn 22:39, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- Sure. Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 23:24, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- Manoof (talk) 02:06, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:46, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
- Supreme Emperor (talk) 13:43, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
- OLIOSTER (talk) 21:35, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
Keep
Discussion
- Originally, before I began to read, I thought the images/media for deletion page would be redirected to Wookieepedia:Speedy deletions. JangFett (Talk) 15:11, April 6, 2014 (UTC)
- I think I agree with Jang. If we're assuming that the vast majority of everything that would otherwise go through IFD is CSD material, it should be redirected to Speedy deletions rather than TC. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:12, April 6, 2014 (UTC)
- That's what happens when I try to do something like this at 4:30 in the morning. :P
Master Jonathan Council Chambers 00:09 UTC Mon April 7, 2014
- That's what happens when I try to do something like this at 4:30 in the morning. :P
- I think I agree with Jang. If we're assuming that the vast majority of everything that would otherwise go through IFD is CSD material, it should be redirected to Speedy deletions rather than TC. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:12, April 6, 2014 (UTC)
[[Template:Ifd]]
Delete
- As nominator.
Master Jonathan Council Chambers 08:28 UTC Sun April 6, 2014 - Per MJ. I don't see any reason to keep this. 1358 (Talk) 18:16, April 6, 2014 (UTC)
- Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 21:39, April 6, 2014 (UTC)
- Trip391 (talk) 17:53, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- Stake black msg 21:15, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- Cade Calrayn 22:39, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- Well since it seems redundant... Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 23:24, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- Manoof (talk) 02:06, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:46, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
- As a simple courtesy, we could probably stand to redirect it to {{Delete}} just for people who continue to use it out of force of habit. But it needs to die along with the outdated page it currently points to either way. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 12:30, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
- Once this is closed and the template deleted, I would have no objection if someone took it upon themselves to recreate it as a redirect. If I had thought of that before this many votes came in, that would have been my original proposal, but at this point it's not worth the likely outcome of a split vote.
01:41, April 10, 2014 (UTC)Master Jonathan Council Chambers 01:41 UTC Thu April 10, 2014 - I kinda figured that, hence my voting under "delete" rather than going that way. :P -- Darth Culator (Talk) 09:24, April 10, 2014 (UTC)
- Once this is closed and the template deleted, I would have no objection if someone took it upon themselves to recreate it as a redirect. If I had thought of that before this many votes came in, that would have been my original proposal, but at this point it's not worth the likely outcome of a split vote.
- Supreme Emperor (talk) 13:43, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
- Aight. Winterz (talk) 15:27, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
- OLIOSTER (talk) 21:36, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
Keep
Discussion
- They should be merged together with the default delete tag having the option of changing "page" to "image."
{{Delete|image}}or something. JangFett (Talk) 15:06, April 6, 2014 (UTC)- Exactly what purpose does that serve? The MediaWiki category system already separates files from non-files in the category listing, and at other listings like at Wookieepedia:Speedy deletions one only needs to look at whether the page name starts with "File:". There is absolutely zero benefit to distinguishing between files and non-files with special parameters or separate tags. The entire point of this is to centralize all CSD candidates in one place; you're proposing to keep them separate in some manner, which is totally unnecessary.
Master Jonathan Council Chambers 00:22 UTC Mon April 7, 2014
- Exactly what purpose does that serve? The MediaWiki category system already separates files from non-files in the category listing, and at other listings like at Wookieepedia:Speedy deletions one only needs to look at whether the page name starts with "File:". There is absolutely zero benefit to distinguishing between files and non-files with special parameters or separate tags. The entire point of this is to centralize all CSD candidates in one place; you're proposing to keep them separate in some manner, which is totally unnecessary.
General discussion
- I'm sure you already know, but MJ, no one edits the article because {{Tl|Ifd}} automatically places the file in the dynamic section. I will definitely say that it's still being used by users, such as User:Alexrd. If we do plan on merging Ifd with Delete, we should take that section and put it elsewhere. JangFett (Talk) 15:17, April 6, 2014 (UTC)
- I'm well aware of that, but that's irrelevant to my points above—or more accurately, it reinforces my point that the IFD system is completely redundant to the CSD system. The dynamic section does not need to be moved anywhere, nor should it be moved anywhere, because it will become completely and totally obsolete and will be replaced 100% with the existing CSD category and its associated listings like the dynamic section at Wookieepedia:Speedy deletions. There is no reason whatsoever that we would need to separate files from non-files, especially when the category system already separates them right on the category page and they can be easily identified on dynamic forum-style lists by the "File:" prefix.
Master Jonathan Council Chambers 00:22 UTC Mon April 7, 2014
- I'm well aware of that, but that's irrelevant to my points above—or more accurately, it reinforces my point that the IFD system is completely redundant to the CSD system. The dynamic section does not need to be moved anywhere, nor should it be moved anywhere, because it will become completely and totally obsolete and will be replaced 100% with the existing CSD category and its associated listings like the dynamic section at Wookieepedia:Speedy deletions. There is no reason whatsoever that we would need to separate files from non-files, especially when the category system already separates them right on the category page and they can be easily identified on dynamic forum-style lists by the "File:" prefix.