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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or, if the page was deleted, in the Senate Hall rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Keep. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 19:45, May 18, 2020 (UTC)

332nd Division (talk - history - links - logs - delete - protect)

This "unidentified division" is the same thing as the 332nd Company. The 332nd was its own thing. If there really was a parent division, why would the 332nd have a name but the division over it wouldn't? It seems to be the same kind of thing as the Torrent Company, which didn't have a parent division. On this StarWars.com article they refer to the clones with Ahsoka facepaint as the "332nd Company" with no mention of a division with separate companies of those clones. Which makes it clear that Sterling, Ridge, and Vaughn were definitively in the 332nd Company rather than other companies in a division which I consider to be speculation.—ComicalNinja [Talk] 18:51, May 11, 2020 (UTC)

Delete

  1. ComicalNinja [Talk] 18:49, May 11, 2020 (UTC)

Keep

  1. We do not know when the 332nd was first created. We do learn that this division was created, and then the 332nd became part of this new division. We first see the 33nd in that hangar scene, then Anakin says they will create a division, which is a different type of military unit, so the 332nd was simply placed under the new division. TL;DR: A division is different from a company, and the 332nd existed before this division was created. They are not the same unit--Editoronthewiki (talk) 18:56, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
  2. I almost voted to delete, agreeing that this is the same as the 332nd Company. But it's not. A company is part of a division. The 332nd are the troops that painted their helmets in homage to Ahsoka. There were other members of the division present on Mandalore and the Venator dispatched under Rex's command, that did not have their helmets painted orange. Those are members of the new division, but not the 332nd. - JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 18:58, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
  3. A company is 144 troopers, and we see plenty more than that on Mandalore. They belong to a larger group of the 501st Legion. RattsT (talk) 18:59, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
  4. Per above. Fan26 (Talk) 19:01, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
  5. Per the first three. Tommy-Macaroni 19:03, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
  6. Keep it. As stated above my comment, the 332nd Company has only 144 troops, whereas the division—divided from the 501st Legion which quite possibly has 9,216 troops—would have 4,608 troops, due to Anakin having divided his troops in half for the Siege and for Coruscant, and subsequently other battles. --Erebus Chronus (talk) 19:05, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
  7. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 19:20, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
  8. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 19:34, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
  9. 01miki10 Open comlink 19:35, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
  10. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 19:46, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
  11. --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 20:30, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
  12. Zed42 (talk) 01:52, May 12, 2020 (UTC)
  13. IFYLOFD (Talk) 02:06, May 12, 2020 (UTC)
  14. Ayrehead02 (talk) 20:18, May 13, 2020 (UTC)
  15. —Tomotron Revanchist Sith (Star Forge) 00:34, May 14, 2020 (UTC)
  16. 1358 (Talk) 06:03, May 14, 2020 (UTC)
  17. CIS roundel OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 13:27, May 14, 2020 (UTC)
  18. I've changed my mind. I was wrong. ComicalNinja [Talk] 15:49, May 18, 2020 (UTC)

Comments

  • At the very least, it should be stated in the articles of Ridge, Sterling, and Vaughn that they were in the 332nd Company, not just this unidentified division. —ComicalNinja [Talk] 19:15, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
    • Ridge and Vaughn, yes, since their helmets have the 332nd markings, but we never see Sterling's helmet so we can't know he's a part of the company. RattsT (talk) 19:39, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
      • I'm not sure I agree on that count. The company has 144 troops, but in the episodes Shattered in the main hangar we see a sheer number of them throughout the entire vessel, which doesn't include the clones left on Mandalore and the large number of clones that died beforehand during the Siege in the previous two episodes, with nearly all having the orange helmet markings. So I think it's better to not list that Vaughn, Ridge, and Sterling were part of the 332nd Company, when there are hundreds of clone with the same markings throughout the arc after the division's creation. It's entirely possible that the outside blogpost author could've been only referencing the company in the first hangar scene.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 20:03, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
        • Fair enough. Until a more official source weighs in there's not much we can do. RattsT (talk) 20:53, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
          • I'm switching my stance on this after trying to do a headcount. The number that I can confirm of clones who aren't counted twice and are 332nd is close to 144, so not in the hundreds like it appeared to be in.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 18:43, May 13, 2020 (UTC)
            • So let me get this straight—all clones with Tano facepaint are in the 332nd? Alright then, I'll add Ridge and Vaughn back into the article, as well as the other appearances the 332nd made. ComicalNinja [Talk] 00:25, May 14, 2020 (UTC)
              • From what I can see, other than Rex, every trooper deployed to the surface had the markings of the 332nd. In the Sterling scene, every other trooper around, dead and alive, have the markings of the 332nd. I think that alone is justification enough to list Sterling as part of the 332nd Company. Nevermind. - JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 00:42, May 14, 2020 (UTC)
  • I added this on the talk page but I'm going to add it here as per my basic reasoning and logic behind my creation of the article: "The reason this article was created was because the company (which as far as we know is identified as the 332nd Company, albeit it was named by an outside author for a blogpost on StarWars.com), already existed prior to the division's creation. First we see Ahsoka and Anakin walk into the hangar with the clone troopers and Rex, who later called the company at attention. Afterwards, Kenobi arrives at the hangar and Rex dismisses the company. After this, Anakin decides to promote Rex from Clone Captain to Clone Commander and place him in command of the new division he just created. Additionally, a company is made up of 144 clone troopers, and we see at least several hundred throughout the four episodes, both on Mandalore and the Venator-class. A third point, though I stated this in the beginning, is that the only source for the name of the 332nd Company is an outside author who wrote a blogpost for StarWars.com, and since we only know of one company that fits the description, it must be the company that we see in the hangar. Therefore, information such as Sterling and Ridge cannot be confirmed to be part of the company since we see them after the division's creation. As such, information as to how it relates to history and description of the company should actually be placed in the division article. Prior to creating the article I consulted with others on the Discord server who agreed and had no objections to this change."--Vitus InfinitusTalk 19:36, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
  • I don't know what you mean when you say that Torrent Company doesn't have a parent unit. Based on the structure and organization of the Grand Army of the Republic, a company is part of a battalion, which itself is part of a regiment and etc. The overarching parent unit of Torrent Company is the 501st Legion. The reason why we don't have an article for the battalion Torrent Company is supposed to belong to is because it is never referenced or mentioned in anyway directly.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 19:42, May 11, 2020 (UTC)