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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or, if the page was deleted, in the Senate Hall rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Delete. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 05:00, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Template:Indirect appearance ([[Talk:Template:Indirect_appearance|talk]] - history - links - logs)

This was discussed in the SH a little over a week ago, and the template creator came to me on my talk page today to ask if there was consensus for deletion. Since the SH discussion was unclear as to some people's preferences and had insufficient input anyway, I'm bringing it here so a decision can be made. I will hold my vote until I see what others have to say. —MJ— Comlink 18:29, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Delete

  1. My thoughts on it are in the SH thread. The phrase may need using sometimes, but we shouldn't have a template. Additionally, it's not always going to be something like (Fighter only), where it's a one-seater craft that is identifiable by them. What if they're just inside some other kind of ship? Is it going to be (Starship only)? That makes it seem like just their starship appearedm, and we generally have separate articles for people's ships. Actually, typing this out, (Fighter only) has the same problem. If the ship doesn't belong to them, will it be (Inside starship only)? That's like saying "he appeared inside a starship" and that speaks for itself as not specific to indirect appearances. (Voice only) and (Smell only) are fine as they are. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 18:49, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
  2. It doesn't get used as much as {{Mo}} and {{Imo}}, if at all, and when it does, {{C|Indirect appearance}} can suffice. CC7567 (talk) 19:00, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
  3. I still don't understand how something can "indirectly appear." Sure, if an X-wing flies around and we know who the pilot is, that tells us something about what that person was doing. But that's an appearance of that ship in my view, not the character. ~SavageBOB sig 20:01, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Indeed. I don't really see how this would work.—Cal JediInfinite Empire (Personal Comm Channel) 22:16, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Per CC. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:20, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
  6. So if an indirect mention is when some one is referred to but not mentioned by name, how then would an indirect appearance work? If they are appear, however obscure that appearance may be, it's an appearance, and as valid as any other; if they are obscured to the amount that we can't be sure, then it's little better than speculation, thus not an appearance. I'll switch my vote if a valid scenario where this could work is provided, as it is I can't see it. Alexsau1991 (talk page) SithEmblemAlternate-Traced-TORkit 23:07, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
    • We know that Tobb Jadak was inside the Millennium Falcon in Revenge of the Sith. Was he mentioned or on screen? No, but we know that he was in that ship during its glorious cameo. That's the kind of thing this is for and it's very rare. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 03:12, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Per Bob.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 23:08, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
  8. I'm inclined to agree. Corellian PremierRobotechAll along the watchtower 01:14, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
  9. I agree with Bob <-Omicron(Leave a message at the BEEP!) 01:19, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Per CC JangFett (Talk) 01:40, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
  11. At the risk of being repetitive, per CC. - JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 01:45, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Per Alexsau1991. —MJ— Comlink 01:59, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Although (Fighter only) has merit. Menkooroo (talk) 03:17, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
  14. 1358 (Talk) 14:20, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Green Tentacle (Talk) 11:31, October 27, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Per Savage. Winterz (talk) 22:46, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

Keep

  1. I have to vote keep, not just as creator of the template, but because I have seen Indirect Appearance listed on many characters appearances list. One for instance is the Jedi Corran Horn seeing how he has indirectly appeared in many books, comics, and a few games. DarthRevan1173 Revan Headshot (Long live Lord Revan) 18:50, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

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