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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or, if the page was deleted, in the Senate Hall rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete all. 1358 (Talk) 20:37, June 28, 2016 (UTC) This discussion is for Phoenix Squadron pilots who play no significant roles in the episodes in which they appear. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:20, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

Phoenix Two (Siege of Lothal) (history - links - logs - delete - protect)

This character was only mentioned in Star Wars Rebels: The Siege of Lothal through dialogue from another character. She/he plays no significant role in the episode. Thinking in terms of the recently-adopted notability guidelines for battle droids, which are a good comparison for Phoenix pilots, this does not warrant an article and can instead be incorporated into the Phoenix Two callsign article. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:20, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

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  2. Ah, yes. I should start on those TCs, too. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 15:22, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
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  • Isn't the difference between these pilots and the battle droids the fact that the pilots are actually identified via call signs whereas the battle droids are never given titles of any sort? The fact that hey have call signs I think should perhaps be notable enough, as they have a clearly identified role and handle. Overall, there doesn't seem to be much of a difference between "Phoenix X" and other kinds of nicknames. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 21:55, April 2, 2016 (UTC)
    • "Phoenix Two (Siege of Lothal)" is arguably not that different than "Unidentified battle droid (Geonosis)" or whatever a battle droid name may be. But the bigger idea at play here is actual notability, aka was the role that this individual played in the episode significant in any way? These people are just cannon fodder who provide nothing meaningful to the episode. Much like most battle droids. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:01, April 2, 2016 (UTC)
      • Yes, but unlike battle droids the pilots have actual titles and call signs, as opposed to being completely nameless. "Phoenix Two" is a name of sorts. "Unidentified" anything is a mere description. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 22:11, April 2, 2016 (UTC)
        • That doesn't make them notable, hence this discussion to determine whether they are or are not. So I would ask you, beyond the fact that these articles have call signs (which aren't actually names, and the rebellion clearly goes through people named Phoenix Two like candy), why are they notable enough for articles? - Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:12, April 2, 2016 (UTC)
          • Because they have something to identify with that does not make them "Unidentified." They are "identified" to an extent, which is arguably enough to make them notable. Fodder they may be, but unidentified they are not. Hence notable solely for the fact that they are not completely unidentified members of the rebellion. That's the extent of my reasoning, but if no one thinks there's anything viable in these statements, I won't vote against anything. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 22:21, April 2, 2016 (UTC)
            • However, perhaps, using your example, it'd be easier to have a page called "Phoenix Two" which encompasses all holders of the title and go into their details in one page. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 22:26, April 2, 2016 (UTC)

Phoenix Two (Ibaar) (history - links - logs - delete - protect)

This character briefly appears in Wings of the Master. Although voiced by series producer Dave Filoni, this character's sole purpose is to say there are incoming TIE fighters. He plays no significant role in the episode. Thinking in terms of the recently-adopted notability guidelines for battle droids, which are a good comparison for Phoenix pilots, this does not warrant an article and can instead be incorporated into the Phoenix Two callsign article. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:20, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

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  1. Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:20, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  2. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 15:22, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  3. Cevan IMPpress (talk) 15:41, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  4. Cwedin(talk) 16:39, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  5. Nivlacanator(talk) 22:05, April 2, 2016 (UTC)
  6. LoLuX12 (talk) 17:27, April 11, 2016 (UTC)
  7. Asithol (talk) 18:59, April 15, 2016 (UTC)
  8. CC7567 (talk) 21:14, April 15, 2016 (UTC)
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Phoenix Two (Concord Dawn) (history - links - logs - delete - protect)

This character appears briefly in The Protector of Concord Dawn. Although voiced by series star Steve Blum, the character is merely one of many starfighter pilots who play a background role to Hera and Sabine in their fight against the Protectors. Thinking in terms of the recently-adopted notability guidelines for battle droids, which are a good comparison for Phoenix pilots, this does not warrant an article and can instead be incorporated into the Phoenix Two callsign article. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:20, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

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  1. Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:20, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  2. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 15:22, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  3. Cevan IMPpress (talk) 15:41, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  4. Cwedin(talk) 16:39, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  5. Nivlacanator(talk) 22:05, April 2, 2016 (UTC)
  6. LoLuX12 (talk) 17:27, April 11, 2016 (UTC)
  7. Asithol (talk) 18:59, April 15, 2016 (UTC)
  8. CC7567 (talk) 21:14, April 15, 2016 (UTC)
  9. 1358 (Talk) 23:07, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
  10. Supreme Emperor (talk) 23:35, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

