Forum:TC:Unidentified Wookiee-hugging Ewok

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or, if the page was deleted, in the Senate Hall rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Keep. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:06, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Unidentified Wookiee-hugging Ewok (talk - history - links - logs)

This is just one of several non-notable UI Ewok pages that were created with only a single sentence to ambiguously describe each of them. The issue here is not whether or not it is UI, so voting should not be based on the lack of a proper name. However, without proper context, there is no notability. Additionally, sourcing guidelines were not met on any of the UI Ewoks, including some with descriptions, such as "ugly-looking," "sick-looking," "chicken-headed," etc. These references were not officially identified and were subject to the interpretation of the author. If more than just a passing reference can be made (allowing for more than a single sentence description) to identify the context of the character, then the article ought to be kept. However, as it stands presently, I feel that articles such as this have too little to add to the quality of the Wookieepedia. —Gethralkin^Hyperwave 08:20, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

Delete

Keep

1. If sufficient context were added on the significance of the Rebels' introduction into the tribe and the forthcoming Battle of Endor, the article would be far more than a single-sentence description. His hugging of Chewbacca is significant enough that I'd probably redlink him if someone were FA'ing Chewie, and the variety of fur colours and accessories among the Ewoks in ROTJ is enough that giving them each their own article would be along the same lines as giving articles to background Cantina characters like Unidentified man with pig nose. Menkooroo (talk) 11:27, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
2. Any character who appears in the six films, no matter how minor, should have a place in our Wiki. The exceptions are the millions of CG-copy-paste battle droids, clones, and Wookiees from the prequels. But for the OT, this should be a non-issue. ~Savage 11:53, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
3. Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 12:58, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
4. I agree with Bob's statement. This is a Star Wars encyclopedia. We should try to include as much as possible. I've stopped making unidentified articles because I get carried away, and was told to stop, but still. I would agree that it's not necessary to have an article for every random Ewok, but at least this one's not some random background Ewok--I mean, he hugged Chewbacca, shouldn't that be notable enough? We would need to expand this article, though. A bit too short. --The Lampshade... (talk) 21:26, September 13, 2012 (UTC)Lamp774
5. This wiki needs more Chewie love. 501st dogma^(talk) 21:32, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
6. My only beef is with the name. This Ewok isn't hugging some random Wookiee; he's hugging Chewbacca! After some expansion and a rename to "Unidentified Chewbacca-hugging Ewok," this article will be just fine. Trak Nar ^{Ramble on} 21:39, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
7. JangFett ^(Talk) 22:59, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
8. Per Trak and Bob. Cade Calrayn 23:00, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
9. Not even worth a comment. Except that one. And that one. And that one. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 03:10, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
10. JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 03:12, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
11. I will go with the majority as I was on the fence pending a vote, but I still feel that the article needs more than just a single short sentence for a description. Context is a must to allow for identifying a character—especially one that is UI—in the chronology. As an encyclopedia, the WP should allow a person without sufficient knowledge (however hard to find that is) of Star Wars history the needed points of reference to place the character. Not to mention that the character might even have its own article already as pointed out below. —Gethralkin^Hyperwave 15:25, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
12. —Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 16:03, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
13. Assuming it doesn't already have an article under a different title. —MJ— ^{Training Room} Saturday, September 15, 2012, 05:57 UTC
14. I'm not just going to say "sure, why not." Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 01:07, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
15. Cumulonimbus Cloud ^{(ℳeeting ℛoom)} 21:28, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
16. grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 07:49, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Discussion

1. Are we sure it isn't an already-existing Ewok on here? Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 23:22, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

• That is a very good point, CP, and one that (in my extremely limited spare time) have been trying to find out. —Gethralkin^Hyperwave 15:15, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
  • I just checked through them all. This guy's unique as far as I can tell. ~Savage 01:19, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
    • I have not been able to find this particular Ewok anywhere else, either. In this case, it would actually be beneficial to keep if the character's context was expanded to differentiate from all other background Ewoks. —Gethralkin^Hyperwave 01:50, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
      • Be our guest! It is an encyclopedia open to be edited by anyone, after all. :) ~Savage 02:52, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
        • I was actually going to wait (unless someone else does it first) until this Tc gets archived so I could just move the article as per my suggestion below. —Gethralkin^Hyperwave 06:53, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
          • That works. But I'd suggest maybe "Unidentified white-faced Ewok" or "Unidentified black-and-white-furred Ewok" rather than simply "black-furred Ewok," as there are lots of black-furred Ewoks in ROTJ. ~Savage 12:06, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

• I would also recommend that the article be moved to Unidentified black-furred Ewok to tie the Ewok to a description of its own physical appearance rather than just to a particular event. This Ewok may appear elsewhere in the film, after all. —Gethralkin^Hyperwave 02:01, September 17, 2012 (UTC)