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Phoenix Three (Concord Dawn) (history - links - logs - delete - protect)

This character appears briefly in The Protector of Concord Dawn. Although voiced by series producer Dave Filoni, his only line of dialogue is "I'm hit!" just before dying. He plays no significant role in the episode. Thinking in terms of the recently-adopted notability guidelines for battle droids, which are a good comparison for Phoenix pilots, this does not warrant an article and can instead be incorporated into the Phoenix Three callsign article. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:20, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

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  1. Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:20, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  2. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 15:22, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  3. Cevan IMPpress (talk) 15:41, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  4. Cwedin(talk) 16:39, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  5. Nivlacanator(talk) 22:05, April 2, 2016 (UTC)
  6. LoLuX12 (talk) 17:27, April 11, 2016 (UTC)
  7. Asithol (talk) 18:59, April 15, 2016 (UTC)
  8. CC7567 (talk) 21:14, April 15, 2016 (UTC)
  9. 1358 (Talk) 23:07, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
  10. Supreme Emperor (talk) 23:35, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

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Phoenix Four (Concord Dawn) (history - links - logs - delete - protect)

This character appears briefly in The Protector of Concord Dawn. Although voiced by series star Vanessa Marshall, she has no line of dialogue other than a scream when she is being shot down. She plays no significant role in the episode. Thinking in terms of the recently-adopted notability guidelines for battle droids, which are a good comparison for Phoenix pilots, this does not warrant an article and can instead be incorporated into the Phoenix Four callsign article. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:20, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

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  1. Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:20, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  2. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 15:22, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  3. Cevan IMPpress (talk) 15:41, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  4. Cwedin(talk) 16:39, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  5. Nivlacanator(talk) 22:05, April 2, 2016 (UTC)
  6. LoLuX12 (talk) 17:27, April 11, 2016 (UTC)
  7. Asithol (talk) 18:59, April 15, 2016 (UTC)
  8. CC7567 (talk) 21:14, April 15, 2016 (UTC)
  9. 1358 (Talk) 23:07, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
  10. Supreme Emperor (talk) 23:35, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

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Phoenix Two (female) (history - links - logs - delete - protect)

This character, voiced by Cat Taber, appears briefly in Homecoming. Her only role in the episode is attempting to dock during a firefight and being shot down, with only two lines of dialogue. Although this is one of the events that show the rebels they need bigger ships for Phoenix Squadron to call home, this character in and of herself does not play a significant role in the episode.

It is also worth noting that the battle itself isn't even notable enough for an article. We don't know the location, and it was a quick supply/run skirmish, hence why the article seemingly doesn't have any other way of differentiating her except to put "female" in parentheses.

Thinking in terms of the recently-adopted notability guidelines for battle droids, which are a good comparison for Phoenix pilots, this does not warrant an article and can instead be incorporated into the Phoenix Two callsign article. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:20, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

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  1. Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:20, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  2. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 15:22, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  3. Cevan IMPpress (talk) 15:41, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  4. Cwedin(talk) 16:39, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  5. Nivlacanator(talk) 22:05, April 2, 2016 (UTC)
  6. LoLuX12 (talk) 17:27, April 11, 2016 (UTC)
  7. Asithol (talk) 18:59, April 15, 2016 (UTC)
  8. CC7567 (talk) 21:14, April 15, 2016 (UTC)
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Phoenix Three (A Day's Duty) (history - links - logs - delete - protect)

This character page originates from the comic A Day's Duty. The character has no dialogue, we can't see the character, and it is just mentioned in someone else's dialogue, who says Phoenix Three has been shot down. The character plays no notable role in the episode. Thinking in terms of the recently-adopted notability guidelines for battle droids, which are a good comparison for Phoenix pilots, this does not warrant an article and can instead be incorporated into the Phoenix Three callsign article. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:20, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

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  1. Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:20, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  2. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 15:22, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  3. Cevan IMPpress (talk) 15:41, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  4. Cwedin(talk) 16:39, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  5. Nivlacanator(talk) 22:05, April 2, 2016 (UTC)
  6. LoLuX12 (talk) 17:27, April 11, 2016 (UTC)
  7. Asithol (talk) 18:59, April 15, 2016 (UTC)
  8. CC7567 (talk) 21:14, April 15, 2016 (UTC)
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